Are sorcs too overpowered?

Jimbullbee85 · May 2016

Yes

This is why sorcs are finding veteran dungeons so easy. They don't need healers or tanks anymore. 4 dps sorcs is all you need to get through white gold tower. Hopefully theyll reduce their shields and make healers and tanks relevant again. Gone are the days when a group leader shouts "Tanks at the front, healers at the back" now it's "stand back, I'll take them all mwahaha"

NateAssassin · May 2016

No

sorc op? totally.

Asherons_Call · May 2016

No

Poll: Stop the constant silly overpowered polls and threads

*Yes - 99 votes
*No - 1 vote

Lucky28 · May 2016

No

I swat shield stacking sorcs like flies on my magblade i don't know what you're talking about OP.

I do have issues taking out sorcs on my sorc tho. speaks more to the sorcs... slow DPS i suppose.

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

This is why sorcs are finding veteran dungeons so easy. They don't need healers or tanks anymore. 4 dps sorcs is all you need to get through white gold tower. Hopefully theyll reduce their shields and make healers and tanks relevant again. Gone are the days when a group leader shouts "Tanks at the front, healers at the back" now it's "stand back, I'll take them all mwahaha"

i can do that on my nightblade, mag DK and Sorc. don't blame sorcs for that ***, it's true sorcs are good at solo play, but that's also the only thing they're good at.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

Reyals · May 2016

I'm a sorc, and I'm not op (lol jk, I'm way too op)

Inon

NativeJoe wrote: »

I'm a sorc and I'll fully admit that a new player in the past 6 months stands ZERO chance of getting past my shield and doing any damage to me.

I got this game 5 months ago want to try a duel see how I fare in trying to break through your shields?

Jimbullbee85 · May 2016

Yes

As far as I'm concerned as a dps dragonknight the only shields I should be having problems with are on tanks. The balance isn't right for sorcs. They have far too much defence for the amount of dps they do. I battled with a fantastic tank last week. He couldn't kill me because he didn't deal enough damage but with his shields it took 20 of us to take him down and no one complained. He was doing his role well. Taking on a fully buffed sorc and watching it rip players apart before theres even a crack in that shield is a **ss take. They basically have all the benefits of both Tanks and dps. I've got a vet16 healer and I have to balance my spell power, mag recovery and defence because I can't have them all. It should be the same for magic dps builds.

Lenikus · May 2016

No

OP probably has a magicka nb and tries to use the 'detonation' build.
Of course he's never gonna kill a sorc like that (unless he's ganking one)

Mush55 · May 2016

Don't care, don't pvp

I have retired my sorc due to the eternal nerfs the pvp crowd have forced on my sorc spoiling my pve game.

An already underperforming class that brings 0 utility to a group save for overload which is needed due to our pitiful regen and having no class spammable , low health from being forced to stack everything into magic and spell damage just so we can hope to be able to keep up with the dps creep.

My guild always asks me to bring my mage blade to any dungeon just for the fact I bring more utility can perfom for longer and do just as good dps.

Wasn't like this before all the pvpers started to complain because a few good sorcs did there pvp build and played it to the best.

So I can says this for most sorc players after next dlc thank you for killing my game on my sorc

Jimbullbee85 · May 2016

Yes

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

Oh and read it again you'll see that I referred to magicka dps build not just sorcs.

Mush55 · May 2016

Don't care, don't pvp

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

The sheild only absorbs so much damage be it 20 sec duration or 6 they havnt solved the issue just messed up pve

Morimizo · May 2016

Don't care, don't pvp

Sigh...another nerf thread.

How about, strengthen all the classes?

I have seen EVERY class dominate ANY of the others when played effectively.

Rakkul · May 2016

Yes they are look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExU37Xz5Q0Q

DHale · May 2016

No

I have a sorc honestly there are no Good Stam builds or players who have any problem killing sorcs. When I play my Stam builds I can bust through a 100 bastion 40 k magic sorc's shield in two blows. Most ppl can... Easily. Go ahead streak between shuffle and immovable pots you would have to catch me eating pizza to apply any kind of meaningful pressure. I don't bother with shattering blows or shield breaker it's just not needed. Sorc will be the new magic dk next patch.

Jimbullbee85 · May 2016

Yes

I've got to admit my DK is only vet 1 and I'm trying to take on vet16 mag dps. But I don't have a problem hacking into any other builds other than them and tanks. The vet16 mag dps builds with shields barely flinch at few wrecking blows at 15K damage each but everyone else s***s themselves. Maybe I need shield breaker

Lucky28 · May 2016

No

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

Oh and read it again you'll see that I referred to magicka dps build not just sorcs.

no they don't bro. I mean i don't know about templars ( i don't play one. don't really like the class) but my three characters Mag DK, Mag nightblade and mag sorc are all built for max damage And my DK and NB aren't any less tanky than my sorc (I don't have fear on my nightblade and use cloak rarely).

You just have to know how to best use your class. i mean i really hate to say that, but i'm convinced people who complain about sorcs just straight up don't know how to play their class. I've been playing only on my DK and NB on live (sorcs are not fun to play on the PTS) and i just really don't see where these complaints come from or what justifies them i kill sorcs just as much as i kill any other class and have no more trouble dealing with them than i do with any other class.

i just don't get it. Is it just that people don't want to have to think about how to take down another class and that it should all just be mindless button mashing?.

EDIT: You can't beat Maelstrom Arena if you don't have all three (defense, offense and healing) so no, everyone should be able to do it. Stamina and Magicka and more to the point everyone can do it.

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

No

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

Oh and read it again you'll see that I referred to magicka dps build not just sorcs.

