Vicious Death, Proxy Det, Vaelicious Curse, Inevitable Debt = Unsubscribing and No More Purchases

Talyena · May 2016

I think some people don't understand how the AOE cap works or don't know what zergs most people are complaining about. Here is how AOE caps work straight from Wrobel, "Healing abilities currently cap at 6 targets, where damage can hit up to 60 targets (100% to the first 6, 50% to the next 24, and 25% to the last 30)."

The zergs most complained about are the ones that run around in a ball using proxy, purge, heals and crowd control. They usually aren't running over huge groups of players so the AOE cap doesn't really affect them. But it does help them since anything you hit them with hits most of them for only half the damage. If the reduction part of the cap were lifted it would reduce the benefits of them running around in such a tight group. These groups also drive down frame rates and drive up ping much more that larger groups that are spread out.

I don't think removing AOE caps would be some miracle performance cure that some think it would. But I do think it might help in some situations and certainly couldn't hurt. For players that don't run around in these little ball zergs it wouldn't change much at all since most players tend to spread out and the only time you frequently find more than six players in a small spot is in small areas such as towers or keeps or standing on flags trying to flip them (and those I know tend to hold block when flipping a flag if we aren't fighting).

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All the Devs had to do was lift the AoE cap to fix the zerg and balling up. That is literally it, they only had to remove the AoE cap. 99% of players would have been supremely happy with this choice.

Isn't the cap in place to improve performance by reducing server calculations? (instead of calculating an ability on 100 targets, it's only X) This is why caps were added recently for Purge and Barrier, and Rapid Maneuver was limited to group members only.

A lot of people have asked for both removal of these caps and better performance in Cyrodiil, but these are in some ways conflicting requests. In my case, I'm more interested in better performance even if it means proxy det can only hit 10 people instead of 100.

Actually, the caps INCREASE server calculations and lag because there is so much in calculations the server has cancel out and debuff. These caps were added because people felt the abilities were too effective.

It is not a conflicting request to remove AoE and lag, in fact it is one and the same.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

DHale wrote: »

Glad to hear it. There are 15 things you could do to avoid this in but you really don't want to hear it. So I will not take the time to explain them. You want zos to do what you want them to do and will make empty threats to accomplish it. It's really sad that I can in all light armor survive prox det (nerfed in a week any way) soul tether sap essence from a high elf nb with vd and alchemist without blocking and yet you die to it apparently regularly. Usually when I find the complainers in game I try to help I go over their build and cp and armor. It usually it sub par I am not talking in min max terms just sub par. Sometimes a complete pve build. I often hear well I don't have the pvp gear or gold or mats or a million other things... All excuses and bad ones at that. My answer is simple then don't pvp. There are a billion other things to do in this game. The difference between baddies and experts is nothing magical: time, effort, and self discipline. The gear is great but I have guildies who do great with purple gear gold weapons. Just holding block would mitigate a vast majority of the incoming damage but you feel like you should only get the damage your build can survive. You don't want to be bothered with building a armor set and play style that survives the current bomb meta. Don't adapt, innovate, or improvise don't ask your self what can I do differently, what can I do to make a better more sustainable build. Just ask for nerfs, blame ZOS, and stomp your feet. This is a really wonderful game (minus lag) too bad you won't enjoy it.

To give you a small insight into my experience as an ESO player since I have been playing I have become Emperor (no clan, no group, just me), I have Master Angler, I fenced 1,000,000 in gold of stolen goods, I have finished all dungeons and most trials on Vet., I have learned all the motif styles, I am finishing all my research within the next month, and those who have known me in PvP pre-update respected my abilities, although I would never claim to be the best, furthermore I only run with Legendary Armor, Weapons, and Enchantments. You would never see me in PvP with anything less.

Yes, you can "block" these abilities, but while you're blocking waiting for them to pop, you're also being attacked by 30 other people and if you're a Stambuild, there goes all your effectiveness use up to block. Furthermore, not only do these insta-cast but assuming Cyrodiil is working as normal, you won't see the animations. Over half the time I'm in Cyrodiil I am not seeing animations, thusly I am not glowing so I don't know that I need to block. KABOOM! Out of nowhere. So actually, I retract my statement, I would go as far to say that these are in fact unblockable.

