Personofsecrets wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

crafting bag exclusivity is everything that is wrong with the subscription system and crown store. It is just the next stop on the slippery slope to more pay to win.

I totally disagree with you, you are not being excluded you are making a choice to not subscribe. You need to rephrase and realize you made a choice just like subscribers made a choice.

They made a choice to pay to win

I made a choice to not pay to win

Acrolas wrote: »

I don't think the crafting bag should be purchasable. If ZOS wants unlimited crafting space as part of the subscription, fine.

But I'm not asking for unlimited space. I'm asking for the bank to be raised to 320 or 360 so my soon to be 12 characters can have 27 to 30 bank spaces apiece.

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

I just use crafting alts. Have them hold all of your crafting materials. The bag is a nice convenience, but not game breaking. There are other ways to achieve convenience when it comes to inventory/bank space.

pod88kk wrote: »

Why not make crafting bags purchaseable, that'd surely solve all the problems. For instance I'm not a subscriber but I have paid a substantial amount of money for the things I have in game, mounts, dlcs, costumes etc I feel that I need to be rewarded for my income too otherwise it feels that the devs just don't appreciate the people who don't have a steady income to pay a subscription but will happily pay for a new Dlc or something they really like as soon as they can afford it.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In short.....
-The bag should be a base game feature and the ability to obtain the bag should be in-line with:
-crowns
-in-game gold
-ESO Plus

There are a lot of arguments or opinions but bottom line is this. ZOS has moved away from their initial confirmation of what would be linked to a subscription and what would be in the crown store.

Also, the fact that ESO Plus doesn't work as it should on Xbox One, the bag or any other features should be exclusive to a sub.

How have they gone away with what they said as far as subscription and crown store? the BAG is convenience like literally if I could describe the bag I would say: a bag to conveniently store crafting items instead of having to visit the bank or mule alts.

The first and most obvious is what I mention as respects to Xbox One...this has been the case since day 1 and it still occurs as recent as April 28th 2016

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/03/17/crown-store-showcase
" Don't forget that members of ESO Plus receive a monthly allotment of crowns in addition to other in-game bonuses! "

The other concern is items that are locked behind a sub or crowns
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february
"he most important thing to remember about Tamriel Unlimited's virtual currency system is that we're not adjusting the base game—it will be exactly the same game, with the same leveling pace, experience point gain, user interface, etc.
We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store."

"Game Director Matt Firor explained that the base game will maintain "the same levelling pace, experience point gain, [and] user interface" it always has, and promised that it won't be made more difficult to play for those who don't spring for real-money items."

"An item in the Crown Store serves one of two purposes: It either provides a visual upgrade or distinction for your character, or it provides a way to save time at the expense of spending Crowns," he wrote. "When it comes to this second category of items, we will generally make in-game variants of similar items available either as drops or as player-craftable items as well."

Not sure if you're on PTS but ther

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Thank you for your oppinion. However I disagree. ESO has every right to provide these bags exclusively to subscribers and no need to bow threads like this one.

Anyone with basic economic and marketing knowledge would understand that subscriptions are the prefered source of income for a great many reasons. At that this carrot added to the ESO+ benefits is a big plus for marketing subscriptions.

In the end, crafting bag exclusive to ESO + is a win win for Zos. You can sub if you want to.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO just read right above....its not a matter of opinion according to my comments above. While others have input their opinions and such, when the director of any company goes public with statements, that company should always make decisions around those statements.

This literally makes the game more difficult in respects to inventory management without a sub so a few things.
1. This is in conflict of earlier promises that were made on ESO Live about the words in the article linked above.
2. The company hasn't resolved outstanding issues specific to xbox one and the crowns or DLC access under ESP Plus
3. Making any feature exclusive to a subscription with no other options partial or incomplete of the subscription feature is not a win nor is it an intelligent business practice specifically due to earlier statement made by the companies director
4. Anyone with basic economic and marketing knowledge would understand that subscriptions ARE NOT a preferred source of income. Actual cash is a preferred source. All a subscription does is create another study pattern to monitor a customer base. Once you factor in charge-backs, canceled CC, failed charges, customer service costs, etc. its nothing more than another form of payment. thats all it is
5. The real issue if that ZOS refuses to offer meaningful ESO Plus benefits so they've came up with this idea which is going to back-fire around June 20th 2016

