The CXP given at DB release is unfair

thesesneaksaredopeb14a_ESO · May 2016

Your basically angry because ppl have been playing longer than you? cmon man...

rootimus · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

if Zen wanted the pain of the grind why would they be removing vet ranks next patch?

They're not removing them, they're re-naming them. There's a direct correlation between the current veteran ranks and the new champion levels; it's just smoke and mirrors.

Edit: Grammar.

waterfairy · May 2016

I thought every VR above 160 CP will get free CP with the update...VR 16 will just get the most CP boost and rightly so as it took them longer to get there then lower VR characters.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Well I guess the gimme squad is on full alert. "Boo hoo, The game has been out a couple of years and I just started playing. I want to be where the top guys are. Nerf all this content so I can get there asap." B.S. With enlightenment, it is easy as hell to get CP. Everybody wants stuff they didn't earn. I'm guessing OP doesn't have a v16 character. Maybe we should give him one of those too.

twev · May 2016

Woeler wrote: »

How is it fair that I can't even use them? How about that hmm?

And seriously, there is a catch up mechanic for cp and a cap. The "I can't keep up" argument died a long time ago. Then again, invested time should pay off, it is normal for people that invest more time to be better or have more cp. Or shall we start punishing people for playing?

So, stop posting, get grinding I'd say.

Nah.
You should be taxed 90%, and have the CP distributed to the lower classes who can't keep up.

Is it their fault that they don't have the time to make the effort?

Villainy, says I.

::stirs the pot just a little more....::

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Well I guess the gimme squad is on full alert. "Boo hoo, The game has been out a couple of years and I just started playing. I want to be where the top guys are. Nerf all this content so I can get there asap." B.S. With enlightenment, it is easy as hell to get CP. Everybody wants stuff they didn't earn. I'm guessing OP doesn't have a v16 character. Maybe we should give him one of those too.[/quote]

You forgot the monkey the betatesters got........

ArchMikem · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ??

The amount of Points a person has doesn't matter, it's the level character they have. If they already have a Vet16 character, they'll get the bonus, if they don't, they won't. I have a character that's just three levels shy of Vet16 yet I only have 290 points, nowhere near the amounts other players have.

Really though compared to the Vet levels, Champion Points are easy to earn. You can easily get 40 points yourself by just playing the game as usual for about a couple weeks.

idk · May 2016

OP has a point. Newer players should have to level their first character to cp 160 before they obtain max level. Of cp 160.

Oh, forgot, that is how it will be. All is fair.

To the OP, every game has a leveling mechanism. Only thing that is changing here is what that mechanism is. You MUST level up your first character to the equivalent of what max level is now before getting upset about this.

Put in the time and effort rather than complain because others have.

susmitds · May 2016

Dude, it took me just 3 months of normal play to 501 CP. No grinding included. Enlightenment is there for a reason.

Wolfkeks · May 2016

Well, I get your point but even if they raise the cap, they'll probably not raise the cap from 501 to let's say 700 all of the sudden.
Also even if you have over 500 CP doesn't mean you're an overall good player. If you play a stamina NB and put all your CP into magic you will have a problem

I'm the best example, until someone explained to me how to use my CP I simply ignored that I had them

(didn't play the game for some time)

rotaugen454 · May 2016

Life isn't fair, wear a helmet!

Nefas · May 2016

OP, you should've played when 1 CP was 400,000 XP for everyone and tried fighting somebody with 900 CP in PvP without the CP cap.

As others already said, you can catch up on CP easily (especially with Enlightenment as it stacks for up to 12 days I believe on one character if you don't play much). Even if those at 501 CP get 40 more CP, they cannot spend that CP anyhow until the next CP cap raise (which isn't any time soon). So until that CP cap raise, you have plenty of time to catch up.

zFIB wrote:

How you perform is too heavily dependent on your cp.

Bad players will still be bad players. On EU PTS I've seen those with 300 CP duel those with ~500, ~700 CP and win.

zFIB wrote:

They are increasing the cap by 50 for all the dlc releases after DB.

I don't recall reading about this, can you provide a link?

zFIB wrote:

if Zen wanted the pain of the grind why would they be removing vet ranks next patch?

Because it doesn't make sense for somebody who've made a Veteran Rank 16 character 2-6 times over and over to keep grinding ranks. Veteran Ranks at this point are nothing more than time buffers especially for those who are new to it or those who are already near/past CP cap.

Understand that you will instead be "grinding" CP rather than Veteran Ranks which will be far, far easier than grinding 850,000 XP per rank.

nimander99 · May 2016

You do understand that the points are being given to people with Veteran Rank Level Character's right? You understand that don't you?

Ghost-Shot · May 2016

Life isn't fair, get over it.

raasdal · May 2016

Wow. Just wow...

Zos makes a catch up mechanic, to make it easy to get CP at low levels.

