The CXP given at DB release is unfair

zFib · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Well, this thread....

JK

but the point is,
yes just giving 40 CP for everyone with a V16 could be unfair, since the people under 501 are reaching the cap faster.
But giving xp can also be unfair, since I could just get 20 CP with Y XP because I'm nearer to the cap and others get 130 CP with Y XP.
Problem is, there will be no "super" fair solution.
Still hope you all enjoy the game, and we'll see how everything works out in a week

Hmm, hmm, seems Khajit - well played.

this is a constructive post. I love the game i play it every single day for multiple hours i was simply suggesting something it probably wasnt the best suggestion tho

zFib · May 2016

Defilted wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

I think the catch up mechanics are fine. I scheduled out my grind to have 461 by the time DB drops and then will be maxed. MMO's are about time invested. ZOS does not have a Bernie Sanders handing out CP for good reason. Everyone including my self has had to spend time getting the vet levels and the CP. Why is it not "fair" that you do the same.

This post seems to be about two things.
1. You do not want to put in the time that the rest of these people have put in to get to 501 and you want a hand out.
2. The last few CP levels before you get to 501 are harder to get for the very reasons of posts like this.

ZOS announced this a while ago and you have had a lot of time to get there or at least to 461 before drop. You are just going to have to spend the time. MMO's will always see the people that reach end game have more success and I for one would never want to see a MMO where the new player is just as strong as the ones that have been here playing and grinding and practicing for a long period of time.

If you want new or casual players to have all the advantages of the old ones you need to play competitive games like Team fortress or Overwatch.

i think your misunderstanding what im saying. all im saying is they should give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release. rather than you getting 25,000,000 xp and me getting say 10,000,000. why wouldnt they just make the cp bonus given at DB equal for u and me?

I do not think I am misunderstanding you. I understand you want the reward to come in the form of XP then translated to CP. This would benefit the lower level CP accounts more than the higher level CP accounts.

What I do not understand is why you think that someone who has spent less time in the game should be rewarded more than someone who has spent more time in the game. This is the part that makes no sense to me. You want this to be another form of catch up mechanic. There does not need to be another one.

Rewarding everyone a flat 40 regardless of the XP value is the best way to do this. This way all accounts are treated completely equal. XP value reward would again reward the lower CP accounts more than the higher ones and then this would make it so that the reward is not equal. I can say this another way. Basing the reward off of a XP value treats the older and more dedicated players worse. Why would ZOS want to do this?

no. im not saying people who have spent less time should be rewarded more at Db release lol you are misunderstanding me. Im saying that we should be given an EQUAL amount of xp. Not us get more than you ive said that multiple times

GivvumBoane · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

no i survived it im right here typing??

You've been playing since launch and complaining about CP? If you don't have enough champion points and you've been playing since launch, that's a "you" problem.

zFib · May 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

I'm unclear as to why people think that if they play for 3 hours every month they should be as leveled up as people who play for 3 hours every day - I have yet to have anyone explain that to me in terms that don't pretty much sum up to "waaaaah, waaaaah".

Sorry, but that's just the way it comes across.

has anyone in this post said anything about players who play 3 hours a month needing to be on par as people who play every day? no. i dont get why people like you are pulling stuff like this out of nowhere. post something constructive ur not helping the discussion lol ur just complaing about stuff that no one in this thread has said or done

zFib · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

no i survived it im right here typing??

You've been playing since launch and complaining about CP? If you don't have enough champion points and you've been playing since launch, that's a "you" problem.

i moved to PC NA during cake week form XBOX EU due to horrible ping issues. and im not complaining about CP youre misunderstood. im complaining about the fact that you get 26 million xp at DB release and i get like 13 million. go read the thread and then come post

zFib · May 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

OP:
#Championpointsmustfall

Everyone Else:

#StoplaginCyrodiil
#Givestamsorcsmoreskills
#Don'tnerfblock
#reducepoisonbackto30%
#KeepmakingawesomecontentZenimax!
#Playerhousingpls
#racechangepls
#alliancechangepls
#fixNBcloakpls

hey people have been complainging about that stuff for years and it isnt changing so you guys are wasting your time lol

zFib · May 2016

and for all the people who are saying these CP are for long term players/ subscribers ive been playing since XBOX EU launch (almost a year ago) and have been a subscriber to ESO for 10 months and have bought over 5000 worth of crowns on both platforms so im a long term player just like you all maybe not as long as some of you players that have played since PC launch but im definitely long term

Refuse2GrowUp · May 2016

I find posts like this a bit funny. There is complaining that others will get CPs quicker or slower to get an unfair advantage. Yet, the same person(s) do not complain that they need to only earn a few thousand XP to get a CP when many of us had to earn 400k XP for each and every CP we earned, whether it was CP #1 or #501, prior to the introduction of the catch-up mechanism. I think newer and uber casual players players need to get to 460ish CPs before each CP costs 400K XP. Thus, they claims of what is unfair is relative and should certainly be kept in context.

zFib · May 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I'm unclear as to why people think that if they play for 3 hours every month they should be as leveled up as people who play for 3 hours every day - I have yet to have anyone explain that to me in terms that don't pretty much sum up to "waaaaah, waaaaah".

