What will you do with your Magicka Sorcerer when Dark Brotherhood goes live?

Feynn · May 2016

The new patch brings some very significant nerfs to Magicka Sorcerers, especially in terms of their survivability, by reducing the duration of Hardened Ward and the healing we can get from Surge. At the same time, it brings no improvements to the rest of our skills to balance out these nerfs. It doesn't change the Magicka Sorcerer meta for PvE. And with no buffs to DPS, Sorcerer will still lag behind as the least effective class in terms of sustained DPS, over-relying on the accumulation of ultimate for Overload. The only positive change for Magicka Sorcerers is that now the resistance of our pets is no longer bugged, so they will be a bit harder to kill. But then again, the nerf in the duration of our shields will affect pets' survivability as well, and with pets being a toggle it is very unlikey that new effective pet builds will ever be viable. It still seems unclear whether ZOS has any ground concept in mind behind the development of the class.

On the other hand, some positive changes have been introduced with regard to Stamina Sorcerers, which still have very few class stamina abilities, but now can rely on some very good passives for stamina gameplay, and will probably become excellent in terms of AoE DPS.

So, what will you do with your Magicka Sorcerer when the patch goes live, especially if you have been playing it as your main toon?

DannyLV702 · May 2016

Gonna stick to my stamblade for now. My sorc has been parked for a while just doing vmsa anyway

bloodenragedb14_ESO · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

to be truthfull ill run through DB storyline with my main, but once that is done, and after no man's sky comes out, im a ghost. Its far too stressfull to continually fear class viability each and every update.

What will get me back after this? I want to see them make each class viable, then just back off, literally, once each class has some viablity, back off and say 'class balance is done, deal with it' That will get me back, because then the real content will start coming.

look, i dont hate pvp'ers, or pvp, but the fact that most balance changes that create a 'flavor of the month' comes from pvp feedback is enough for me to wish that they would completely seperate pvp and pve into their own megaservers and balance each server separately.

Whatever happens, ill keep an eye on the game to determine whether its worth resubbing after DB, but with the current Team working on balance, i dont see that happening, they are far to disconnected from the playerbase

Mojmir · May 2016

Other (please specify).

good thing mines a great crafter,thats all hes good for anyways.

Sotha_Sil · May 2016

Other (please specify).

L2P and cry me a river please. From a PVP perspective, Sorc has been overpowered for a long time. DK was heavily nerfed during the following years of launch and templars finally have some useful skills. It's nice some balance is actually going to be implemented. I'm more concerned about poisons than this change.

RoyJade · May 2016

The nerfs are awful, but I'll keep playing Magicka Sorcerer as always nevertheless.

PVP shield stacker sorc hasn't be nerfed, they just gain a +8k stamina shield. We already spam our shield each 5 second when in real fight.
That's the pve solo sorc and all pet/lightank build who has been nerfed, aka the weakest sorc build. The main problem remain, all other build suffer a lot.

Beside, I have all four class in both magicka and stamina spec. I'll probably play my magplar or my stamDK. Or perhaps my stamplar, he will gain his 20 last level in pvp, it can be fun with the new stamina change.

Derra · May 2016

Other (please specify).

Cya eso. Not sorc but general game direction related.

RoamingRiverElk · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

It's the poisons that will most likely make me play a lot less.

Minalan · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

I'll probably just unsub and keep the sorc around for occasional PVP.

As for what to 'do' with him, I'll recraft a suit with five small impen pieces, and stack shields: Nullify Magicka on top of empowered ward. It's about 15K shield and it works fine with impen.

The build will still work fine, but with the increased Magicka costs, ridiculous poisons, short shields, and god mode night blades - the game isn't going to be any FUN to play. I'm not *paying* for this game post DB. They can shove their crafting bags up Wrobel's backside for all I care.

Leandor · May 2016

Other (please specify).

I'm thinking of reviving my breton sorc who is currently played only for farming mats, streak OP.

STEVIL · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

My first magsorc vr16 will adjust and be lotsa fun. More dependent on resistances than shields.

My next added slot will be khajit stam sorc. Anxiously awaiting that one. Will be my third sorc.

My current #2 sorc vr14 is up for grabs. She is an imperial so transition to stam sorc is tempting given she has lotsa armor and melee wpn diversity. But will see whether she can be more unique from the other two as stam or mag and then decide.

Definitely excited for my three sorcs. Fun times ahead.

Vaoh · May 2016

Other (please specify).

Well, here it is......

I have leveled different characters between V1-V8 waiting for Vet ranks to be removed. I will split my time between characters for fun.

As for my #OP solo Sorc, who has 1vXed to Centurion yet can still die to any two good players or one great duelist......

I have always wanted my Sorcerer to be an Ice Mage. Ever since launch.

