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The CXP given at DB release is unfair
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RandalMarrs wrote: »It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.
ok well theyre making it harder with the fact that youre gonna gain 26 million CXP and i only gain 10 million. why
You do realize that, by the time those of us past the cap can actually use the bonus 40 cp, the scaling of the catch up mechanic means that those cp will cost significantly less than what they cost now, right?
ok well why are they giving you 26 million CXP and others 10 million CXP? why not just give everyone 20 million or something like that?
Because the way the catch up mechanic and cap are designed the cost of each cp is devalued over time, with ones earned over the cap subject to more harsh devaluations. This means that the 26 million and 10 million numbers you threw out will converge over time making your entire argument ring hollow.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
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✭✭RandalMarrs wrote: »It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.
ok well theyre making it harder with the fact that youre gonna gain 26 million CXP and i only gain 10 million. why
It is to make up for how much harder it was for us to get our CP before the catch up mechanic. That is why. Someone who earned most of their champ points before the catch up mechanic had to gain way more xp than someone who earned all of theirs after the catch up mechanic was in place. Why don't you want to talk about that xp difference? If you're all about fairness, how is that fair?PC/EU DC2 -
RandalMarrs✭✭✭BlackguardBob wrote: »The 40 CP is compensation, it is not a gift that is unfairly distributed to some while others are denied.
The players who are sub L50 at the point of DB entry to ESO will find the game much more rewarding with less effort to gain experience and CP than those being compensated previously encountered.
VR16 players have had little to do for a long time now but with the new patch coming, it will be more encouraging to begin playing with alt characters.
I imagine a large number of VR 16 players who gain the 40 CPs will not actually benefit from them directly because of the CP cap of 501.
Don't know why the OP is crying foul!
lol no ones "crying foul" in your old person terms whatever that means. Im just saying i want us to be given the same amount of CXP at DB so that it makes it easier for me to catch up when they raise the CP cap and ur already at 550
Ummm old person terms? Think you might have explained a lot about the reasoning behind your post. Suffice it to say life isn't necessarily fair but this game is being more than fair.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sadly, there are going to be a lot more threads like this one after Dark Brotherhood comes out ... where we'll have to explain the CP catch-up all over again.2 -
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✭✭sekou_trayvond wrote: »I want to go to that place where CP equals skill because I have 500 CP and I bloody suck at PvP.
I soooo feel your pain, mate...1 -
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✭✭✭✭Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ??
Let's be clear here.
It's not "everyone" it's "every account".
I have one account that DOES have at least one Vet16 character.
My other one does not.
You can see where this is going.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Psyonico✭✭✭It's a game... enjoy the content and don't worry about the end goal. I spent the last 2 weeks grinding from v8 to v16 and it was nowhere near as fun as i had just playing the game.
160 does not mean you're level v16, so there are some people who will effectively get free levels out of the deal0 -
Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP's tears are delicious...@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."6 -
Gamerscape2007✭✭✭✭I don't think people realize is the fact once the current cp cap will be lifted, this will matter since the people are 40 cp more powerful, and the people who are under 501 Cp will be gimped. Telling the op that "His tears are delicious" Is just a strawman argument at best.0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think ZOSE should give CP on dark brotherhood based on your current amount of CP. not just give 40 to everyone. Or just give a set amount of CHampion xp to everyone so people gain different amount depending on where they are on the cp spectrum
They're not giving 40 CPs to everyone.They're only giving them to people with V16 characters.
At least this is what I have read.0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's a game... enjoy the content and don't worry about the end goal. I spent the last 2 weeks grinding from v8 to v16 and it was nowhere near as fun as i had just playing the game.
160 does not mean you're level v16, so there are some people who will effectively get free levels out of the deal
You have more perseverativeness (is that even a word?) than I do. Grinding two levels was enough for me to swear of it forever.
Heck, if I get riding lessons on more than one character a session, I start to feel grindy.
I really prefer to just relax, enjoy and occasionally spaz about my need for more space to store all my in-game crap.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
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✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »The ONE advantage this gives is for players who rise one character to V16 as opposed to players who spend the same time raising eight characters to V2.
Since most players focus on their main before worrying about alts... I'd say the player population is hugely skewed towards those who benefot more, and against those who actually would have reason to complain.
Players who got to V16 with one character... will all gain the same, no matter how many other characters they got to what rank. Just as salve for seeing all those hard earned ranks vanish and everyone becoming "level 50"
New players who haven't... will have to make the most of the catchup mechanic, that's what its there for.
And players already at or over cap... will get it, and not be able to use it - the only effect for those will be that it makes getting more useless CP even harder by pushing up the XP they need to gain them.
Actually,if most players focused on one main character,then why would there be such an outcry for more character slots? Enough so that ZOS is making more available. That says that there are a whole lot of players who want to play the field,so to speak.Not just their main.
Many players that I have seen here in the forums dont seem to have V16s.I know I got tired of mine once he got past Cadwell,into Silver,at Level 46 or so.Cant remember which level,but it wasnt V1 yet.
My highest is V5,close to V6,and I love playing my alts much more than I do him.He is for gathering high end mats,and stuff like that. I plan to dump some of my alts once they get to the end of the main quest,and have done all the side ones.So I can make new ones.It's much more fun in the lower levels.The people are all around,and they love to join you in grouping up,..PUGS,I think everyone calls them.I love PUGs.
