Give me an example of why creating bags are pay to win?

hydrocynus · May 2016

Is amazing how we all want to fight with each other when we are all saying the same thing.

SlayerTheDragon · May 2016

Let's put this topic in the bag now.

Gidorick · May 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Let's put this topic in the bag now.

I completely agree @SlayerTheDragon ... but you need to be an ESO+ subscriber to do that.

JD2013 · May 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Let's put this topic in the bag now.

We can put this topic and all the others in my crafting bag as I will have soooooo much room come May 31st??

SlayerTheDragon · May 2016

I am almost missing the Teabag forums...

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said on other posts. Move along, folks.

@Sunburnt_Penguin therefore no one has answered this question in other threads because there is no valid answer.

Conclusion: crafting bags give no advantage and so I agree. Get over it people and move on.

You create a post asking a question to which there's "no valid answer" and you tell people to "get over it and move on".

Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes I Do. Because I know there is no answer to the question. That is why I asked it.

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You obviously don't see the irony.

Here's the chain of events, you:
1. Create a thread and ask multiple questions
2. Say that "there is no valid answer"
3. Tell people to "get over it and move on"
4. Admit that you asked a question to which there's no answer.

So in order to help you out; the irony is that 1. completely contradicts 3.

Here's what you should have done:
1. Not create a thread to further incite a discussion in which you want people to "get over it and move on"
2. Reply to those people in the existing threads that claim it's P2W simply asking "why is it P2W?" and then give your opinion on why you don't think it is.

Tommy1979AtWar · May 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said on other posts. Move along, folks.

@Sunburnt_Penguin therefore no one has answered this question in other threads because there is no valid answer.

Conclusion: crafting bags give no advantage and so I agree. Get over it people and move on.

You create a post asking a question to which there's "no valid answer" and you tell people to "get over it and move on".

Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes I Do. Because I know there is no answer to the question. That is why I asked it.

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You obviously don't see the irony.

Here's the chain of events, you:
1. Create a thread and ask multiple questions
2. Say that "there is no valid answer"
3. Tell people to "get over it and move on"
4. Admit that you asked a question to which there's no answer.

So in order to help you out; the irony is that 1. completely contradicts 3.

Here's what you should have done:
1. Not create a thread to further incite a discussion in which you want people to "get over it and move on"
2. Reply to those people in the existing threads that claim it's P2W simply asking "why is it P2W?" and then give your opinion on why you don't think it is.

Don't be mean Regina, it's not fair to enter a discussion with logic and reasoning on your side

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Aisle9 · May 2016

The Ideal Masters called, they want Arvak back

Palidon · May 2016

Crafting Bags are not Pay to Win. They are a reward for those players who pay a subscription and it's about time we got something worth the money we pay to subscribe. However, on the flip side, those players who do not subscribe should of had the option to purchase the Crafting Bags via the crown store.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said on other posts. Move along, folks.

@Sunburnt_Penguin therefore no one has answered this question in other threads because there is no valid answer.

Conclusion: crafting bags give no advantage and so I agree. Get over it people and move on.

You create a post asking a question to which there's "no valid answer" and you tell people to "get over it and move on".

Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes I Do. Because I know there is no answer to the question. That is why I asked it.

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O
L

You obviously don't see the irony.

Here's the chain of events, you:
1. Create a thread and ask multiple questions
2. Say that "there is no valid answer"
3. Tell people to "get over it and move on"
4. Admit that you asked a question to which there's no answer.

So in order to help you out; the irony is that 1. completely contradicts 3.

Here's what you should have done:
1. Not create a thread to further incite a discussion in which you want people to "get over it and move on"
2. Reply to those people in the existing threads that claim it's P2W simply asking "why is it P2W?" and then give your opinion on why you don't think it is.

Don't be mean Regina, it's not fair to enter a discussion with logic and reasoning on your side .

But it's so fetch.

Volkodav · May 2016

I cant find one reason why those bags are P2W.

Skitttles · May 2016

Easy, you PAY zose your hard earned cash for something of no real life value. They WIN. P2W derp

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

This is one of the unfortunate sides of the P2W term. It gets thrown around even when it does not apply.

Volkodav · May 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

This is one of the unfortunate sides of the P2W term. It gets thrown around even when it does not apply.

Agreed.

Skitttles wrote: »

Easy, you PAY zose your hard earned cash for something of no real life value. They WIN. P2W derp

Not what P2W is. Derp.

hydrocynus · May 2016

Is amazing how we all want to fight with each other when we are all saying the same thing.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said on other posts. Move along, folks.