AND NOW you feel so entitled, that because your "low level" CP are technically worth less XP - with a big effing "technically", you cry about it? That is the equivalent of everyone getting a 10% salary increase - and you are being the one bitching about how the CEO got a larger raise in cold amount.

It is honestly people like you who ruining all games for the rest of us. Did you get left out of presents at christmas as a child, or what?

And FYI - i am 300CP.

Kalebron · May 2016

Honestly, CP will not matter one bit unless this update is a major game changer. I am quitting after this next release if things do not get better. By better, I mean people come back to ESO. Many guilds are having issues with keeping people and there are many dead spaces. Not trying to be negative, just realistic. So, don't fret about CP.

zFib · May 2016

my concern here is that people who are already at an advantage in terms of cp are getting even more of an advantage on DB release. Theyre getting more than double the amount of champion XP than people who are at lower cp.

zFib · May 2016

raasdal wrote: »

Wow. Just wow...

Zos makes a catch up mechanic, to make it easy to get CP at low levels.

AND NOW you feel so entitled, that because your "low level" CP are technically worth less XP - with a big effing "technically", you cry about it? That is the equivalent of everyone getting a 10% salary increase - and you are being the one bitching about how the CEO got a larger raise in cold amount.

It is honestly people like you who ruining all games for the rest of us. Did you get left out of presents at christmas as a child, or what?

And FYI - i am 300CP.

PLEASE tell me how im ruining all games for everyone? lol wtf are u saying.

Runs · May 2016

I understand what you mean when you say it is unfair...

Someone with a VR16 and 161 CP is going to get bumped to 201 CP which would equal 7,339,406 Exp
Someone with a VR16 and 461 CP is going to get bumped to 501 CP which would equal 17,222,723 Exp.

And the Exp gain becomes even greater after 501 when they start getting real expensive per CP.

But here is why I really don't care...

Many of the people with high CP many of them earned at 400k exp per CP and then once the catch up mechanic was introduced it cost them even more than the 400k exp to continue to earn them.

Someone that grinds out 501 CP with the catch up mechanics takes about 120,600,000 Exp to do so.
Someone who ground out 501 CP before the catch mechanics took exactly 200,400,000 Exp to do so.

To them the catch up mechanics itself could be considered unfair. So they get a little bit back that likely they will never be able to use anyway unless ZOS significantly ups the cap.

Some updates we are the statue, and others we are the bird. Maybe to make it fair they just don't give anyone 40 free cp and everyone go back to it taking 400k per CP...

zFib · May 2016

Runs wrote: »

I understand what you mean when you say it is unfair...

Someone with a VR16 and 161 CP is going to get bumped to 201 CP which would equal 7,339,406 Exp
Someone with a VR16 and 461 CP is going to get bumped to 501 CP which would equal 17,222,723 Exp.

And the Exp gain becomes even greater after 501 when they start getting real expensive per CP.

But here is why I really don't care...

Many of the people with high CP many of them earned at 400k exp per CP and then once the catch up mechanic was introduced it cost them even more than the 400k exp to continue to earn them.

Someone that grinds out 501 CP with the catch up mechanics takes about 120,600,000 Exp to do so.
Someone who ground out 501 CP before the catch mechanics took exactly 200,400,000 Exp to do so.

To them the catch up mechanics itself could be considered unfair. So they get a little bit back that likely they will never be able to use anyway unless ZOS significantly ups the cap.

Some updates we are the statue, and others we are the bird. Maybe to make it fair they just don't give anyone 40 free cp and everyone go back to it taking 400k per CP...

yeah dude but if ZOS is trying to make it easier for people to "catch up" why would they give those with more CP than others more champion XP? doesnt that kinda go against the whole "catch up" mechanic? and they have already said theyre going to be raising the cap by 50 after DB

nimander99 · May 2016

@zFib What level are you? Do you have a Veteran Rank character? How long have you been playing the game?

Divinius · May 2016

The OP does actually have a point.

Instead of giving 2.5 CP per VR, they should have given 1,000,000 XP per VR toward more CPs (ignoring enlightenment). Since the old CP gain rate was 400k per CP, that would be 2.5 CP at the old rate.

With the current CP gain rates, VR16 people that are at around 440 CP would get 16,000,000 xp, which would give them 40 more CP. People with less CP than that would get more. Conveniently, the 16,000,000 XP would give VR16 people, with no CP, 160 CP. It would work out perfectly.

nimander99 · May 2016

They stated on ESO live that the extra CP's were a thank you to the games long time player-base!

Not a thank you to brand new players who just started playing the game a couple months ago... Although if you managed to hit Vet Ranks in a short period of time then you get the benefit of 2.5 CP's per Vet Rank accrued...

What's so hard to understand about that?

Just enjoy the game if you enjoy the game... The CP catch up mechanic will have you at cap in no time anyways...