Sorry, but that's just the way it comes across.

Don't be sorry. Just people wanting stuff they didn't earn. I don't put in near as much time as some of the hardcore players, but I don't want to have stuff given to me because of it.

Both of you are spot on. What @Epona222 and @GivvumBoane have said is FACT if you disagree then you are, of course entitled to your wrong opinion and I will enjoy drinking your tears

you guys are wrong i dont want anything that i didnt earn where are you pulling that out of??? i just want them to give an EQUAL amount of flat CXP to everyone at DB release rather than giving 40 cp. Whos whining for stuff they didnt earn?? not me. seems like you guys are whining about me making suggestions. your tears are all scrumptious.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

no i survived it im right here typing??

You've been playing since launch and complaining about CP? If you don't have enough champion points and you've been playing since launch, that's a "you" problem.

i moved to PC NA during cake week form XBOX EU due to horrible ping issues. and im not complaining about CP youre misunderstood. im complaining about the fact that you get 26 million xp at DB release and i get like 13 million. go read the thread and then come post

I read your post, and based on your flat XP rate the people with higher Cp would get the bone while people with low CP would gain the most. Essentially turning this 40 CP gift into another catch up mechanism. I've been playing since Xbox launch day one. I have two vet level characters and 175 Cp, and I took a 2 month break. The CP system and the 40 points are fine as is.

zFib · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

no i survived it im right here typing??

You've been playing since launch and complaining about CP? If you don't have enough champion points and you've been playing since launch, that's a "you" problem.

i moved to PC NA during cake week form XBOX EU due to horrible ping issues. and im not complaining about CP youre misunderstood. im complaining about the fact that you get 26 million xp at DB release and i get like 13 million. go read the thread and then come post

I read your post, and based on your flat XP rate the people with higher Cp would get the bone while people with low CP would gain the most. Essentially turning this 40 CP gift into another catch up mechanism. I've been playing since Xbox launch day one. I have two vet level characters and 175 Cp, and I took a 2 month break. The CP system and the 40 points are fine as is.

how would people with higher cp be getting the bone if were all getting the exact same amount of CXP? they may get less cp right away at DB than lower cp people, but its the EXACT SAME amount of CXP. And if youve been playing since launch on one system and only have 175 cp, thats a 'you' problem for sure i got 270 cp in a month

GivvumBoane · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

MMOs are just not what they used to be. Players like the OP would have never survived the early MMOs like EverQuest.

He probably wouldn't have survived this games launch, pc or xbox

no i survived it im right here typing??

You've been playing since launch and complaining about CP? If you don't have enough champion points and you've been playing since launch, that's a "you" problem.

i moved to PC NA during cake week form XBOX EU due to horrible ping issues. and im not complaining about CP youre misunderstood. im complaining about the fact that you get 26 million xp at DB release and i get like 13 million. go read the thread and then come post

I read your post, and based on your flat XP rate the people with higher Cp would get the bone while people with low CP would gain the most. Essentially turning this 40 CP gift into another catch up mechanism. I've been playing since Xbox launch day one. I have two vet level characters and 175 Cp, and I took a 2 month break. The CP system and the 40 points are fine as is.

how would people with higher cp be getting the bone if were all getting the exact same amount of CXP? they may get less cp right away at DB than lower cp people, but its the EXACT SAME amount of CXP. And if youve been playing since launch on one system and only have 175 cp, thats a 'you' problem for sure i got 270 cp in a month

I don't have a problem with my Cp amount. I earned what I have and am not asking for more. The same amount of champion XP will result in less Cp for players with higher Cp because it takes more xp to get a point. And enlightenment has less effect for higher Cp.

Nystora · May 2016

Life isn't fair stop crying.

RocDonald · May 2016

Wow, this thread is making me loose my faith in humanity. It's 40 lousy cp

GivvumBoane · May 2016

RocDonald wrote: »

Wow, this thread is making me loose my faith in humanity. It's 40 lousy cp

You still had faith in humanity? I thought that was all done when the Kardashians got a TV show

Epona222 · May 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

I find posts like this a bit funny. There is complaining that others will get CPs quicker or slower to get an unfair advantage. Yet, the same person(s) do not complain that they need to only earn a few thousand XP to get a CP when many of us had to earn 400k XP for each and every CP we earned, whether it was CP #1 or #501, prior to the introduction of the catch-up mechanism. I think newer and uber casual players players need to get to 460ish CPs before each CP costs 400K XP. Thus, they claims of what is unfair is relative and should certainly be kept in context.

This, exactly. For someone just getting their first character to level 50 now, their first champion point costs 32k XP. MY first champion point, and many subsequent ones earned between the introduction of CP and the introduction of the catch-up mechanism, cost me 400k XP each. I also lost out on loads of potential champion points that I should have earned due to the cap on retrospectively awarding them when they were first introduced (I think the maximum was 70).