@Sunburnt_Penguin therefore no one has answered this question in other threads because there is no valid answer.

Conclusion: crafting bags give no advantage and so I agree. Get over it people and move on.

You create a post asking a question to which there's "no valid answer" and you tell people to "get over it and move on".

Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes I Do. Because I know there is no answer to the question. That is why I asked it.

L O L
O
L

You obviously don't see the irony.

Here's the chain of events, you:
1. Create a thread and ask multiple questions
2. Say that "there is no valid answer"
3. Tell people to "get over it and move on"
4. Admit that you asked a question to which there's no answer.

So in order to help you out; the irony is that 1. completely contradicts 3.

Here's what you should have done:
1. Not create a thread to further incite a discussion in which you want people to "get over it and move on"
2. Reply to those people in the existing threads that claim it's P2W simply asking "why is it P2W?" and then give your opinion on why you don't think it is.

Why are you arguing with me when you are saying the same thing as me?

kevlarto_ESO · May 2016

Woot then I am finally going to win something, as I will have this bag and all it's winning glory, what exactly is the prize ?

Really crafting bag is not P2W and there is no rational explanation that could convince me they are in any stretch of the imagination.

I do think there will an impact on the availability of recourses in the world after the bag launch.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Is amazing how we all want to fight with each other when we are all saying the same thing.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said on other posts. Move along, folks.

@Sunburnt_Penguin therefore no one has answered this question in other threads because there is no valid answer.

Conclusion: crafting bags give no advantage and so I agree. Get over it people and move on.

You create a post asking a question to which there's "no valid answer" and you tell people to "get over it and move on".

Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes I Do. Because I know there is no answer to the question. That is why I asked it.

L O L
O
L

You obviously don't see the irony.

Here's the chain of events, you:
1. Create a thread and ask multiple questions
2. Say that "there is no valid answer"
3. Tell people to "get over it and move on"
4. Admit that you asked a question to which there's no answer.

So in order to help you out; the irony is that 1. completely contradicts 3.

Here's what you should have done:
1. Not create a thread to further incite a discussion in which you want people to "get over it and move on"
2. Reply to those people in the existing threads that claim it's P2W simply asking "why is it P2W?" and then give your opinion on why you don't think it is.

Why are you arguing with me when you are saying the same thing as me?

Where did I say the same thing as you?

Lucius_Aelius · May 2016

Who even said they were pay to win? I've read about (and said) a fair amount of criticism about their implementation, but that's a new one to me. They're a Game-changer for sure, in a big way, but you can get by without them and still be competitive, it just takes more work. Therefore, not pay to win.

The legitimate complaint is that it's not fair to non-subscribers, and as much as subscribing needed a boost to make it worthwhile, this was way too much and is something that absolutely shouldn't be exclusive, but rather offered for sale in the Crown Store as well. I'm all for making ESO+ worth the money, but you can't just give Subscribers any random perk and say it's fair just because they don't get enough. In this case it's absolutely not fair in the slightest, crafting bags may not be necessary to play but they will fundamentally alter the way people who have them play significantly for the better and anyone willing to pay (with either payment model) deserves to have them, and they should find a way to give ESO+ members a bonus that doesn't screw over anyone who pays for DLC's outright.

hydrocynus · May 2016

That this whole thing is ironic sweetie pie.

But you are right. We do disagree to an extent.

The fact that there is no valid answer to support why people are calling creating bags P2W supports my request for people to get over it.

Perhaps I should define "it" because I think that is where you are getting confused. "It" refers to people calling crafting bags P2W.

If there is no reason then they most get over it? How does your logic find that contradictory?

Further to answer your question wrt the intention of a new thread, I have no interest whatsoever in discussing who should get crafting bags and who wouldn't because as many have said that discussion is raging elsewhere. All I am interested in is those that claim it to be P2W should explain why they say that and the majority of answers to this thread are ones of agreement that it is not so those arguing it is in the other threads should stop and get over it

Actually I have to concede to you completely. We disagree on the whole thing. Carry on to argue please.

hydrocynus · May 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Who even said they were pay to win? I've read about (and said) a fair amount of criticism about their implementation, but that's a new one to me. They're a Game-changer for sure, in a big way, but you can get by without them and still be competitive, it just takes more work. Therefore, not pay to win.