I hate the vet zones,as it is like being the last person on the planet. It's just boring for me,..myself.0 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭OP just wants a champion XP value instead of flat points. Meaning people with lower CP would get more CP than people with say 300+ CP. And since enlightenment decreases the required XP to gain a CP, someone with max enlightenment could capitalize on a bonus XP value. Probably why everyone will get points instead of XP value.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.1 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.
Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober
Eh... that extra CP is worthless for me. Already 100 over cap and I play casually (aint done any XP earning for a month now)0 -
Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭We cant even use those extra 40cp and when they raise that cap the cp will be cheaper at 400 then it is now.1
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭C'mon ZOS. Give me CP's for forum posts. How can I get to max lvl if you don't...?1
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Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭Why are the older players richer than me and have better gears? How is this fair for new players with less golds? Golds/rewards earned should be based on the current golds you have, the more golds you have the less golds you will earn from quest/mob kills!
Seriously, you want it, you earn it. Everyone gets 40 CPs. You think it is not fair? GO SPEND TIME WORKING ON MORE CPs instead of crying for it being not fair. This game should reward people who spends more time, instead of catering to jealous/entitled people like you.1 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Why are the older players richer than me and have better gears? How is this fair for new players with less golds? Golds/rewards earned should be based on the current golds you have, the more golds you have the less golds you will earn from quest/mob kills!
Seriously, you want it, you earn it. Everyone gets 40 CPs. You think it is not fair? GO SPEND TIME WORKING ON MORE CPs instead of crying for it being not fair. This game should reward people who spends more time, instead of catering to jealous/entitled people like you.
That first section almost sounds like political rabble. Wealth sharing and whatnot.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What the OP mentions is true. 40 CP to someone with only 160 cost a lot less XP than 40 CP to someone with 460 CP. That means that the person with 460 CP are getting something far more valuable because it is equal to a lot more XP.
Big deal. Life isn't fair. They want to make sure that everyone can still wear their armor. I don't see a need to make a complicated formula for handling this.0 -
Darth_Trumpious✭✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Why are the older players richer than me and have better gears? How is this fair for new players with less golds? Golds/rewards earned should be based on the current golds you have, the more golds you have the less golds you will earn from quest/mob kills!
Seriously, you want it, you earn it. Everyone gets 40 CPs. You think it is not fair? GO SPEND TIME WORKING ON MORE CPs instead of crying for it being not fair. This game should reward people who spends more time, instead of catering to jealous/entitled people like you.
That first section almost sounds like political rabble. Wealth sharing and whatnot.
Yea... if we let more jealous/entitled people crying and lobbying on the forum I am pretty sure more political rabble like this will roll out. Soon there might be craps like gold cap, gear cap etc.
How is it fair that the vet players accumulated the CPs when there's no catch-up system and each costs 400k (significantly higher to reach the cap) and OP never mentioned that fact while only crying to nerf everyone who receives "more" than him?
Welcome to ESO, the game which penalizes people who spend more time playing.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GivvumBoane wrote: »OP just wants a champion XP value instead of flat points. Meaning people with lower CP would get more CP than people with say 300+ CP. And since enlightenment decreases the required XP to gain a CP, someone with max enlightenment could capitalize on a bonus XP value. Probably why everyone will get points instead of XP value.
What they could have done is give everyone at v16 the amount of XP it takes to go from 120 CP to 160 CP. That would endure that all v16 get to 160 and would avoid the additional bonus to those with more CP.
In order to also apply this to people below v16, they would need some less straightforward formula. Perhaps they get XP based on a fraction of the champion XP needed for 120-160. So if it takes N XP to go from 120-160, a v4 would get (4/16)*N XP or N/4 XP.0 -
Thrasher91604✭✭✭✭✭CP is nearly nothing in comparison to skill and connection speed and quality. Really nothing to worry about unless you are one of the best players and your connection is superb.Edited by Thrasher91604 on May 24, 2016 1:31AM1 -
zFib✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »Why are the older players richer than me and have better gears? How is this fair for new players with less golds? Golds/rewards earned should be based on the current golds you have, the more golds you have the less golds you will earn from quest/mob kills!
Seriously, you want it, you earn it. Everyone gets 40 CPs. You think it is not fair? GO SPEND TIME WORKING ON MORE CPs instead of crying for it being not fair. This game should reward people who spends more time, instead of catering to jealous/entitled people like you.
ahah shut up shut up i have 700k gold and a vet 16 redguard dk i 2 shot people with WB leap combo i love this game and everything im not saying anything about gear or gold or rewards or any of that so that all was pointless but all im saying is they should give CXP instead of a # of cp so its even across the board.0 -
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zFib✭✭✭Darth_Trumpious wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »Darth_Trumpious wrote: »while only crying to nerf everyone who receives "more" than him?
Welcome to ESO, the game which penalizes people who spend more time playing.
whos crying to nerf everyone with more CP? you clearly havent read the posts you should probably go back. Im saying they should give CXP instead of 40 cp so the gift of cp at DB release is even across the board.
read b4 you comment. you sound like the one crying0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Gamerscape2007 wrote: »I don't think people realize is the fact once the current cp cap will be lifted, this will matter since the people are 40 cp more powerful, and the people who are under 501 Cp will be gimped. Telling the op that "His tears are delicious" Is just a strawman argument at best.
I realise it and am already over the NEXT cap. Many of us who have been in since Beta and have MULTIPLE VR16s and thousands of hours played. So someone who is starting off should be where I am? Let them do the grind for a few thousand hours and we'll talk."Get off my lawn!"4