The CXP given at DB release is unfair

kungmoo · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

so you think its fair that ill have to work way harder for those 40 cp when i reach the cap than you did? No thats not fair

and those CP that your earning now at 100k xp or less.... that a lot of us had to earn 400k xp for each before the catch up mechanic... how was that fair?

sekou_trayvond · May 2016

I want to go to that place where CP equals skill because I have 500 CP and I bloody suck at PvP.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

kungmoo wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

so you think its fair that ill have to work way harder for those 40 cp when i reach the cap than you did? No thats not fair

and those CP that your earning now at 100k xp or less.... that a lot of us had to earn 400k xp for each before the catch up mechanic... how was that fair?

Really. They can hit 160 CP with enlightenment before vet 12. Don't hear anyone complaining about instantly getting to equip v16 gear for having 160 CP. I hit 164 CP at vet 13, and I didn't FULLY utilize the enlightenment. When DB drops, I'll be able to use rubedite, ancestor silk, and the like for my gear. Not only do they want their cake and eat it too, but they want your cake as well.

Defilted · May 2016

I think the catch up mechanics are fine. I scheduled out my grind to have 461 by the time DB drops and then will be maxed. MMO's are about time invested. ZOS does not have a Bernie Sanders handing out CP for good reason. Everyone including my self has had to spend time getting the vet levels and the CP. Why is it not "fair" that you do the same.

This post seems to be about two things.
1. You do not want to put in the time that the rest of these people have put in to get to 501 and you want a hand out.
2. The last few CP levels before you get to 501 are harder to get for the very reasons of posts like this.

ZOS announced this a while ago and you have had a lot of time to get there or at least to 461 before drop. You are just going to have to spend the time. MMO's will always see the people that reach end game have more success and I for one would never want to see a MMO where the new player is just as strong as the ones that have been here playing and grinding and practicing for a long period of time.

If you want new or casual players to have all the advantages of the old ones you need to play competitive games like Team fortress or Overwatch.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Defilted wrote: »

I think the catch up mechanics are fine. I scheduled out my grind to have 461 by the time DB drops and then will be maxed. MMO's are about time invested. ZOS does not have a Bernie Sanders handing out CP for good reason. Everyone including my self has had to spend time getting the vet levels and the CP. Why is it not "fair" that you do the same.

This post seems to be about two things.
1. You do not want to put in the time that the rest of these people have put in to get to 501 and you want a hand out.
2. The last few CP levels before you get to 501 are harder to get for the very reasons of posts like this.

ZOS announced this a while ago and you have had a lot of time to get there or at least to 461 before drop. You are just going to have to spend the time. MMO's will always see the people that reach end game have more success and I for one would never want to see a MMO where the new player is just as strong as the ones that have been here playing and grinding and practicing for a long period of time.

If you want new or casual players to have all the advantages of the old ones you need to play competitive games like Team fortress or Overwatch.

I feel the catch up system is fine, but I think the 160 point marker should be increased, due to the enlightenment. My v13 shouldn't be able to wear v16 equivalent gear. I'm not complaining about anything other than rooks and casuals wanting everything for nothing. I, in no way expected to get bumped to v16 equivalent, but I look at it as a boon. Give an inch, they want a mile, give a fool a rope and he'll want to be a cowboy

sirrmattus · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

this doesn't even make sense. there is a reason they made azuras a non cp campaign, go play there til you are competitive.

Luigi_Vampa · May 2016

You're right OP. It isn't fair. They should add up all the experience for those of us who earned the bulk of their CP when each point cost 400,000xp, apply it to how much we would have earned if we had the catch up mechanic and give us the CP difference. I mean, how is it fair that I had to work harder and earn more xp for each champion point than you?

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

You're right OP. It isn't fair. They should add up all the experience for those of us who earned the bulk of their CP when each point cost 400,000xp, apply it to how much we would have earned if we had the catch up mechanic and give us the CP difference. I mean, how is it fair that I had to work harder and earn more xp for each champion point than you?

I agree, and I started playing on Xbox 1. Enlightenment either already existed or came in before I hit vet level. I believe you guys on pc, playing before enlightenment, got boned by that change.

Gidorick · May 2016

That'll just make those without the 40 CP have a better catch up rate.

All's good man.

Stefirex · May 2016

Hey ZOS. Do us all a favor and NERF Whining in the forums!

Autolycus · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

I can debunk this for you.

Someone who currently has 500+ CP, for starters, already grinded out a great deal more than what you're stating is being awarded for nothing. Remember, several months back the amount of exp required to advance in CP was reduced, alongside of the catch-up feature. Many players at this point had already grinded their way to the cap and have been there since. Most people who have this many CP also have 4+ vr16 characters, which is the primary method of obtaining CP in the quickest way (leveling a new veteran toon).