The legitimate complaint is that it's not fair to non-subscribers, and as much as subscribing needed a boost to make it worthwhile, this was way too much and is something that absolutely shouldn't be exclusive, but rather offered for sale in the Crown Store as well. I'm all for making ESO+ worth the money, but you can't just give Subscribers any random perk and say it's fair just because they don't get enough. In this case it's absolutely not fair in the slightest, crafting bags may not be necessary to play but they will fundamentally alter the way people who have them play significantly for the better and anyone willing to pay (with either payment model) deserves to have them, and they should find a way to give ESO+ members a bonus that doesn't screw over anyone who pays for DLC's outright.

I don't care about your plight to get crafting bags. You have your own threads to discuss that. This thread is not about that. Go away.

Molag_Crow · May 2016

I'm usually the one to call 'Pay to Win' when it's obvious, *cough* See BnS *cough* but crafting bags being called 'pay to win'? ....

Bags, that crafting materials go in, is pay to win? ...

Anyway, I am pretty pleased with crafting bags being ESO plus exclusive, because what has put me off; is having a full bank and almost full inventory full of mainly crafting materials so I had to sell/dump a lot of them just to make enough room to send gear to my alt character.... but sure I wouldn't mind if they brought out a much weaker/limited crafting bag for free players at a gold/crown cost or something.

Lucius_Aelius · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Who even said they were pay to win? I've read about (and said) a fair amount of criticism about their implementation, but that's a new one to me. They're a Game-changer for sure, in a big way, but you can get by without them and still be competitive, it just takes more work. Therefore, not pay to win.

The legitimate complaint is that it's not fair to non-subscribers, and as much as subscribing needed a boost to make it worthwhile, this was way too much and is something that absolutely shouldn't be exclusive, but rather offered for sale in the Crown Store as well. I'm all for making ESO+ worth the money, but you can't just give Subscribers any random perk and say it's fair just because they don't get enough. In this case it's absolutely not fair in the slightest, crafting bags may not be necessary to play but they will fundamentally alter the way people who have them play significantly for the better and anyone willing to pay (with either payment model) deserves to have them, and they should find a way to give ESO+ members a bonus that doesn't screw over anyone who pays for DLC's outright.

I don't care about your plight to get crafting bags. You have your own threads to discuss that. This thread is not about that. Go away.

Wow, so I agree with you that they're not pay to win, but I add one paragraph about the other stuff and you respond by being a total ***? Some people.

hydrocynus · May 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Who even said they were pay to win? I've read about (and said) a fair amount of criticism about their implementation, but that's a new one to me. They're a Game-changer for sure, in a big way, but you can get by without them and still be competitive, it just takes more work. Therefore, not pay to win.

The legitimate complaint is that it's not fair to non-subscribers, and as much as subscribing needed a boost to make it worthwhile, this was way too much and is something that absolutely shouldn't be exclusive, but rather offered for sale in the Crown Store as well. I'm all for making ESO+ worth the money, but you can't just give Subscribers any random perk and say it's fair just because they don't get enough. In this case it's absolutely not fair in the slightest, crafting bags may not be necessary to play but they will fundamentally alter the way people who have them play significantly for the better and anyone willing to pay (with either payment model) deserves to have them, and they should find a way to give ESO+ members a bonus that doesn't screw over anyone who pays for DLC's outright.

I don't care about your plight to get crafting bags. You have your own threads to discuss that. This thread is not about that. Go away.

Wow, so I agree with you that they're not pay to win, but I add one paragraph about the other stuff and you respond by being a total ***? Some people.

Because otherwise that penguin chick is gonna start shouting at me again for starting a new thread about the same thing.

No hard feelings dude. I am getting it from all sides.

Lucius_Aelius · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Who even said they were pay to win? I've read about (and said) a fair amount of criticism about their implementation, but that's a new one to me. They're a Game-changer for sure, in a big way, but you can get by without them and still be competitive, it just takes more work. Therefore, not pay to win.

The legitimate complaint is that it's not fair to non-subscribers, and as much as subscribing needed a boost to make it worthwhile, this was way too much and is something that absolutely shouldn't be exclusive, but rather offered for sale in the Crown Store as well. I'm all for making ESO+ worth the money, but you can't just give Subscribers any random perk and say it's fair just because they don't get enough. In this case it's absolutely not fair in the slightest, crafting bags may not be necessary to play but they will fundamentally alter the way people who have them play significantly for the better and anyone willing to pay (with either payment model) deserves to have them, and they should find a way to give ESO+ members a bonus that doesn't screw over anyone who pays for DLC's outright.

I don't care about your plight to get crafting bags. You have your own threads to discuss that. This thread is not about that. Go away.