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DHale · May 2016

Utterly ridiculous. See... pve is definitely your thing you seem very suited to it. That said, you complain about the abilities in the post then go on to say it's 30 players hitting you. As I very clearly wrote you don't want to hear it. Then it's not seeing abilities hitting you... Lag. Guess what it's lag killing ppl not vd proxy curse. Again I will say if you think you are going to survive 30 ppl hitting you are sadly mistaken. Pvp is not for you... Master angler. You failed to mention any pvp experience.... Tried to give you tough love but since you spat in my face you get the business end. It is so confusing why someone who has spent hundreds of hours fishing is not better at pvp? I know you won't try to get better it may require some effort. Good luck though...

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DUTCH_REAPER · May 2016

I

you Vicious Death

idk · May 2016

Find it sad when people are challenged to find ways around tactics. They find something that works for them (someone probably told them what to do) but when things change they are troubled to change.

So they call for a nerf and threaten to grab all their toys and go home if it doesn't happen.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Find it sad when people are challenged to find ways around tactics. They find something that works for them (someone probably told them what to do) but when things change they are troubled to change.

So they call for a nerf and threaten to grab all their toys and go home if it doesn't happen.

I build my own characters, and I constantly change and update them as I gather information from talking to people and damage feedback. You must be talking about everyone that runs the noob armor and abilities.

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holosoul · May 2016

Hightech you are just lying, I can say 100% sure 0 former emperors would fail to understand velocious curse.
You have failed in your tangled web, just quit while you're ahead.

Yes, all of us can tell you are ignorant, just stop.

holosoul · May 2016

Like, not even 'one' person agreed with you.
I understand being a minority opinion

but not even 1?
on the busiest section of the forum?

just think for a second

Proxy det already got nerfed on PTS, an ability which is almost non optional for groups to run because if you didn't you would simply lose. You'll find most people won't mind nerfs to proxy det (except that it negatively affects PVE AOE grinding) and you'll probably also find that VD is unpopular.

You fail to realize that you're contradicting yourself because apparently you don't even know what VD -does- or how it could kill you by claiming to be alone. Therefor, some people responded by assuming you weren't lying, and that instead you were confused by the death recap or offered suggestions to counter VD by spreading out. Proxy det is powerful yes, and the use of inevitable detonation in a popular sorc combo (entropy, inevitable, crushing, curse, meteor, frags) might show you that curse killed you since they are intended to all do damage in the same 1 second time frame.

Unfortunately, you don't even understand burst combos.

bedlom · May 2016

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Morridune · May 2016

how is it that the complaint is both against skills that are anti zerg and also against zergs, you cant rly be both against skills/sets for killing zergballs and also against ppl zerging

proxy and well most AoE's vs single targets is inefficient as there are better cheaper more spam-able skills to use v lone players unless their block knights.

VD is only really going to get u killed often if ur standing next to ppl who die then explode. Now prox and its morphs are getting adjusted so they'll really only be good v large groups and well VD should prolly be looked at its not unmanageable. I'd preff when ppl die to VD didn't cause further VD explosions i.e if some1 dies from the proc they don't also explode after, the only thing i see been more OP about the VD set compared to the others is how fast it can snowball as any other set that seems to have a stackable/repating effect is capped at how much they can do so were as its seems it be possible ( tho prob nt likely) to have VD kill ppl near indifferently ( say they stood in 1 big line from 1 side of the map to the other and all went afk and forgot to get magic resistance...maybe)

As for you're apparent inability to deal with lots of ppl using AoE's at the same time i fail to see how say 20 ppl hitting you with AoE's would be worse than the same 20 ppl hitting you with single target skills. trying block/dodge or heal through 20 incoming attacks will still murder you're resources and well you irrespective of what type they are ..... unless ofc you're also running in a zerg and well why complain about zergs if you too run in a large group.