Prabooo · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Are you serious? What freaking difference does it make how many CP we get when we are already at 501 CP and the cap stays there? Those extra CP do NOTHING! You're whining about how long it will take to gain the CP, but the reality is gaining CP these days is incredibly easy. Players with high CP had to earn them at much higher XP rates. How about less QQ in forum and more time playing.....you'll earn a lot more CP that way.

PS...what's fair about someone who's played a fraction of game time having an equal amount of CP to players here from the game release?

They are increasing the cap by 50 for all the dlc releases after DB. so the 40 cp that are given to you are gonna be HUGE. Do you know how big of a difference it is for me getting only around 10 million CXP (40 cp) when you get probably 26 million CXP (40cp) that amount of difference in xp (16 million) is more than grinding a character to vet 16. THIS is why i think they should give everyone a flat value of CXP rather than just giving 40 CXP. Because theyre giving more to the players who already have MORE of an advantage. explain how thats fair??

I'll explain how that's fair: it is because people that have more CP DESERVE MORE FOR THEIR EFFORT! STOP WHINING!

GivvumBoane · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

I understand what you mean when you say it is unfair...

Someone with a VR16 and 161 CP is going to get bumped to 201 CP which would equal 7,339,406 Exp
Someone with a VR16 and 461 CP is going to get bumped to 501 CP which would equal 17,222,723 Exp.

And the Exp gain becomes even greater after 501 when they start getting real expensive per CP.

But here is why I really don't care...

Many of the people with high CP many of them earned at 400k exp per CP and then once the catch up mechanic was introduced it cost them even more than the 400k exp to continue to earn them.

Someone that grinds out 501 CP with the catch up mechanics takes about 120,600,000 Exp to do so.
Someone who ground out 501 CP before the catch mechanics took exactly 200,400,000 Exp to do so.

To them the catch up mechanics itself could be considered unfair. So they get a little bit back that likely they will never be able to use anyway unless ZOS significantly ups the cap.

Some updates we are the statue, and others we are the bird. Maybe to make it fair they just don't give anyone 40 free cp and everyone go back to it taking 400k per CP...

yeah dude but if ZOS is trying to make it easier for people to "catch up" why would they give those with more CP than others more champion XP? doesnt that kinda go against the whole "catch up" mechanic? and they have already said theyre going to be raising the cap by 50 after DB

Catch up old school style. Play more than the other guy/girl. I don't think anyone should be able to catch up unless they are dedicating more time to the game. Someone who has been playing since beta should not have someone who's been playing a few months nipping at their heels unless they are logging more hours. Just implementing a CP cap gives lower people the opportunity to catch up.

Teridaxus · May 2016

Is it fair that we had to farm at 400k xp flat for each point while you op, got the catch up mechanic?

Hutch679 · May 2016

zFib wrote: »

Hello everyone i wanted to make this post about how 40 cp are being given to everyone with a vet 16 at DB release. How is this fair for the people with lower cp ?? Lets say someone is at around 100 cp. at this point it costs ~ 100k xp per CP , so ZOSE is giving those people around 4 million xp when DB releases. Keep in mind those people are already at a disadvantage because they have 400 cp less than people at the cap.

Now lets consider someone with say 500cp (way ahead of everyone and has a massive advantage over someone with say 100cp). 1 cp for them costs around 650,000 xp. So on DB , ZOSE is giving the players with 500+ cp, 26 million + champion xp . These people who are already at a much higher of an advantage in pvp are now getting even more of an advantage in terms of the cp theyre getting. When i get to 500 cp and the cap is raised, it will take me SOOOO much longer to get those 40 cp because it will take 26 million xp to get it, when the people who were already there at DB were just given the 26 million xp. Im stuck with my mediocre 4 million champion xp. How is this fair and how on earth do you expect me and hundreds of others to catch up to those with very high cp? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober

Why should players that haven't spent enough time grinding their champion points up benefit more than players who have invested A LOT of time leveling their champion points? This argument is basically saying that casual players should benefit more than hardcore players which I completely disagree with. If you've put the time in to get to 501+ you should be rewarded more than those who have 200 cp and 5 vet 1 or vet 3 characters.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Is it fair that we had to farm at 400k xp flat for each point while you op, got the catch up mechanic?

Or being stuck at the cap while everyone else catches up

Tanis-Stormbinder · May 2016

Zos has implemented a catch up mechanic, be happy. How about those of us who grinded since beta with well over the 501 cap. Think about how they feel. In the end it's all good. Just enjoy playing the game.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

There's a lot better ways to hook players into playing your game.

Im not saying there arent but Im curious. What ways would you suggest instead then.

Wolfkeks · May 2016

You'll catch up with enough training, there will be no doubt.
But old players need something to come back, so I think it's fair

Or do you have a better suggestion?