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Undaunted leveling change
XaXa
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So now that Alliance war skills are handed out like candy to PVErs. Are their any plans to give PVPers the undaunted skill line in a similar fashion?
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Because it's already super easy to level Undaunted?@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion5 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
How come?
Everyone, save for the odd sot, is AD, on EU PC.
Every time I enter Cyrodiil, it's HEAVILY yellow dominated.
My 2 alts, one in each other faction, can't move an inch there without being killed.
Questing there is IMPOSSIBLE, since deep in enemy territory.
The two other sides are extremely disadvantaged.
Hmm, maybe, they should give the weak factions 6 hours a day Godmode, so they can finally compete? XDEarthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
XaXa✭✭✭✭Idk. I dont have a problem with PVE as i enjoy occasionally running vwgt and vicp.
I guess im just salty cause im leveling an alt now who i intend to be my pvp main.
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭Are the Undaunted skills useful in PVP? They did not seem to be, when I was fooling around with them, although I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at PVP.Why be normal when you can be better?
Elissandra Ravenwing, Magicka Dragonknight Healer
Lady Kalila, Stamina Templar DPS
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XaXa✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »Are the Undaunted skills useful in PVP? They did not seem to be, when I was fooling around with them, although I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at PVP.
The active skills not so much. All about dem passives.3 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I dont think it will change. Outside of leveling undaunted what reason do you have to do a dungeon. It isnt like you are going to get a set with decent traits to drop.
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✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »Are the Undaunted skills useful in PVP? They did not seem to be, when I was fooling around with them, although I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at PVP.
Not the skills are useful, but the passives.Because it's already super easy to level Undaunted?
Stupid statement. It's the same as me saying it was super easy to level the Alliance War skills before the reduction. It's subjective.
And yes, after reducing the AP needed to get the Alliance War skills to 1/7 of its original amount (while also doubling AP gain), it would be only fair to reduce the amount for Undaunted or let at least the kill quest give undaunted exp (like 15 or 20 points) as well.
Susano'o
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »Are the Undaunted skills useful in PVP? They did not seem to be, when I was fooling around with them, although I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at PVP.
The active skills not so much. All about dem passives.
True! I will admit I forget about those when not talking about my build.
And unlike the PVP, they're only available after all the skills are unlocked.
Undaunted takes a little while, but it's fairly easy if you have at least one good person to group with. If you are on Xbox NA, I can help?Why be normal when you can be better?
Elissandra Ravenwing, Magicka Dragonknight Healer
Lady Kalila, Stamina Templar DPS
Stands-in-Danger, Nightblade Saptank
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MickeyBN✭✭✭✭I can see where Xaxa is coming from. Personally it doesn't bother me that much and I'm a PvPer. I decided a long time ago that doing countless pledges and the headaches of dungeon achievements wasn't worth the 6% stat increase from Mettle.Vaelerys Nightborn - Bosmer Nightblade PC NA1 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZoS just have to move the passives to be available at rank 5 as they did with Vigor.Because I can!2 -
magnusthorek✭✭✭✭✭
✭You do a few dungeons and finish the stupidly easy PvE delves and public dungeons and not only you'll get a nice XP but also stuff to convert into gold.
Even with the changes, personally, I don't think that easy to get Magicka Detonation yet.I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.1 -
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Cause you are a PvE player. The big issue is when you have to level 2-3 different characters and you are not so into PvE.magnusthorek wrote: »Even with the changes, personally, I don't think that easy to get Magicka Detonation yet.
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Not entirely tru, but true enough; And the same can be applied to yourself (or for other PvP players for what matters, if you're not fan of PvP)[Cause you are a PvE player. The big issue is when you have to level 2-3 different characters and you are not so into PvE.
The point is that getting Assault skills still harder and not fully rewarding for PvE players, SPECIALLY for multiple characters because:
1) There are not very much PvP guilds out there
2) Of those out there, very few will match specific timezones (my case)
3) Except for the skills, you get APs to buy outdated items that almost nobody buy or motifs that don't sell well due the monstrous gold/AP conversion
4) The grow progression is much bigger than Undaunted's and the only way to get it is killing players (or repairing keeps, for a very small amount), while Undaunted let you finish ANY delve/public dungeon/group dungeon (and if pledge, a key for more reward) and they pay "equally", in matter of skill progression, as there A LOT more achievements related to them, and you grow up Undaunted for each one you complete
I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.0 -
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You'll reach max level at level 50, which means you won't have to grind your way up to VR16 anymore. Furthermore, you'll be able to equip CP160 gear right away, which means dungeons should be completed faster.So now that Alliance war skills are handed out like candy to PVErs. Are their any plans to give PVPers the undaunted skill line in a similar fashion?
Then if you want to minimize the number of dungeons you do, just complete the quests at the same time you're doing the normal and veteran pledges.Zeerok (the sneaky ruffian) - LV50 Bosmer stamblade DPS (AD)
Gontrand de Bourbon (the greedy aristocrat) - LV50 Breton magsorc tank (DC)
Augustus Aquilarios (the imperial claimant) - LV50 Imperial stamDK PvP (EP)
Zeerokk (the AD zealot) - LV50 Altmer magblade PvP (AD)
Lianna Storm (the inferno maiden) - LV50 Dunmer magDK DPS (EP)
Fights-With-Khajiit (the gullible faithful) - LV5 Argonian templar (EP)
Miner'va (the skooma addict) - LV3 Khajiit sorcerer (AD) - chaotic neutral
Siggy Thorvaldsson (the charismatic baroness) - LV50 Nord stamwarden tank (DC)0 -
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Dont get me wrong. I dont want PvE players to grind AP for skills. Give them these skills if they dont enjoy PvP. I just dont want to waste so much time to level undaunted to 9 to get the passives as I am going to use this character only for PvP. Especially now with the VR removal, I dont even need the XP anymore.magnusthorek wrote: »
Not entirely tru, but true enough; And the same can be applied to yourself (or for other PvP players for what matters, if you're not fan of PvP)[Cause you are a PvE player. The big issue is when you have to level 2-3 different characters and you are not so into PvE.