I appreciate it can be frustrating it is after all pvp and ofc you're perfectly entitled to withdraw you're financial support of the game. However I feel a lot more credit would be paid to all of us players if rather than run to forums with a "im not happy make me happy or else" post an actual discussion is had. By all means state what you're not happy with but either give something in regards to a suggestion of how it could be made better ( without just jumping to a "fix" they say their not doing ) or open it up to ppl to discuss. Uncompromising demands and out right threats wont elicit a positive response so you're not really likely to become any happier with the situation

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

P.S. I just earned my 100th Agree Badge!

DHale wrote: »

Utterly ridiculous. See... pve is definitely your thing you seem very suited to it. That said, you complain about the abilities in the post then go on to say it's 30 players hitting you. As I very clearly wrote you don't want to hear it. Then it's not seeing abilities hitting you... Lag. Guess what it's lag killing ppl not vd proxy curse. Again I will say if you think you are going to survive 30 ppl hitting you are sadly mistaken. Pvp is not for you... Master angler. You failed to mention any pvp experience.... Tried to give you tough love but since you spat in my face you get the business end. It is so confusing why someone who has spent hundreds of hours fishing is not better at pvp? I know you won't try to get better it may require some effort. Good luck though...

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You need to brush up on your critical reading skills bro. I've been Emperor, on a Stamblade no less, no group or clan coordination, I accomplished it essentially by myself, and you're trying to tell me I'm inexperienced?

Just stop lying.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

holosoul wrote: »

Hightech you are just lying, I can say 100% sure 0 former emperors would fail to understand velocious curse.
You have failed in your tangled web, just quit while you're ahead.

Yes, all of us can tell you are ignorant, just stop.

Find me in game bro! I will happily show you my title and armor. Think of just how good I am for getting Emperor without using proxy det or vicious curse.

Again I did it on my Stamblade. I'd be happy to show anyone who doubts any of my statements as true.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

holosoul wrote: »

Like, not even 'one' person agreed with you.
I understand being a minority opinion

but not even 1?
on the busiest section of the forum?

just think for a second

Proxy det already got nerfed on PTS, an ability which is almost non optional for groups to run because if you didn't you would simply lose. You'll find most people won't mind nerfs to proxy det (except that it negatively affects PVE AOE grinding) and you'll probably also find that VD is unpopular.

You fail to realize that you're contradicting yourself because apparently you don't even know what VD -does- or how it could kill you by claiming to be alone. Therefor, some people responded by assuming you weren't lying, and that instead you were confused by the death recap or offered suggestions to counter VD by spreading out. Proxy det is powerful yes, and the use of inevitable detonation in a popular sorc combo (entropy, inevitable, crushing, curse, meteor, frags) might show you that curse killed you since they are intended to all do damage in the same 1 second time frame.

Unfortunately, you don't even understand burst combos.

Think about this for a second, 7 people agreed with me. What drug are you on?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · May 2016

Idk who is more of a baby. Gina's newborn or you.

mistermutiny89 · May 2016

Me whilst reading the thread title: "Betcha he mains a stamblade".

OP: Wahh my stamblade.

Accept the fact you are going to die in there sometimes. It's okay!!
Ambush > Hysteria > Surprise Attack x 2 > Executioner is pretty damn cheesy too.

Also the two skills you complain about don't even go off straight away. Look at what's on you and adjust accordingly. This isn't rocket science.

Epona222 · May 2016

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

P.S. I just earned my 100th Agree Badge!

I have 2.3k agrees, but it doesn't stop me being a bit of an old curmudgeon, and it doesn't mean that I'm always right.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

holosoul wrote: »

Hightech you are just lying, I can say 100% sure 0 former emperors would fail to understand velocious curse.
You have failed in your tangled web, just quit while you're ahead.

Yes, all of us can tell you are ignorant, just stop.

Find me in game bro! I will happily show you my title and armor. Think of just how good I am for getting Emperor without using proxy det or vicious curse.

Again I did it on my Stamblade. I'd be happy to show anyone who doubts any of my statements as true.

