Nerf nightblade gap closer

Volkodav · May 2016

Thing is that ESO is a play as you want to game.If you want to spam a skill,fine do it. People are able to play any style they want to,even if it is to use a skill as many times as they like.
No,this might not be what you want to hear,but it is the truth.Or the Devs wouldnt allow it to be done.

shadow071179 wrote: »

Just get better at playing the Game instead of griping about it.

There are tons of ways to protect yourself vs NB. Go and learn them.

Edited for vularity.

Agreed.

Skinless_Jerk · May 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

If a StamDK (naming no names ) is dodge-rolling and shuffling whilst running in a circle around a tree of course I'm going to spAmbush.

no need to name names hahahahaha

mtwiggz · May 2016

Spambushers = Free AP.

You must not have gotten that memo.

aLi3nZ · May 2016

Well I have found myself spamming it a bit to finish stamina shuffle users off. The dodge roll dodge dodge dodge does not work that we'll against lotus fan.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

Avenias wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

If a StamDK (naming no names ) is dodge-rolling and shuffling whilst running in a circle around a tree of course I'm going to spAmbush.

That does not justify spamming a gap closure as your main dps source.

Of course it does: the DK is trying to establish distance to gain advantage, I'm reducing distance to nullify that advantage.

Why waste my resources on dodge-rolling, sprinting and using SAttack when a spAmbush is far more efficient?

The point blank spam makes it even worse. Ambush, lotus blade must be adjusted to require a distance. Its ridiculous to let a gap closure be spammed at point blank, when there is no gap to close!

The damage also needs to be reduced significantly or increase its cost significantly

Yeah but my point is if someone is trying to create a gap then spamming a gap closer as main DPS is your best way to DPS.

The same goes for a Templar against someone who's constantly trying to dodge your attacks, the best source of DPS is spamming Radiant Destruction as that can't be dodged.

It's all about nullifying the advantage they're trying to make.

I agree that it's ridiculous to spam a gap closer when there's no distance to be had but most people in this game don't just stand there and fight, they either try and create distance or dodge. Thus by the time you've used a melee attack, the gap has either been opened and they're out of range or they've dodged and are opening distance. Both lead to using more resources than spamming a gap closer.

As I said in another thread yesterday, if all they're doing is spamming a gap closer at point blank range then you're lucky they're not using an ability that deals more damage.

elantaura · May 2016

Now I would be greatfull they are not hitting you with surprise attack, concealed weapon, impale, swallow soul etc as depending on stam magica etc these all generally do more damage, when it's nerfed this is what will happen then there will be nerf threads about them op skills.

Tavore1138 · May 2016

Only ever worth spambushing when people are riding, running or streaking away from you and even then a flying dagger to the back can be far more satisfying... plus there are so many better damage skills for actual fights as many others have pointed out.

Wollust · May 2016

The underlying problem is not ambush, but the minisnare/stun you get from it. That's what it makes it so god damn awful if someone spams it on you.
So no, not ambush needs to be nerfed, but rather that stupid snare crap they put in place for gapclosers for no good reason.

Tavore1138 · May 2016

Wollust wrote: »

The underlying problem is not ambush, but the minisnare/stun you get from it. That's what it makes it so god damn awful if someone spams it on you.
So no, not ambush needs to be nerfed, but rather that stupid snare crap they put in place for gapclosers for no good reason.

The first one should stun but after that the immunity timer should be on - but I know that can be buggy sometimes.

genjutsu_kami · May 2016

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Detector · May 2016

Death Stroke: Reduced the damage of this ability and its morphs by 4.5%
Teleport Strike: Reduced the damage of this ability and its morphs by 6.5%.

(c) PTS

Lava_Croft · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Why not? It's a low damage ability. Anyone spamming it on you is wasting resources that could be spent on skills that do more damage when cast from a 2 inch distance.

genjutsu_kami · May 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Why not? It's a low damage ability. Anyone spamming it on you is wasting resources that could be spent on skills that do more damage when cast from a 2 inch distance.

even if it can consistently re-apply snares after cleanse, and if thats the case shouldn't ever single gap closer in the game work as a spammable gap closer just to make it balanced?

hamgatan · May 2016

it should be nerfed/removed purely on the basis that every other targeted gap closer in the game is broken and this is the ONLY one that works.