The point is that getting Assault skills still harder and not fully rewarding for PvE players, SPECIALLY for multiple characters because:
1) There are not very much PvP guilds out there
2) Of those out there, very few will match specific timezones (my case)
3) Except for the skills, you get APs to buy outdated items that almost nobody buy or motifs that don't sell well due the monstrous gold/AP conversion
4) The grow progression is much bigger than Undaunted's and the only way to get it is killing players (or repairing keeps, for a very small amount), while Undaunted let you finish ANY delve/public dungeon/group dungeon (and if pledge, a key for more reward) and they pay "equally", in matter of skill progression, as there A LOT more achievements related to them, and you grow up Undaunted for each one you completeBecause I can!1 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭leveling undaunted from 1 to 5>>>
get group that has time for 5h.
do each dungeon thats part of the speed run achi and the one where you need to finish the dungeon with special requirement.
its 8 dungeon. you get 3 achi per dungeon if you do speedrun + the special requirement, when you unlock the speedrun+special requirement achi, which means 2 more achi, thats 26 achi.
this part takes about 2-3h with solid good team.
After this. run city of ash veteran mode> collect the deadly pie, undaunted savior achi, and finish the dungeon on hardmode, you get 4 achi in total. then run the dungeon again, do speedrun achi.
about 1h goes into this.
Do city of ash 5 times more if you want to unlock 3 more achi.
32 very easily gotten achi if you scale dungeons to vr 1 or if you want loot, then scale to vr 16
also the buy drink for undaunted members in each city, that gives you quite lots of points. Ah yes i forgot, when you do the daily gold and silver, you get 15 undaunted points. in one day, in 5-7h you get undaunted to lv 6-7.
After this. repeat all those 8 dungeon each 5-8 times and you get 12 other achi. wayrest, and spindle, both take with skipping about 11-12min. fungal grotto, and dark shade takes the longest to complete the achi, but all done easily in 1 week. with just playing about 5h per day.
10 days doing dailies will get you 150 points which is almost one undaunted rank.
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leveling undaunted from 1 to 5>>>
get group that has time for 5h.
do each dungeon thats part of the speed run achi and the one where you need to finish the dungeon with special requirement.
its 8 dungeon. you get 3 achi per dungeon if you do speedrun + the special requirement, when you unlock the speedrun+special requirement achi, which means 2 more achi, thats 26 achi.
this part takes about 2-3h with solid good team.
After this. run city of ash veteran mode> collect the deadly pie, undaunted savior achi, and finish the dungeon on hardmode, you get 4 achi in total. then run the dungeon again, do speedrun achi.
about 1h goes into this.
Do city of ash 5 times more if you want to unlock 3 more achi.
32 very easily gotten achi if you scale dungeons to vr 1 or if you want loot, then scale to vr 16
also the buy drink for undaunted members in each city, that gives you quite lots of points. Ah yes i forgot, when you do the daily gold and silver, you get 15 undaunted points. in one day, in 5-7h you get undaunted to lv 6-7.
After this. repeat all those 8 dungeon each 5-8 times and you get 12 other achi. wayrest, and spindle, both take with skipping about 11-12min. fungal grotto, and dark shade takes the longest to complete the achi, but all done easily in 1 week. with just playing about 5h per day.
10 days doing dailies will get you 150 points which is almost one undaunted rank.
Im not sure which point you are trying to make here. But It might not be the one you think it is.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »Are the Undaunted skills useful in PVP? They did not seem to be, when I was fooling around with them, although I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert at PVP.
The active skills not so much. All about dem passives.
True that the Passives are a requirement for any character to be reasonably effective with damage,healing or tanking.
Still not all that troubling to level up undaunted.0 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭i was trying to point out that leveling undaunted is very easy and fast. and not too painful journey. while to some folks before the ap farming was real pain. now its stupidly easy, but what i dont like at all is that pvp skils are actively used in pve and pve folks claim that those skills belong to them only.
Expecially one of the shittiest skills in game, detonation. second good choise is caltrops as in the toxicity involved in those 2 skills is amazing.
ANYWAY, my point of my wall of text was that getting undaunted from lv 1 to 9 is easy and takes from few days to wee over 1 week.
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holosoul✭✭✭✭10 days doing dailies will get you 150 points which is almost one undaunted rank.
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what?
I got proxy det in like 3 RL days and I'm not even hardcore
although I hate PVE so I can't be bothered to even get molag kena shoulders which I WANT REALLY BADLY
and you have the nerve to say 100 days to get a 6% passive is balanced PVE vs PVP?
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Inklings✭✭✭✭✭There is no need for any change. In fact it should be harder to level. As it stands now all u need to do is have a friend or a second account with a level three character set the silver pledge for u and you get 10 rep and a blue key in 5 mins worth of work. Next patch that blue key will almost always get you a shoulder piece as well. This system is soooo much easier and more rewarding then the Pvp skill line grind even after its Nerf.0 -
undaunted passives are what u want. from undaunted 9. if u care to level ur undaunted I can help. msg JCJones12 on xbox if youre on the same platform
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