That's what I thought. After I messaged him personally to tell him to add me on Xbox to challenge his accusations he immediately backed down. The only thing he could think of is, "You probably bought your account." Except, I've been an Xbox member for 11 years and have a GS of over 380k. Reminded me of "Where's your birth certificate?".

You know, this whole time, I haven't seen one logical defense of these abilities. I have read every post, and not one person can or has come up with a logical justification for OP-ed-ness of these abilities.

LITERALLY THE BEST ANY OF YOU HAVE DONE IS CLAIM THAT I AM A WHINY STAMBLADE WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGABLE OR SUBSTANSTIVE DEFENSE OF THESE ABILITIES. I GUESS I DIDN'T EXPECT ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE MAGICKA BASED CLASSES..

It's so funny when I'm being accused of being a whiner and yet all the replies to me have been from the biggest whiners and most OP classes in the game. You know the only people who don't think Magicka is OP are people who have only ever played Magicka. Every person I have played with that has been Magicka and tried Stamina has struggled, heavily and admittedly so. However, on the converse Stamina players that go to Magicka flourish.

I F@%!ing dare any Magicka player to jump on a Stamina class and see how it goes.

Wreuntzylla · May 2016

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

It's so funny when I'm being accused of being a whiner and yet all the replies to me have been from the biggest whiners and most OP classes in the game. You know the only people who don't think Magicka is OP are people who have only ever played Magicka.

Welcome to the ESO forums.

holosoul · May 2016

I ignored your suggestion for me to log onto xbox because I don't even own an xbox, here's the actual conversation though:

HighT3chR3dn3ck May 23
I'd be happy to meet up with you and shove your own words down your throat and show you my Emperor title and armor.

holosoulholosoul May 23
To me that would just mean you bought your character though, you are too ignorant of the game; and by ignorant I don't mean it in the way that there is no potential for improvement, I mean ignorant as in new.

HighT3chR3dn3ckHighT3chR3dn3ck 8:05AM
You're a moron.

holosoulholosoul 8:18AM
You are so angry about a game, I'm sorry that I can't relate because winning and losing in PVP does not affect me emotionally, in my understanding this is a rare trait.

Will you perhaps read what I say? In my mind, you will likely skim over what I write and perhaps even respond indignantly even if I make no offense.

Velocious Curse is not an instant cast direct damage ability, it does medium->high damage 4 seconds after you cast it and cannot be stacked.

Vicious Death causes opponents to explode when you kill them, doing massive damage in a 5m radius around them. Vicious Death can never kill you 1v1, to die to vicious death means that someone standing next to you was killed by a person wearing the set. There is a UI bug that displays Vicious Death in the death recap even when you are the one exploding after death, that bug is fixed on PTS. It never deals this actual damage to you.

I don't support Vicious Death, it feels overtuned.

Proxy Det is too strong, and it was already nerfed on PTS. It will now do half the damage it previously did in 1v1 situations (which should amount to about 3 - 4k single target against low magic resist)

The reason I claimed you are new is that you were saying VD had killed you while you were alone, which is a paradox. You were also complaining about one of the only two mag sorc DPS abilities, which of course you will see on your death recap if you fight a sorcerer (Frags, curse) what else would you expect to see? Maybe mage's wrath (the 20% or lower execute), a lot of 1vXers run that but it's pretty bad for regular players.

If you aren't a new player, then I don't understand why you aren't moderately aware of class abilities other than your own, you even said in a previous thread that you had played sorcerer! There is no way you would make such silly comments about curse if you ever had a veteran sorcerer. Your comments are clearly only from the point of view of a nightblade and display almost no understanding of abilities other than those of your own class.

I'm sorry if my words upset you, whether or not you bought your account or have a former emperor title, I don't actually care about that at all. You can continue to rage if you like, but it's not as if I have the power to change the game.