Additionally, 40 CP is being given to players who have multiple veteran characters. Remember, it takes a long time to get from vr1 to vr16. Giving players 40 CP to make up for removing all of those ranks is literally the least they could do. I can get 40 CP way faster than I can get a character to vr16 in today's game. And that's not being given for every vr16 character, it's simply just 40 CP. So players who have 8 vr16 toons are getting the same as someone with 2 vr16 toons.

Finally, and most importantly, anyone who is currently at the CP cap will have no use for these additional CP. For someone who plays daily, once at the cap, always at the cap. They aren't widening the disparity between high CP players and low CP players here, because those CP can't even be used. They just sit in a pool and wait for the next time ZOS raises the cap. CP-capped players cannot progress any further than what you see. If you're at 100 CP today, you can always increase that and catch up to someone with 500. That person with 500 is going to stay at 500.

TLDR: It's not unfair for players who aren't at the CP cap, because those players can't even use that CP anyway. Those players put a considerable amount of time and effort into getting those characters to vr16. Awarding 40 CP to those players is literally the least ZOS can do to compensate for that time investment.

JD2013 · May 2016

Been here since waaaay before the CP system came in, still not at 501.

I don't play as much as others at all, and I haven't done a whole lot of grinding. Should be at about 400 by time DB comes. I do have a V16 so those 40 bonus points will be nice.

People have been playing much longer than you and got their CP's fair and square, OP. If you want to have the same amount, you work for it. There's catch up mechanics etc. It's perfectly fair that they have more points than you. What's not fair is that they can't use past 501.

Work for it or don't. Those are your choices.

phairdon · May 2016

40cp for having VR16 characters as a one off, or 40cp per VR16 character?

Luigi_Vampa · May 2016

phairdon wrote: »

40cp for having VR16 characters as a one off, or 40cp per VR16 character?

One off. You only get 40 regardless of how many V16s you have.

BlackguardBob · May 2016

The 40 CP is compensation, it is not a gift that is unfairly distributed to some while others are denied.

The players who are sub L50 at the point of DB entry to ESO will find the game much more rewarding with less effort to gain experience and CP than those being compensated previously encountered.

VR16 players have had little to do for a long time now but with the new patch coming, it will be more encouraging to begin playing with alt characters.

I imagine a large number of VR 16 players who gain the 40 CPs will not actually benefit from them directly because of the CP cap of 501.

Don't know why the OP is crying foul!

zFib · May 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

@zFib What level are you? Do you have a Veteran Rank character? How long have you been playing the game?

I have been playing the game since console release. I started on XBOX EU because XBOX NA was overcrowded and i couldnt get in at launch. ( i didnt know characters didnt transfer on the 2 servers.) i switched to PC NA when ZOS announced the cake buff because my ping was unbearable on EU due to updates, couldnt even CC break. So ive been grinding and leveling since the cake buff on PC NA. I have a v16 DK redguard a v1 redguard NB, and a v1 High elf NB.

zFib · May 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

They stated on ESO live that the extra CP's were a thank you to the games long time player-base!

Not a thank you to brand new players who just started playing the game a couple months ago... Although if you managed to hit Vet Ranks in a short period of time then you get the benefit of 2.5 CP's per Vet Rank accrued...

What's so hard to understand about that?

Just enjoy the game if you enjoy the game... The CP catch up mechanic will have you at cap in no time anyways...

wtf are you saying dude i totally understand i get 2.5 cp per vet rank i never once said i dont understand that.

zFib · May 2016

Wolfkeks wrote: »

You'll catch up with enough training, there will be no doubt.
But old players need something to come back, so I think it's fair
Or do you have a better suggestion?

yes if u would have read the posts you would see that my suggestion was to give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release

RandalMarrs · May 2016

They are giving people who have put more investment a larger reward. Everyone is getting free cp, scaled based on their investment, in fact someone with multiple vet 16s actually gets rewarded less in a fashion. How is that not fair?

zFib · May 2016

Defilted wrote: »

I think the catch up mechanics are fine. I scheduled out my grind to have 461 by the time DB drops and then will be maxed. MMO's are about time invested. ZOS does not have a Bernie Sanders handing out CP for good reason. Everyone including my self has had to spend time getting the vet levels and the CP. Why is it not "fair" that you do the same.

This post seems to be about two things.
1. You do not want to put in the time that the rest of these people have put in to get to 501 and you want a hand out.
2. The last few CP levels before you get to 501 are harder to get for the very reasons of posts like this.

ZOS announced this a while ago and you have had a lot of time to get there or at least to 461 before drop. You are just going to have to spend the time. MMO's will always see the people that reach end game have more success and I for one would never want to see a MMO where the new player is just as strong as the ones that have been here playing and grinding and practicing for a long period of time.