1. No they promised not to make it harder and not to adjust it that way and they have not, if you do not sub then your inventory options will be exactly the same after DB drops as they are today and have been all through the games life. Subscribers will certainly find life more vonvenient but non subscribers will not lose anything real - this is purely a psychological loss to you, you arvecperiencing bag envy.
2. Honestly do not know enough about these specific platform issues to comment.
3. A predictable revenue stream is very good for a company and allows them to make plans without having to guess how many of us will buy the latest senche reskin. If bags get people to pay their pretty low monthly sub then it could boost the game. If not then I would ecpect a very expensive crown item to add bags in 6-9 months.
4. As someone who has studied evonomics and worked in marketing I can say you are mistaken - steady revenue streams allow companies to make forward plans. It is why firms will make a big deal about their forward order books when announcing results to the markets and why firms who can point at solid future revenue are also solid investments.
5. Why June 20th?

@Tavore1138

1. Please read the article and then watch the ESO live episode that same timeframe. Literally watch it and listen to what Matt and the staff say. In your comment you literally write out my point. In context to the removal of the subscription requirement and the addition of the crown store thoe comments are not being followed. Download the PTS and go play it this week.

Playing PTS without ESO plus vs with ESO plus specific to the crafting bags is on average 100-250 inventory slots or more freed up. For me it's over 450 so it's literally harder to play the game without the subscription which is the only way o get the crafting bad. At the base of the rotten comments, that's one point. But listen to the other dialogue around paid items vs in-game where intially anything "paid for" was to also be available without paying. Now the paid items are to be more convenient but not exclusive by type, visual, feature and effects.

Your comments about a predictable revenue stream....have you actually run a real business or just learned about from someone else's theories. I ask because I've actually run a real business for over 5 years. It was internet based where I sold products and services nationwide. I had deliveries setup, dealing with website fees, maintenance, subscribers and buyers, etc. While in theory colleges and seminars suggest subscribers are predictable, they actually aren't.

The truth is it's more likely that someone will forget to cancel their subscription or not want to bother with it until there is a lack of funds. As the business owner, you deal with charge backs, fraud claims and solemn credit card transactions as well as insufficient funds. Nothing about it is predictable. Also, just in case this wasn't taught, visa, master card, PayPal, square, etc all have fees associated with them just like PSn and Xbox One. Then there is the reality that credit cards aren't real money so you're waiting on different financial institutions to release funds on whatever schedules they have domestic and international also by time zone.

It's great that you studied someone else's ideas (economics) but the real world isn't that reality. Firms who point towards steady revenue streams aren't doing it with subscribers, they are doing it with stocks, and investments as well as other budgets. Real money is cash, everything else is literally "projections" and "goals".

This is where all of you who keep suggesting that subscriptions are good for the company are mistaken. Subscriptions are good when the investor meeting asks for proof of how many active customers they have and the revenue stream cause they can "project" a theoretic value but it's nothing more than a guess. That's not an operating budget or company earnings. Those are calculated differently usually approx 45-60 after "X" dates.

As far as June 20th, that is approx the amount of days after the console get the update and the time it takes for ppl to sub and then cancel their renewals. The whole point of launching on consoles was to reach other markets but reality is, that those platforms don't create the same profit margins as PC for ZOS. When we "buy" ESO plus on Xbox one, often times if it's not PayPal, it doesn't actually hit until 3-5 days later so June 20th and there-after is the date of reality.

Just stay around and watch the forums.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

KingDuncanVII wrote: »

I just use crafting alts. Have them hold all of your crafting materials. The bag is a nice convenience, but not game breaking. There are other ways to achieve convenience when it comes to inventory/bank space.

This does not help with bags filling if you auto-loot everything as you go. Since my inventory has been fuller, I have found a lot less motif books because I loot less. With crafting bags, I can loot again with impunity.

Since there is no easy way to transfer loot to an alt without interrupting your actually playing of the game, I'm not sure how your method (which I already use) is "achieving convenience".

Valrien wrote: »

ESO+ needs perks. This is a perk, and it's not necessary to gameplay in any way.

This topic has been beaten to death and the majority agrees that this is perfectly fine.