RIP 50% of the Market on Crafting Mats in DB

Pandorii · May 2016

Yesterday, I was looking through my bank at all the crafting items I had gathered through the last 8 months of playing this game. I had all sorts of potency runes and materiels of each weight in every level tier. They took up a lot of space, and I was thinking about what was essential and non-essential to make room for the new reagents and solvents releasing with the new (not desired) poison system. That's when I had an epiphany. How long in one's ESO life will they actually use vet 1-vet 14 mats? The removal of the veteran ranks is going to have a huge market effect on these items. Most people will already have enough champion points to immediately craft and wear vet15 and vet16 armor. For those few new players who are starting out from scratch in champion points won't take very long to get to 150 or 160. I decided to purge all those useless mats. I won't need them for my alts anymore. People won't need them for themselves, with rare exeptions. RIP crafting as we know it. Only thing I can see them being useful for is leveling up crafting, but most people just decon stuff to level 50, with the exception of provisioning and alchemy.

Fignutz821 · May 2016

Yep purged my personal Guild bank the other day

Valrien · May 2016

You can still use v10-14 for writs. level 50-cp90 is still useless.

CasNation · May 2016

Yep. Welcome to the economy. I honestly don't really have a problem with it. I think the way it is happening is kind of ham-fisted, but it's not like you used v1-v8 mats anyways. The exception is if you target people with new Vr1 character who need new vr1 gear. That market is going to all but disappear.

Elhanan · May 2016

I hope they find something useful to do with old mats when player housing arrives.

Pandorii · May 2016

@CasNation At least before, I had a reason to keep them for myself. When I'd level a new character, I'd make her vet 1, vet 5, vet 10, and vet 14 gear. I loved experimenting with the unique styles, since it was low stakes. Next patch, I'll never need those mats, like many others. I'm wondering if that will make those mats rare and hard to find on the market (since there will be lower demand) or there will be more on the market (because higher supply as a result of surplus).

Duiwel · May 2016

TBH OP I never used those mats anyway here's the level I used:

Either Or
Level 4 Level 5
Level 10 Level 15
Level 20 Level 25
Level 30
Level 40
VR 1
VR 9
VR14
VR16

So I never actually used that many "inbetween mats"
I mostly gave them to guildies so tbh I don't mind the change. Will free up my sorc's inventory because he is keeping sets and weapons for me for leveling alts come DB

starlizard70ub17_ESO · May 2016

Since I'll have the crafting bag, (ESO+ subber), I'll just keep everything in case they become useful in some future DLC.

idk · May 2016

I am surprised they created a system that eliminated the value of so many matts.

Ourorboros · May 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

@CasNation At least before, I had a reason to keep them for myself. When I'd level a new character, I'd make her vet 1, vet 5, vet 10, and vet 14 gear. I loved experimenting with the unique styles, since it was low stakes. Next patch, I'll never need those mats, like many others. I'm wondering if that will make those mats rare and hard to find on the market (since there will be lower demand) or there will be more on the market (because higher supply as a result of surplus).

My thoughts as well. Initially, these mats may be worth no more than vendor price as they get dumped on the market. In the future they may be valuable since there may be few listings of them. On the other hand, with crafting bags, there is no need to get rid of existing supplies. And there are those like me who harvest all resources regardless of level, to refine for upgrade mats. I do agree there will be little use for these mats to actually craft with. I just leveled a few alts to 50 and stopped there knowing they will be CP160 very soon. And until I get serious with them, they can wear the mostly useless v16 ROTW stuffing my mail box.

Pandorii · May 2016

Elhanan wrote: »

I hope they find something useful to do with old mats when player housing arrives.

Ohhh! That's an idea! *wink wink* ZOS.

Reevster · May 2016

Well, VR1 to VR14 mats were not big sellers anyways but ya they will become even less useful with DB seeing people wont need that lvl gear anymore, cept for new comers

Going to hold off getting rid of it all for a bit, I will have crafting bag so going to wait and see..