If you want new or casual players to have all the advantages of the old ones you need to play competitive games like Team fortress or Overwatch.

i think your misunderstanding what im saying. all im saying is they should give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release. rather than you getting 25,000,000 xp and me getting say 10,000,000. why wouldnt they just make the cp bonus given at DB equal for u and me?

nimander99 · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

You'll catch up with enough training, there will be no doubt.
But old players need something to come back, so I think it's fair
Or do you have a better suggestion?

yes if u would have read the posts you would see that my suggestion was to give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release

In the amount of time you've spent monitoring this thread today you could've hit Vet Rank 16 and been done with the whole issue...

Valrien · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

You'll catch up with enough training, there will be no doubt.
But old players need something to come back, so I think it's fair
Or do you have a better suggestion?

yes if u would have read the posts you would see that my suggestion was to give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release

The amount of exp matters very little. If someone has 461 CP, and someone has 501 CP...sure the 501 CP guy gets more bang for his buck in exp, but they'll effectively both be at 501 since the cap doesn't get raised.

That being said, why should I get less CP for my effort than someone who only has 160 with a flat value? I assume you'll want a participation trophy and a safe space while you're at it?

TheSpin · May 2016

I don't see a problem with their reward system. I'm pretty casual, only been playing a few months and hit VR1 maybe 2 weeks ago. I'm now VR3 and closing on VR 4 and I've had enlightenment the whole time. I have 40ish CP. All I've done since I hit VR1 was finish coldharbour, the thieves guild timeline, and about half of the first zone in Silver... and maybe 3 dungeons, one was a Vet dungeon.

When the expansion comes out, I should be maybe VR 6ish (PS4) so I'll get 15 CP for my VR levels. So I estimate that after about 2.5 months (less really because my 2nd character became my main) I'll be 50 with atleast 70ish CP. Sure others will still be stronger, but this is just after 2 months when others have been playing 6 times longer. If you already have 500 CP the 40 extra won't really benefit them as much as someone who only has 30 and gets 10 extra.

zFib · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

You'll catch up with enough training, there will be no doubt.
But old players need something to come back, so I think it's fair
Or do you have a better suggestion?

yes if u would have read the posts you would see that my suggestion was to give a flat amount of champion xp rather than giving a set number of CP, that way everyone is getting an equal benefit during DB release

The amount of exp matters very little. If someone has 461 CP, and someone has 501 CP...sure the 501 CP guy gets more bang for his buck in exp, but they'll effectively both be at 501 since the cap doesn't get raised.

That being said, why should I get less CP for my effort than someone who only has 160 with a flat value? I assume you'll want a participation trophy and a safe space while you're at it?

No i dont want a trophy or a safe space lol i just want us to be given the same amount of CXP at DB so that it makes it easier for me to catch up when they raise the CP cap and ur already at 550

RandalMarrs · May 2016

It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.

zFib · May 2016

BlackguardBob wrote: »

The 40 CP is compensation, it is not a gift that is unfairly distributed to some while others are denied.

The players who are sub L50 at the point of DB entry to ESO will find the game much more rewarding with less effort to gain experience and CP than those being compensated previously encountered.

VR16 players have had little to do for a long time now but with the new patch coming, it will be more encouraging to begin playing with alt characters.

I imagine a large number of VR 16 players who gain the 40 CPs will not actually benefit from them directly because of the CP cap of 501.

Don't know why the OP is crying foul!

lol no ones "crying foul" in your old person terms whatever that means. Im just saying i want us to be given the same amount of CXP at DB so that it makes it easier for me to catch up when they raise the CP cap and ur already at 550

zFib · May 2016

RandalMarrs wrote: »

It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.

ok well theyre making it harder with the fact that youre gonna gain 26 million CXP and i only gain 10 million. why

wayfarerx · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

RandalMarrs wrote: »

It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.

ok well theyre making it harder with the fact that youre gonna gain 26 million CXP and i only gain 10 million. why

You do realize that, by the time those of us past the cap can actually use the bonus 40 cp, the scaling of the catch up mechanic means that those cp will cost significantly less than what they cost now, right?

zFib · May 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

zFib wrote: »

RandalMarrs wrote: »

It's already been made easier to catch up. More than once.

ok well theyre making it harder with the fact that youre gonna gain 26 million CXP and i only gain 10 million. why

You do realize that, by the time those of us past the cap can actually use the bonus 40 cp, the scaling of the catch up mechanic means that those cp will cost significantly less than what they cost now, right?

ok well why are they giving you 26 million CXP and others 10 million CXP? why not just give everyone 20 million or something like that?

TheSpin · May 2016

@zFib

VR16s are already ahead of you in game progression. I don't understand why you think they should be less ahead of you just because they make this change.

In fact, if you aren't VR16 yet, you can double dip in XP until the DLC releases by gaining both CP and gaining Vet Levels which are going to be converted into CP. People who are already VR16 and have been for a while don't get the benefit of 'double dipping' in xp right now.