If we want to argue about things being unfair, then players like me have just as much if not more reason to feel as though we have been handed the 'mucky' end of the stick.

Vangy · May 2016

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Refuse2GrowUp · May 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Sooooooooo, what are you trying to say?

acw37162 · May 2016

So if I understand you right.

Your upset the people at the top of CP spectrum are getting a numerically bigger benefit then the people at the bottom of the CP spectrum?

GivvumBoane · May 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

So if I understand you right.

Your upset the people at the top of CP spectrum are getting a numerically bigger benefit then the people at the bottom of the CP spectrum?

When you convert the points into raw XP, yes that's what the op is saying. He wants to take that raw XP value for the 40 points that someone with say 501 Cp has and give that flat XP value to everyone. Which would, in turn, equate to more points for the low end. I do not agree with this and I have less Cp than the OP.

Komma · May 2016

Why do people worry so much about what other people get that they have earned? I just dont understand todays entitlement society. We wont be able to spend those points for over a year at the soonest.

Vangy · May 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Ive got 8 toons that are v16 pre-exp requirement nerf...

Wah wah all new players just need to worry about CP 160 with removal of vet ranks and thyre also getting CP exp curve boost? Where is my justice? wah wah!!

Ive got 600+ CP but Im capped at 501 cos of reasons. Wah wah? Where is my justice?

I need well over 600k exp per CP I cannot spend? wah wah? where is my justice?

In short. Wah WAH wWAHAHWHAWHHWHAWAH!

Sooooooooo, what are you trying to say?

Basically im trying to say my right to WAH WAH is far greater than OP's right to WAH WAH. So therefore, my WAH WAH>>his WAH WAH. Hence, me getting 40 CP and him getting 40CP can be justified and his WAH WAH should not be able to hold a candle to my WAH WAH. You get my WAH WAH?

Junipus · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the OP. With almost 600CP myself those extra 40 mean nothing.

They should give everyone under 501 the 40CP as a catch up bonus to help get to the max level and disable all enlightenment once you reach cap as well. Since no-one will be able to use them over 501 and the next raise might not be until the end of the year, even if you casualled it once a week you'd probably make 50CP by then.

The whole CP system is an asinine grind, but since it's there they should make it easy to get to level cap within either a month of hardcore playing or 2-3 months of casual grind.

This one senses sarcasm. To rapidly uplift everyone to cap would kill the game, yes?

That one is incorrect. Giving people already over the CP cap, even those with almost double cap, continued enlightenment and an additional 40CP really means nothing when you can't use it. I currently have about 3 days of enlightenment pooled because I have nothing to use it for. I cannot spend CP even though I'm accruing them at roughly one per day when I'm playing for an evening.

The extra bonuses are pretty much useless and can be removed from those over cap without it affecting the quality of the game, gameplay or catch up mechanics.

Lucius_Aelius · May 2016

If anything I think the unfair thing is that you only get CP's for the highest level character, I only have one Vet 16 and I'll be getting the same number of CP's as someone with 8 V16's, and there's nothing even remotely fair about that. I'm not personally upset about it because if anything I'm getting the best of anyone out of this deal, but I'd be a liar if I didn't call *** on this, it's not even a little bit fair to the people who have played this game so much more and deserve the appropriate recognition.

Voxicity · May 2016

l2grind

DenniMyuu · May 2016

If I am at the cap with 501 I can't even use those 40 extra CP - just saying.
So imo only people with lower CP actually profit from this.

FatKidHatchets · May 2016

Let's put everyone at 501 cap, remove the cap, put costs back to 400k, and let folks have a reason to play the game again.

For those lacking ocp or vet levels go to old orsinium. Drink an ambrosia potion. It takes 40 minutes per vet level and in that same time you'll get cp depending on how low you are.

Its really that simple. I v16 3 characters in a week. The average Joe can do atleast one if you put in a couple hours a day.

zFib · May 2016

Vox wrote: »

l2grind

l2read. i said ive basically only grinded for my xp.

zFib · May 2016

FatKidHatchets wrote: »

Let's put everyone at 501 cap, remove the cap, put costs back to 400k, and let folks have a reason to play the game again.

For those lacking ocp or vet levels go to old orsinium. Drink an ambrosia potion. It takes 40 minutes per vet level and in that same time you'll get cp depending on how low you are.

Its really that simple. I v16 3 characters in a week. The average Joe can do atleast one if you put in a couple hours a day.

i guarantee for a FACT that you cant get 1 vet level in 40 mins without the cake boost. I have been to all of the best spots in the current patch, rkindaleft, sewers, old orsinium, and every other good spot in Wrothgar. i promise you youre not getting 1 vet level in 40 mins, unless u still have cake, which no one does.

KingYogi415 · May 2016

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OP's next post will be to sell top tier gear for crowns.