Defilted · May 2016

I do agree that there is going to be a huge spike in Characters that need CP160 gear because of the new changes.

I do not agree that the 50 to CP 150 is going to be come useless. I also do not agree that Level 1 to level 50 will be come useless either as many new players that come to that game because of the DB DLC are going to want to level quickly and being able to make the training trait that just increases XP is going to be a big sell IMHO.

First spike in sales will be for CP 160 gear, second spike will be new players wanting to level quickly and looking for that training gear and then looking for that 0 to 150 CP gear.

Also IMHO there is going to be a new meta for players that leave characters at any level minus 50 because of the battle grounds that will come out sooner than later. If DAOC is any indication how this will work we will see leveled zones that separate the levels for small scale PVP and twink toons will want their gear to dominate that specific level gap in battle grounds. I could be completely wrong in this predictions but we will see..

starlizard70ub17_ESO · May 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised they created a system that eliminated the value of so many matts.

The system was always there, the switch to CP and the elimination of vet ranks just made it more obvious.

DocFrost72 · May 2016

Only mats I hoard are CP160 ruby tier. The rest I have exactly 200 of, sitting in my bank until crafting bags give me that much more freedom (some 150 bank slots suddenly free O.O).

Having those lower tier mats will be a boon to you one way or the other. I mean, iron is a perfect example of what these items will become post patch, if I'm correct. Overlooked heavily...until someone needs it.

STEVIL · May 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised they created a system that eliminated the value of so many matts.

Reduced, not eliminated. Newer players still have to get thru the initial cp50-80 once.

But, yes, market will die and imo thats great. A whole lot fewer slots cluttering up my crafting table lists.

Good riddance.

However, oddly enough, with the new char slots coming Tues, i am now having my NON-CRAFTERS scrounging in Wrothgar for mats for my next crop.

Nestor · May 2016

The Simple solution would be to make all current Vet Materials be able to make any rank Champ Level Gear. Just have to use more for each tier, which we already do now. It would be nice to sport some Kresh Fiber or Iron Cloth at CP160.

waterfairy · May 2016

There's many people who still haven't reached VR 16 or CP 160, a friend of mine only has 80 CP so he will still need the VR 8 mats after the update.

driosketch · May 2016

I pretty much sold all mats for VR 1- VR 8/9 out of my bank. Then I put the stacks of VR15+ stuff on my crafter into the bank and ended up with more free space on both.

It's not like I used them much anyways, completely skipped VR7/8, I was just hoarding them just in case.

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

Pandorii wrote: »

Yesterday, I was looking through my bank at all the crafting items I had gathered through the last 8 months of playing this game. I had all sorts of potency runes and materiels of each weight in every level tier. They took up a lot of space, and I was thinking about what was essential and non-essential to make room for the new reagents and solvents releasing with the new (not desired) poison system. That's when I had an epiphany. How long in one's ESO life will they actually use vet 1-vet 14 mats? The removal of the veteran ranks is going to have a huge market effect on these items. Most people will already have enough champion points to immediately craft and wear vet15 and vet16 armor. For those few new players who are starting out from scratch in champion points won't take very long to get to 150 or 160. I decided to purge all those useless mats. I won't need them for my alts anymore. People won't need them for themselves, with rare exeptions. RIP crafting as we know it. Only thing I can see them being useful for is leveling up crafting, but most people just decon stuff to level 50, with the exception of provisioning and alchemy.

Get a crafting mule.

I have a nightblade that no longer works correctly for me, so I made him a storage mule. I keep all the lower tier/level crafting mats on him, and leave the Ancestor Silk, Rubedo Leather, Rubedite Ingots, and Ruby Ash in my bank.

As far as the higher tier Mats are concerned, make new stuff.