Wow, so I agree with you that they're not pay to win, but I add one paragraph about the other stuff and you respond by being a total ***? Some people.

Because otherwise that penguin chick is gonna start shouting at me again for starting a new thread about the same thing.

No hard feelings dude. I am getting it from all sides.

Oh, okay fine fair enough, didn't realize that was your motivation.

Tommy1979AtWar · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

That this whole thing is ironic sweetie pie.

But you are right. We do disagree to an extent.

The fact that there is no valid answer to support why people are calling creating bags P2W supports my request for people to get over it.

Perhaps I should define "it" because I think that is where you are getting confused. "It" refers to people calling crafting bags P2W.

If there is no reason then they most get over it? How does your logic find that contradictory?

Further to answer your question wrt the intention of a new thread, I have no interest whatsoever in discussing who should get crafting bags and who wouldn't because as many have said that discussion is raging elsewhere. All I am interested in is those that claim it to be P2W should explain why they say that and the majority of answers to this thread are ones of agreement that it is not so those arguing it is in the other threads should stop and get over it

Actually I have to concede to you completely. We disagree on the whole thing. Carry on to argue please.

You're the only person referring to them as p2w and asking people how they're p2w... I've not seen anyone say they're p2w.
I dunno if you even know what p2w means tbh as I had to explain b2p to you earlier.

hydrocynus · May 2016

Yes Tom I did respond to your thread in error as I mistook you saying P2W when you said B2P. It was a kneejerk reaction which I acknowledged in that thread.

However that is not what sparked this thread (you will see my response to you in that thread was after this thread started)

If you look a few pages before you will see a heated discussion between @Personofsecrets and some other cat that clearly states how he feels this is another step towards pay to win. That is what started this thread.

You I misunderstood but i still think your Jesus Meme is awesome.

Easily_Lost · May 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Soon there will be no other conversations on this forum except for the bag. People complain about the bag, and other people feel the need to complain about those that complain about the bag, and here I am complaining of those that complain about those that complain about the bag!!! :'(

Amen

Tommy1979AtWar · May 2016

ahh I wasn't around to see that, yeah it's not p2w atm I agree.
Tbh it wouldn't even make sense for it to become p2w in the future either if everything keeps getting nerfed the way it has been lately, there are very few challenging aspects of the game left.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

That this whole thing is ironic sweetie pie.

But you are right. We do disagree to an extent.

The fact that there is no valid answer to support why people are calling creating bags P2W supports my request for people to get over it.

Perhaps I should define "it" because I think that is where you are getting confused. "It" refers to people calling crafting bags P2W.

If there is no reason then they most get over it? How does your logic find that contradictory?

Further to answer your question wrt the intention of a new thread, I have no interest whatsoever in discussing who should get crafting bags and who wouldn't because as many have said that discussion is raging elsewhere. All I am interested in is those that claim it to be P2W should explain why they say that and the majority of answers to this thread are ones of agreement that it is not so those arguing it is in the other threads should stop and get over it

Actually I have to concede to you completely. We disagree on the whole thing. Carry on to argue please.

You have obviously seen one or more people commenting on it being P2W in other threads so my point is that you should have replied to them if you wanted answers because as far as I've seen (and also demonstrated by this post) those views are extremely limited in numbers.

For example: if I'm in a thread about "Is it weird that the Earth has lots of water?" and out of 100+ replies I see one person that says: "the Earth is flat nub". I'm not going to create a new thread saying "How is the Earth flat?" hoping that the person sees it and knowing full well that it's not flat and there's no logical discussion to be had. I'll simply either ignore that reply or reply back to them asking their reasons to which i'll rebuttal.

Anyway, I've said all I can and this discussion revolving around ir/relevancy is completely off-topic and has taken up far too much time for both of us

enjoy your day.

Aisle9 · May 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

if I'm in a thread about "Is it weird that the Earth has lots of water?" and out of 100+ replies I see one person that says: "the Earth is flat nub". I'm not going to create a new thread saying "How is the Earth flat?" hoping that the person sees it and knowing full well that it's not flat and there's no logical discussion to be had.

Wait... what ? It's not

Also, everyone is conveniently avoiding the real issue here.

Are said crafting bag gonna be made in Khajiit sweatshops ? Because, in that case, I would like the option to not have them, in case I decide to subscribe.

Also, assuming they're gonna be made without oppressing poor kitteh, are they going to be locally produced by local artisans?

Because, in that case, I want to be able to directly support them. Is ZOS going to give us the option or are they going to exploit some poor kittens in some "farm" as they call them in Morrowind ?