Thanks to the Winterborn set, Willpower jewelry, Molag Kena and Maelstrom Ice Staff, this is kind of possible. (still trying to get the Maelstrom Ice staff to drop)

It will be much more effective when the Iceheart monster set becomes available (Vet Direfrost) and also Spellcrafting in 2017. My Sorc collected every skyshard in Tamriel in anticipation for Spellcrafting!

However, changes to Conjured Ward amongst other nerfs give me the feeling my entire main (Sorcerer) will simply suck. This Ice Mage playstyle won't even be feasible with a six second shield. 100% PvE nerf when it could've only changed in PvP. Smh

Remember when people used to complain how terrible Templars were, or how terrible Magicka DKs were after nerfs? That is the Sorc right now, specifically in PvE.

***Let shields last 20 seconds in PvE, then do whatever you want to them in PvP. Update the Sorcerer class so half of the actives and passives aren't totally useless and Stam Sorcs can benefit from using class abilities instead of gimping themselves. As it stands Sorc will be the all-around worst class by a wide margin when DB drops and it is sad as a guy who mained a Sorc to see this

(to the guys saying Sorc is totally fine and still OP, stop it with your tunnel vision views. Look at the bigger picture, and stop thinking about the class in terms of one build)

Polysemy · May 2016

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Play it?

Less QQ more Pew Pew

Digiman · May 2016

The nerfs are awful, but I'll keep playing Magicka Sorcerer as always nevertheless.

I doubt I would stick my neck alone in AvA, I know when playing my sorc against stamina I am basically forked. The nerfs were bad and I hate how eric wrobel who said he wanted to create unique playstyle for magicka sorcerers was to belt them into overload 1000 viability and told us to stick to pets for survivability.

Sadly this is what was going to happen, magicka has gotten the crap end of the stick for a while I knew it was coming, that he would effectively break a specific magicka playstyle like sorcerers. Thought he would be smarter then that. He wasn't.

Now we have to wait months for a patch to address the overwhelming unfun pet toggle playstyle of sorcerer, which I am pretty sure won't happen until he sees no one playing magicka sorcerers. Even then my pessimism says he won't.

Chances are he will move on magicka DK, templer and nightblade.

As for me I am specced for healing in PvE so I won't run short on work. But Eric should know that being a DPS magicka sorcerer isn't fun on the PTS and the house of cards he made crumbled the moment he touch the only defense a sorcerer has.

So look forward to being pigeonholed into either defending or DPSing while other classes just glide by.

I know one thing for sure though and that's this class is going to have be put into an overhaul from top to bottom. That's what's going to suck for other classes because if it does then other classes won't get changes they need either.

So Eric screwed all classes in the end.

Neowit · May 2016

I'll use one of the many other healing options the sorc has. And my Hardened Ward never lasts longer than ten seconds anyways. So... I'll use Hardened Ward.

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2016

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I'll be putting a guide up once I confirm something, but from my preliminary testing Sorcerers will be the most valuable class in trials and some of the highest DPS. We are talking 40+k In the second boss of VMOL.

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

L2P and cry me a river please. From a PVP perspective, Sorc has been overpowered for a long time. DK was heavily nerfed and templars finally have some useful skills. It's nice some balance is actually going to be implemented. I'm more concerned about poisons than this change.

stfu.

sorry but i'm just getting really sick of that. people saying a class is overpowered because their build/character is lacking. it's very irritating.

at any rate. i'm planning on moving on when DB comes out. might play a little here and there. but i'm not gonna be nearly as active.

ArvenAldmeri · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

L2P and cry me a river please. From a PVP perspective, Sorc has been overpowered for a long time. DK was heavily nerfed and templars finally have some useful skills. It's nice some balance is actually going to be implemented. I'm more concerned about poisons than this change.

What the hell, man? Did you even read the post? He was talking about PvE! -.-
You are talking trash, really. DK underpowered? Magicka, yes, stamina, hell no!
And nothing even mentioned poisons in the post, so why the hell do you even bring that up? First of, read the post, second of, move to other post if you want to complain about pvp, DKs and poisons.

marvel_bound · May 2016

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Take him out back and end his misery

Feynn · May 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll be putting a guide up once I confirm something, but from my preliminary testing Sorcerers will be the most valuable class in trials and some of the highest DPS. We are talking 40+k In the second boss of VMOL.

@hedna123b14_ESO , I'm really intrigued! I look forward to learning more!

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2016

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Feynn wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll be putting a guide up once I confirm something, but from my preliminary testing Sorcerers will be the most valuable class in trials and some of the highest DPS. We are talking 40+k In the second boss of VMOL.

@hedna123b14_ESO , I'm really intrigued! I look forward to learning more!

Since we get our toons on PTS Monday I should know by the end of the day. As it stands right now it looks too good to be true...I'm also afraid they will nerf something...

GriM_728 · May 2016

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I've already respec'd as a stam sorc. I have a magicka nightblade ready with almost all legendary v16 gear(that I pulled from my Sorc), and I'm currently leveling a stam dk orc that has all v16 purple gear ready

Gilliamtherogue · May 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Feynn wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll be putting a guide up once I confirm something, but from my preliminary testing Sorcerers will be the most valuable class in trials and some of the highest DPS. We are talking 40+k In the second boss of VMOL.