Crit Rush - Broken.
Toppling Charge - Broken
Empowering Chains - Erratic Gap Closer that still takes Resources even if it fails.
Shield Charge - Broken.

Fix all of those and the NB's can have their spambush... otherwise nerf!

Skinless_Jerk · May 2016

hamgatan wrote: »

it should be nerfed/removed purely on the basis that every other targeted gap closer in the game is broken and this is the ONLY one that works.

Crit Rush - Broken.
Toppling Charge - Broken
Empowering Chains - Erratic Gap Closer that still takes Resources even if it fails.
Shield Charge - Broken.

Fix all of those and the NB's can have their spambush... otherwise nerf!

maybe the OP is dabbling at reverse psychology ... drag up nerf/buff posts for them to be worked on by the ZoS team, which means - getting broken.

Tavore1138 · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Don't really see why not, it's a bit silly and not the best skill to use at close range but if I can jump on you from 20 metres away I don't see why I can't jump on you from a smaller distance.

The logic works differently with the 'rush' abilities where you need a minimum distance to build up speed and momentum but this is a jump so your momentum is gained from the process of jumping not from running at someone.

Shadowfx1970 · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

No, I do think a lot of players spam this because it was a lazy way to level, in pvp I use lotus fan as a gap closer spamming any skill shows a lack of skill unless the situation calls for a spam like spam and chips for lunch

Lava_Croft · May 2016

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Why not? It's a low damage ability. Anyone spamming it on you is wasting resources that could be spent on skills that do more damage when cast from a 2 inch distance.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

just a question for stam night blades here

im not going to make a negative comment i just want your honest and genuine opinion

should you be able to spam teleport strike / ambush at a player that is standing 2 inches from your faces?

Why not? It's a low damage ability. Anyone spamming it on you is wasting resources that could be spent on skills that do more damage when cast from a 2 inch distance.

even if it can consistently re-apply snares after cleanse, and if thats the case shouldn't ever single gap closer in the game work as a spammable gap closer just to make it balanced?

I'd like every Purge to remove 5 different debuffs too. Just like I would like my Healing Ward to heal several other people as well as myself. I would also love for my Magicka execute to have a 40m+ range and start ticking at 50% health. Balance, right?

Different skills have different behaviour and that's a good thing, or else you end up with the same skills just with different names.

ADarklore · May 2016

I love how people say, "a gap closer shouldn't be used..." just because a skill closes a gap doesn't mean it is EXCLUSIVELY a 'gap closer'. In the case of people wanting them to nerf the damage from Teleport Strike then ZOS should also, in turn, BUFF the damage done by other Nightblade abilities to compensate. Will the endless complaining ever cease?

Azurya · May 2016

I think we got nerfed already enough!

If I see what other classes and then I am talking about magicka-based classes have for huge advantages, it is no good what Zeni is doing to us.

Even my Stamsorc makes with basically the same setup for a stamblade more DPS in PVE as my StamNB. And she kills more of you in PvP, sadly, I wished it was the other way around....

kadar · May 2016

Avenias wrote: »

Gap closures should not be used as a primary source of dps, it should only be used as a gap closure. Either nerf the damage significantly or increase its cost significantly.

Read Patch notes before making more nerf threads?

Ep1kMalware · May 2016

Avenias wrote: »

Gap closures should not be used as a primary source of dps, it should only be used as a gap closure. Either nerf the damage significantly or increase its cost significantly.

Well, you're getting your wish. This game needs player diversity, for thst to happen we need:

Set diversity. Armor and jewelry sets that give players neat ideas for different builds. This may help create more balance if the developers use their noodles. Sources who want moar shields will run sets that buff shields, but may have to sacrifice spell damage or other useful stats. Who knows, possibilities are endless.

Skill diversity. We need solid class skills. Esp combined with set diversity, people will have more reasons for choosing one class over another. Next update I'm probably going to see enough red guard stam dks using flurry and crit Rush to almost want to puke.

Tbh, if you got killed by someone spamming a gap closer, you seriously need to improve your build. Nerfs don't solve anything. The reason the game is getting smaller and smaller with each update isn't the NERF qq'ing, it's Zenimax failure to to cope with balancing issues.