HighT3chR3dn3ckHighT3chR3dn3ck 8:20AM
I just want you to know that I didn't read any of it because again, you're a moron and I have no respect for morons; but more importantly I don't care what a moron has to say.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

holosoul wrote: »

I ignored your suggestion for me to log onto xbox because I don't even own an xbox, here's the actual conversation though:

HighT3chR3dn3ck May 23
I'd be happy to meet up with you and shove your own words down your throat and show you my Emperor title and armor.

holosoulholosoul May 23
To me that would just mean you bought your character though, you are too ignorant of the game; and by ignorant I don't mean it in the way that there is no potential for improvement, I mean ignorant as in new.

HighT3chR3dn3ckHighT3chR3dn3ck 8:05AM
You're a moron.

holosoulholosoul 8:18AM
You are so angry about a game, I'm sorry that I can't relate because winning and losing in PVP does not affect me emotionally, in my understanding this is a rare trait.

Will you perhaps read what I say? In my mind, you will likely skim over what I write and perhaps even respond indignantly even if I make no offense.

Velocious Curse is not an instant cast direct damage ability, it does medium->high damage 4 seconds after you cast it and cannot be stacked.

Vicious Death causes opponents to explode when you kill them, doing massive damage in a 5m radius around them. Vicious Death can never kill you 1v1, to die to vicious death means that someone standing next to you was killed by a person wearing the set. There is a UI bug that displays Vicious Death in the death recap even when you are the one exploding after death, that bug is fixed on PTS. It never deals this actual damage to you.

I don't support Vicious Death, it feels overtuned.

Proxy Det is too strong, and it was already nerfed on PTS. It will now do half the damage it previously did in 1v1 situations (which should amount to about 3 - 4k single target against low magic resist)

The reason I claimed you are new is that you were saying VD had killed you while you were alone, which is a paradox. You were also complaining about one of the only two mag sorc DPS abilities, which of course you will see on your death recap if you fight a sorcerer (Frags, curse) what else would you expect to see? Maybe mage's wrath (the 20% or lower execute), a lot of 1vXers run that but it's pretty bad for regular players.

If you aren't a new player, then I don't understand why you aren't moderately aware of class abilities other than your own, you even said in a previous thread that you had played sorcerer! There is no way you would make such silly comments about curse if you ever had a veteran sorcerer. Your comments are clearly only from the point of view of a nightblade and display almost no understanding of abilities other than those of your own class.

I'm sorry if my words upset you, whether or not you bought your account or have a former emperor title, I don't actually care about that at all. You can continue to rage if you like, but it's not as if I have the power to change the game.

HighT3chR3dn3ckHighT3chR3dn3ck 8:20AM
I just want you to know that I didn't read any of it because again, you're a moron and I have no respect for morons; but more importantly I don't care what a moron has to say.

I never said I was killed out by myself by Vicious Death, I think that proves my point about this person's credibility well enough.

holosoul · May 2016

How many times do you think you've repeated that you only play solo?

You win though, you're right.
I will take my leave.

HighT3chR3dn3ck · May 2016

holosoul wrote: »

How many times do you think you've repeated that you only play solo?

You win though, you're right.
I will take my leave.

I said I earned my Emperorship solo. LEARN TO READ! Furthermore, this does not mean that there aren't any other players around me, it just means I don't group or coordinate with other players.

This is that whole thing where when introduced with a strand of truth that is contradictory to one's own view, the person will rational in anyway possible to make themselves feel right. I don't think I'm going out on a limb here to say that your a Donald Trump supporter.

vamp_emily · May 2016

LIES! LIES! and more LIES!!!

PvP is completely ruined - LIE!
they completely broke the game - LIE!

After the next DLC it will be something like
POISION ruined the game!

I'm actually shocked this did not turn into a Nurf NB thread.

OP L2P!

Miszou · May 2016

Crying about "zergs" in a warzone makes no sense at all. There (should be) safety in numbers.

Of course you're going to die going up against this on your own. Why would anyone think otherwise?

TequilaFire · May 2016

While you may grind to the top of the leader board, no one gets emperor by themselves legit.
You are not giving credit to those that took the emp keep ring with or for you.

ZOS_DaryaK · May 2016

As predicted we're closing this discussion as it is considered a "Good-bye" thread.