@hedna123b14_ESO , I'm really intrigued! I look forward to learning more!

Since we get our toons on PTS Monday I should know by the end of the day. As it stands right now it looks too good to be true...I'm also afraid they will nerf something...

You mean the change to make implosion crit? It's going to drastically buff sorc DPS in AoE situations. Our main Magicka Sorc in vMoL is already hitting 39k+ on the 2nd boss and really high numbers in the other fights. While the nerf to det will hit Sorcs in PvE DPS, I think the changes to make Implosion crit will make up for this loss on AoE fights where Boundless Storm and Conduit are hitting multiple enemies. We might even see the rise of Lightning staves on sorcs again, but that's something to be tested.

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2016

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Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Feynn wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'll be putting a guide up once I confirm something, but from my preliminary testing Sorcerers will be the most valuable class in trials and some of the highest DPS. We are talking 40+k In the second boss of VMOL.

@hedna123b14_ESO , I'm really intrigued! I look forward to learning more!

Since we get our toons on PTS Monday I should know by the end of the day. As it stands right now it looks too good to be true...I'm also afraid they will nerf something...

You mean the change to make implosion crit? It's going to drastically buff sorc DPS in AoE situations. Our main Magicka Sorc in vMoL is already hitting 39k+ on the 2nd boss and really high numbers in the other fights. While the nerf to det will hit Sorcs in PvE DPS, I think the changes to make Implosion crit will make up for this loss on AoE fights where Boundless Storm and Conduit are hitting multiple enemies. We might even see the rise of Lightning staves on sorcs again, but that's something to be tested.

I don't want to say till I test but it's not about implosion, it's a huge game changing build for Sorcs..will be running bloodspawn tomorrow.

Rex-Umbra · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

I play a pet sorc and think the changes will buff me.

dday3six · May 2016

Other (please specify).

I'll continue to use it for PVP, just not PVE as often. Which was mostly just VMA in the first place.

Ryuho · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

I wasn't sure if I will touch my sorc in DB, nerfing shields to 6s ofc its a pain, but after some testing, and using empowered ward on live (which imo is understimated skill, 2k less shield only but 10% more magicka regen and much cheaper shield - ur choice) I got used to it. Sorc still will do a lot of dmg. The biggest problem is proper gear, with streak nerfs u need tons of magicka regen to be effective in open world, but at least we can solve this problem esy - transmutation, seducer, even magnus.

This change will eliminate bad sorcs imo, cause shieldstacking will be much harder, If u wont adjust and play with one shield only (on ur main bar) u will run out of mana really fast = dead.

Also, you won't be able to 1 vs x as sorc only standing shield stacking and waiting for detonation boom + dawnbrkr combo (lamest *** ever). You will need to reposition urself, use environment, try to split ur targets etc. and rekt them 1 by 1. Live with it or just change a class.

Flaminir · May 2016

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It's been my main since beta... but tbh I'm just bored of the cookie cutter now and zero build diversity to be even somewhat competitive.

My PvP build has been wrecked with the various nerfs to shields (I only used 1 shield... didnt stack... but 6 seconds is too short for that now), dawnbreaker changes, removal of the only non destro staff spammable (Webs).... so my sorc PvP build now needs a rebuild from the ground up.

What @Wrobel claims he is aiming for (Build diversity, play how you want etc) is totally at odds with the changes he's been making.... Given his replies on ESO live on Friday he clearly does not understand the class, nor the concerns of the overwhelming majority of Sorcs.

Given that.... I can't see anything changing any time soon.... until he understands the issues nothing will change...

So I'll keep my sorc... but won't play him as often... maybe just 4 man dungeons....

Luckily I have a few other characters that are fun. MagPlar is currently in a good spot, and despite a few bugged abilities feels fun & balanced... am going to that for PvE... and maybe try out my parked stamblade for PvP for a while

Mush55 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

Play my mage blade, it's more fun anyway just need a bit of practice to get my rotation and dps up to par.

Kas · May 2016

Other (please specify).

will take him and the improved, game-changing negate to guild pvp (aka zerging

). i will play a different class for open-world solo/smallscale. for duels, i'll try sorc and $newclass (certainly stamina, leaning towards stamplar but tbh, all 4 are interesting. I think I can do lvl 50 + undaunted 9 in two days if there are some other guildies that twink and would run all dungeos for achievments and undaunted exp) and even my old magplar main and see what's fun.

for now, I am kinda happy, I will make a switch. mainly because I think stamina builds are very potent but I also know that i have plenty of room to improve. I played a few hours on my old stamplar with non-perfect equip and I could already see myself improve by the hour. new stuff is fun!

Sublime · May 2016

I will respec to Stamina Sorcerer.

Stamsorc Negate dummy.

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