I have a VR8 Templar that (because of my CP total right now) will be able to wear the highest level gear once DB releases. So last night I went and created him (for now) VR16 weapons and gear, and then improved them all to Purple/Gold.

He wears Light Armor (Magicka Templar), and I went from 2000+ Ancestor Silk down to 950+ in my bank just by getting him outfitted for the inevitable arrival of the DB.

Don't just ditch those "extra" mats (there are never "extra mats" IMO), use them to prepare for the future, OP. As it is, I will be farming more Ancestor Silk as I have a Khajiit Templar who is going to need a full set of max-CP gear as well.

As far as your "RIP crafting as we know it" comment; let's not be too overdramatic... lol

Nestor · May 2016

I have a character that will soon by VR7. Currently is using VR1 gear. No real need to upgrade the equipment. But, I almost made a set of VR7 for him last night, only to realize in a few days, I can make CP150 gear for him. I still have not made any CP160/VR16 gear other than weapons, and may not ever make that level of gear. But, still it does point to little to no demand for any materials in between CP10 and CP150.

Epona222 · May 2016

Elhanan wrote: »

I hope they find something useful to do with old mats when player housing arrives.

What an excellent idea, I'm now looking forward to the thought of mahogany chairs and ironthread curtains! Don't disappoint us on this one ZOS!

NBrookus · May 2016

Elhanan wrote: »

I hope they find something useful to do with old mats when player housing arrives.

Great idea.

clocksstoppe · May 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I am surprised they created a system that eliminated the value of so many matts.

Mats that are not VR16 or maaaaybe VR1 are worthless. What value are you talking about?

Wolfchild07 · May 2016

My VR6 is wearing lvl 46 gear, so I'm not using most of it either, but I'll hang onto it anyway, just because...ridiculous crafting bag capacity. On PTS you can hold over 2k of each material. I dunno how much more, but I'm sure it's quite a large amount.

I think ZOS mentioned some crazy number in one of their vids.

Vaoh · May 2016

WHOA hold on everyone! I'm a classic Elder Scrolls hoarder, and you should not be destroying those mats!

Send them to: Doncellius
PS4 NA

I'll hold on to them for you permanently and even pay you like 10g per stack. Better than destroying them! Plz

luen79rwb17_ESO · May 2016

Yep and I'm happy about that. All those tiers had a meaning back at launch days and early days when you earned "veteran points" (not even actual XP) completing silver and gold content. Leveling VR was much slower and Gold zones were tougher so yeah, had to have good gear in those conditions.

Psyonico · May 2016

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Since I'll have the crafting bag, (ESO+ subber), I'll just keep everything in case they become useful in some future DLC.

This

Didaco · May 2016

I've never stored them in my bank anyway.
Yet the bank is still full... Of monster set pieces that I really am not able to toss away ;_;

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

I dont think the issue is quite as big as you make it out to be, but I do get where you are coming from. I personally dont invest much in terms of gear between level Vet 1 and Vet 16 anyways. You just level too fast. The amount of gold I have made crafting items below the level cap is pretty negligible, and I used to craft a LOT.

For me, my toons get gear at level 4, level 20, level 40, v1, v6, v12, and v16. It doesnt even need to be that many, I just have a Magic set already saved at those levels. On a recent stam toon, he get gear at level 4 and 24, and that was plenty to get him to vet 1.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

CasNation wrote: »

Yep. Welcome to the economy. I honestly don't really have a problem with it. I think the way it is happening is kind of ham-fisted, but it's not like you used v1-v8 mats anyways. The exception is if you target people with new Vr1 character who need new vr1 gear. That market is going to all but disappear.

I think theres really no other way to approach this than to rip the bandaid off as quickly as possible. Its going to hurt the economy up front. But theres always going to be new players approaching the game and will need to climb that 1-160 CP ladder. So while the economy is going to suffer a bit here and now with the sudden change and almost sudden drop off of need for mats CP 1-140. Itll eventually resurface before long.