PvP hands down - it's basically endless entertainment. I do enjoy a bit of PvE though. Imperial City is the perfect goulash in my opinion.

PVE gets old. PVP doesn't.

I enjoy both . If it came to that I'd say for me it's just time to move on .

Its one thing to go up against computer A.I. and another to go up against a real person...

Can I pick endless PvE? I want to explore and find new places just over the hill, which I want to be able to climb or at the bottom of the sea, which I want to be able to swim in. I want to be able to sneak past enemies I don't ever want to fight. Why would any game think I want to kill tigers? And when I get to the end of the map I want to turn around and find the old one changed while I wasn't looking. I don't care about gear; if it keeps me alive then it's good enough.If I chase achievements they should be fun or frivolous. Don't count the livestock I slaughter; count the rats I killed by accident.

I want to be able to pick flowers or fights, build houses or alliances, take what I want or need by stealth or by force. Endless PvE isn't anti-social; there can be parties and dancing contests and general silliness. It can be played solo or cooperatively with your partner, or a group of friends. It can even have PUGs for running dungeons big or small. What it doesn't have is other players forcing me to play their way for any reason.

PvE, easily.

I've been playing MMORPG's since they first started, as it says in my sig. Needless to say, I've been playing in MMO's since before the FPS kiddos ever whined about getting some sort of PvP introduced into the genre. I've also been a steadfast, vocal opponent to any type of PvP in MMORPG's. IMO, PvP goes completely against the grain of what an MMO is at it's very core.

I also know that the largest (best guess-timate is 80+%) population of players in any MMO is found in the PvE side of the games, and that can be found industry-wide. PvP could evaporate from every MMO tomorrow, and most every MMO on the market right now would keep plugging along just fine.

If people want the Massively Multiplayer aspects but mixed with FPS PvP, then MOBA's are probably a better fit for those players rather than an MMORPG. Those games are designed with PvP at their core, and those FPS players can leave the MMO genre in peace.

PvP has zero place in any MMORPG.

Anhedonie wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

I prefer cooperation over competition.

I prefer cooperation AND competition.

You need more categories, as I usually can't stand questing yet I love completing difficult group content and being competitive.

Poll says pick one.

Competitive PvE
Casual PvE
PvP
etc., etc.,.

You can still pick one with more than 2 options

I like competitive PvE and not casual PvE.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

PvE, easily.

I've been playing MMORPG's since they first started, as it says in my sig. Needless to say, I've been playing in MMO's since before the FPS kiddos ever whined about getting some sort of PvP introduced into the genre. I've also been a steadfast, vocal opponent to any type of PvP in MMORPG's. IMO, PvP goes completely against the grain of what an MMO is at it's very core.

I also know that the largest (best guess-timate is 80+%) population of players in any MMO is found in the PvE side of the games, and that can be found industry-wide. PvP could evaporate from every MMO tomorrow, and most every MMO on the market right now would keep plugging along just fine.

If people want the Massively Multiplayer aspects but mixed with FPS PvP, then MOBA's are probably a better fit for those players rather than an MMORPG. Those games are designed with PvP at their core, and those FPS players can leave the MMO genre in peace.

PvP has zero place in any MMORPG.

You sound like an old man that can't handle the fact that things evolve and change over time.

Ì enjoy both, but PVP is far more repeatable, and far more interesting in the long term.

Knightpanther wrote: »

you can just wander around admiring the scenery,

On lazy days I get up in the morning, hop into Cyrodiil and find plenty of admiring scenery. Plenty of interesting sights to discover while you are off the path and into the wilds of Cyrodiil.

Why just yesterday, I found a camp of refugees from Hackdirt whom I have not seen before. I sat down with them, and listened to their story. Filthy and covered in dirt, they were full of despair, anger, and fear. They blamed their situation on the war for the Ruby Throne and claimed no one would come to help them stomp out the Blackdaggers gang that over ran their poor farming community. For once in a long time, I felt bad about participating in the war. Because these refugees are the real losers in war.

Knightpanther wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

PvE, easily.

I've been playing MMORPG's since they first started, as it says in my sig. Needless to say, I've been playing in MMO's since before the FPS kiddos ever whined about getting some sort of PvP introduced into the genre. I've also been a steadfast, vocal opponent to any type of PvP in MMORPG's. IMO, PvP goes completely against the grain of what an MMO is at it's very core.

I also know that the largest (best guess-timate is 80+%) population of players in any MMO is found in the PvE side of the games, and that can be found industry-wide. PvP could evaporate from every MMO tomorrow, and most every MMO on the market right now would keep plugging along just fine.

If people want the Massively Multiplayer aspects but mixed with FPS PvP, then MOBA's are probably a better fit for those players rather than an MMORPG. Those games are designed with PvP at their core, and those FPS players can leave the MMO genre in peace.

PvP has zero place in any MMORPG.

You sound like an old man that can't handle the fact that things evolve and change over time.

Things don't always change for the best my son

Does not matter, they still change. My point stands.
And regarding good or bad: That is subjective.

Fighting lag is harder than fighting other players on PvP.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Knightpanther wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

PvE, easily.

I've been playing MMORPG's since they first started, as it says in my sig. Needless to say, I've been playing in MMO's since before the FPS kiddos ever whined about getting some sort of PvP introduced into the genre. I've also been a steadfast, vocal opponent to any type of PvP in MMORPG's. IMO, PvP goes completely against the grain of what an MMO is at it's very core.

I also know that the largest (best guess-timate is 80+%) population of players in any MMO is found in the PvE side of the games, and that can be found industry-wide. PvP could evaporate from every MMO tomorrow, and most every MMO on the market right now would keep plugging along just fine.

If people want the Massively Multiplayer aspects but mixed with FPS PvP, then MOBA's are probably a better fit for those players rather than an MMORPG. Those games are designed with PvP at their core, and those FPS players can leave the MMO genre in peace.

PvP has zero place in any MMORPG.

You sound like an old man that can't handle the fact that things evolve and change over time.

Things don't always change for the best my son

Does not matter, they still change. My point stands.
And regarding good or bad: That is subjective.

Sure, things "change and evolve". That's why MOBA's were created, and most every FPS is more "Online Shooter" than focused on the campaign.

Buy my point still stands as well.

PvP goes against the very core nature of what an MMORPG is. A massive, majority focus on PvE. Quest depth, variety of content, and allowing for immersive Role Playing byt the design of the world. PvP has no place in that, and adding PvP into the MMORPG genre was a mistake that developers are only now beginning to correct.

And they're correcting it by focusing more and more on the PvE aspects; and less and less on the PvP.

They're letting FPS's and MOBA's have the PvP niche. MMORPG's are slowly transitioning back to PvE-only experiences, and that transition cannot complete itself soon enough IMO.

I don't quite get how you arrive to your definition of the very core of an MMORPG. It's a virtual world, where players interact with each other. How they interact is not defined. That is the core. In your opinion it's only PvE.
And I don't see this mistake you speak of, in fact the coming MMORPG's more or less all contain some sort of PvP. Seems as if these developers disagree with your point of view. Same goes for ESO: The additional content (in form of zones and such) may be PvE, but balance happens mostly around PvP. Arenas and Battlegrounds are coming. PvP sets are being introduced and upscaled. I don't see how your point may be valid that MMORPG's are transitioning to a PvE only thing.

no question...PvE

PvP isn't even good in this game compared to other games within the same genre and others.