Wut?

I... I didn't write/author... any of that. @Lucky28 wrote that, not me.

I don't mind getting chewed out for a difference in opinion, but I would hope it would be something that I authored... O.o

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Don't care, don't pvp

I guess this is one of those situations where the majority of those that use it will think it's fine. The ones that it is being used on will not. Kinda the same with wrecking blow. I don't pvp. I love wrecking blow because I think it's funny as hell to hit a guy standing on a cliff side with it. On the other hand it sucks a** to be on the receiving side of it.

Takes-No-Prisoner · May 2016

Lucky28 · May 2016

No

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

Oh and read it again you'll see that I referred to magicka dps build not just sorcs.

Wut?

I... I didn't write/author... any of that. @Lucky28 wrote that, not me.

I don't mind getting chewed out for a difference in opinion, but I would hope it would be something that I authored... O.o

are you sure?. I think that "nope" was maybe yours XD

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

No

Lucky28 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Nope.

what you're saying right now is like me saying. *** templars, take away all their heals. Or DK's don't really need to be tanky they should just be pure glass canons.

No... what im saying is that templar's have to sacrifice damage to become full healers or tanks. Dragonknights have to sacrifice damage to become tanks. Thanks to OP shields magicka damage builds can have just as much protection as a tank and still do incredible damage. There should be a balance. I like duelling in the arena but most of the maxed out vet16 sorcs stand and watch because no one he even bothers to challenge them. Just can't get their shields down in time before you get fried. But that's why they're getting nerfed and I'm looking forward to smashing them to bits.

Oh and read it again you'll see that I referred to magicka dps build not just sorcs.

Wut?

I... I didn't write/author... any of that. @Lucky28 wrote that, not me.

I don't mind getting chewed out for a difference in opinion, but I would hope it would be something that I authored... O.o

are you sure?. I think that "nope" was maybe yours XD

lmao

The "Nope" may have been mine, but the rest of it is aaaaaallllllll yours.

NBrookus · May 2016

No

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

I've got to admit my DK is only vet 1 and I'm trying to take on vet16 mag dps. But I don't have a problem hacking into any other builds other than them and tanks. The vet16 mag dps builds with shields barely flinch at few wrecking blows at 15K damage each but everyone else s***s themselves. Maybe I need shield breaker

Shieldbreaker is cheese, and not very effective cheese. My sorc just LoS' out of it. It's been on my death recap maybe 3 or 4 times, and then not a big part of it.

If you've got a stam DK you have all the tools you need to kill sorcs even before the upcoming buffs. Forget the WB spam, use your class CC. If you don't have the raw burst, deplete their stamina and lock them down.

That said: 15k WB? I'd be surprised... biggest I've seen in Cyro is ~13k, and my sorc is wearing divines pajamas with a 12k Hardened Ward.

iam117 · May 2016

No

sorcs are not overpowered in pvp, and need addressed in pve, each class can be countered in pvp, you cant expect to win all the time, you will always find players that will far surpass your personal skill, thats what keeps the game interesting for most

attackjet · May 2016

Yes

Lenikus wrote: »

OP probably has a magicka nb and tries to use the 'detonation' build.
Of course he's never gonna kill a sorc like that (unless he's ganking one)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/264853/magicka-night-blades-are-garbage#latest

Burning_Talons · May 2016

No

Do what I do slot purge and scales and sorcs cant go any damage

Minalan · May 2016

No

Zerok wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.

I play in azuras, because there is absolutely no lag, and I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.

I've seen sorcs solo engine guardian. This is ridiculous.

Please nerf the mines and shield stack, let me know what you think

If you play Azura then you can't use the Shattering blow CP. Which means you could probably use the Shield breaker set to compensate.

I don't know how much it cost nowadays.

On Azuras, the bastion CP doesn't work either, neither does tumbling or mooncalf. It balances out.

Stun the sorc three times, trash him when he can't break your fear/cc.

Minalan · May 2016

No

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

I think their 'Captain America' shields are going to be nerfed thankfully. They are impenetrable for sorcs who know what they're doing. My dragonknight has unresistable damage enchantment on his greatsword and his vet16 sorc foes barely flinch at a handful of wrecking blows at 15K damage a piece. Yeah they sometimes go flying like a ball of ignited rock but it ain't as fun if you can't at least take their health bar down a bit.

Umm. On live only one of their shields works against physical. And it's only going to be 10K tops in PVP. Far Less on Azura's without bastion.

Try. Again.

Why is the information always so bad here on the forums?

SlayerTheDragon · May 2016

Sorcs are neither OP nor UP, they are BROKEN.

I have never enjoyed playing a Sorc because a magicka Templar, Dragonknight, and Nightblade each feel more like a sorcerer (wizard/mage/warlock) than a Sorc does.

THBronx · May 2016

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.
...
I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.
...

...Bcuz u are so good that if you can't win, then someone is op?
Should every other player from every other class create a thread asking for a NB nerf?

attackjet wrote: »

...
Please nerf the mines and shield stack, so I can win and be the real op let me know what you think

^ is better now, at least it makes sense.

attackjet · May 2016

Yes

THBronx wrote: »

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.
...
I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.
...

...Bcuz u are so good that if you can't win, then someone is op?
Should every other player from every other class create a thread asking for a NB nerf?

attackjet wrote: »

...
Please nerf the mines and shield stack, so I can win and be the real op let me know what you think

^ is better now, at least it makes sense.

I see what you are saying, but no.

I have good fights against templars, dks and other nb's but not sorcs, the shield stack is just too much

Derra · May 2016

No

Boy, i have a feeling that poll did not go as planned.