Calling all people who eschew Maxing and just Play

Volkodav · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

I don't really see the appeal of min/max - I'm not a dungeon runner, and very much a completionist. I have no desire to go chasing "end game" gear.

I did slightly concede to the min/max paradigm when creating my current main - A Dunmer Magicka Templar DPS mage. With their racial bonuses to fire, I figured it would give a little extra. Also, Dunmer is one of my favourite races. I also got someone to craft her a proper set of armor - Seducers/Torugs pact. However, I fast realised that for someone exploring and questing, that robes are at best impractical. So, with the release of TG, the set she got was styled in the mercenary jerkin fashion, which seems a lot more practical to me. I may go with Ancient Elf for the next set, as it has a warmer look to it, and looks more guild like, but very practical at the same time.

However, I gave a backstory, and gave a fitting in-lore name. I made her part of House Virian, but fighting for DC initially, as she grew up in the Alik'r Desert. However, she considers herself more of a Mercenary for hire, and will fight for who-ever has the best cause or pays the right money. She *really* dislikes those high-elves though, and whilst she is currently running a few tasks for Queen Ayrenn, she feels she is constantly having to make sure she is ok, much like a big sister. She feels Ayrenn just...I don't know...is a little weak?

She was always impressed with the Redguard, and has always felt that High King Emeric had the right idea all along. Does not like King Jorunn, though she knows the Ebonheart will soon require her help. She feels he is a little too aggressive.

She is looking forward to finally meeting up with some of her family, and has heard much of Naryu.

The Skald King's voice bugged me. While I do like the voice actor, his voice didn't seem fitting for the character. His dialog seemed to overemphasize the wrong parts. He seemed to be struggling.

Awe,I love Peter Stormare's voice as the king. He's just a bit responsibility laden,Jorunn is,so that struggling voice fits,..for me anyway.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2016

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

First TBS is probably better than hundings in a proper group setting so nice job min/maxing. Haha.

I think the vast majority of people play like that. I did for the better part of a year. I was a dagger and bow NB at launch and it was a long time before any min/maxer would even consider it to be viable.

That being said, at some point a little min/maxing goes a long way. The vast majority of this game can be completed with almost no thought to a build. Hovever, if you want to be competitive at end game, "play the way you want" sort of flies out the window.

Just made a post about TBS vs Juli for group play.

KK, done advertising for myself. Bow was not viable for pve for a year, and they changed it so that it is. The fact that you were using bow for a year before that does not mean you had some great insight, it just means you used bow back when it sucked. No offense.

Never said I had any great insight. I was pointing out that for a long time I ran a sub-optimal build because I wanted to play dagger/bow regardless of performance. In other words, not min/maxing. That was the point of this thread.

Also, bow is still terrible single target DPS in PVE. There was a period for a few months when it was really good, but it was short lived. Bow has not been competitive as a main bar weapon in quite some time. Is is viable, sure, but people are clearing vWGT with nothing but light attacks. Almost anything is viable. However, it's certainly not competitive.

Again, kind of my point. Play the way you want works for most things in this game unless you are talking competitive end-game. Some people like to compete and some don't. Neither group is in the wrong.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

I don't really see the appeal of min/max - I'm not a dungeon runner, and very much a completionist. I have no desire to go chasing "end game" gear.

I did slightly concede to the min/max paradigm when creating my current main - A Dunmer Magicka Templar DPS mage. With their racial bonuses to fire, I figured it would give a little extra. Also, Dunmer is one of my favourite races. I also got someone to craft her a proper set of armor - Seducers/Torugs pact. However, I fast realised that for someone exploring and questing, that robes are at best impractical. So, with the release of TG, the set she got was styled in the mercenary jerkin fashion, which seems a lot more practical to me. I may go with Ancient Elf for the next set, as it has a warmer look to it, and looks more guild like, but very practical at the same time.

However, I gave a backstory, and gave a fitting in-lore name. I made her part of House Virian, but fighting for DC initially, as she grew up in the Alik'r Desert. However, she considers herself more of a Mercenary for hire, and will fight for who-ever has the best cause or pays the right money. She *really* dislikes those high-elves though, and whilst she is currently running a few tasks for Queen Ayrenn, she feels she is constantly having to make sure she is ok, much like a big sister. She feels Ayrenn just...I don't know...is a little weak?

She was always impressed with the Redguard, and has always felt that High King Emeric had the right idea all along. Does not like King Jorunn, though she knows the Ebonheart will soon require her help. She feels he is a little too aggressive.

She is looking forward to finally meeting up with some of her family, and has heard much of Naryu.

The Skald King's voice bugged me. While I do like the voice actor, his voice didn't seem fitting for the character. His dialog seemed to overemphasize the wrong parts. He seemed to be struggling.

Awe,I love Peter Stormare's voice as the king. He's just a bit responsibility laden,Jorunn is,so that struggling voice fits,..for me anyway.

I love the guy. My favorite character in Armageddon. He was good in Bad Boys 2. Just didn't do it for me as Jorunn though. I liked Emeric and Ayrenn

Volkodav · May 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

First TBS is probably better than hundings in a proper group setting so nice job min/maxing. Haha.

I think the vast majority of people play like that. I did for the better part of a year. I was a dagger and bow NB at launch and it was a long time before any min/maxer would even consider it to be viable.

That being said, at some point a little min/maxing goes a long way. The vast majority of this game can be completed with almost no thought to a build. Hovever, if you want to be competitive at end game, "play the way you want" sort of flies out the window.

Just made a post about TBS vs Juli for group play.

KK, done advertising for myself. Bow was not viable for pve for a year, and they changed it so that it is. The fact that you were using bow for a year before that does not mean you had some great insight, it just means you used bow back when it sucked. No offense.

Never said I had any great insight. I was pointing out that for a long time I ran a sub-optimal build because I wanted to play dagger/bow regardless of performance. In other words, not min/maxing. That was the point of this thread.

Also, bow is still terrible single target DPS in PVE. There was a period for a few months when it was really good, but it was short lived. Bow has not been competitive as a main bar weapon in quite some time. Is is viable, sure, but people are clearing vWGT with nothing but light attacks. Almost anything is viable. However, it's certainly not competitive.

Again, kind of my point. Play the way you want works for most things in this game unless you are talking competitive end-game. Some people like to compete and some don't. Neither group is in the wrong.

I dont understand why a bow isnt a good main bar weapon to have for PvE. This is all I use on all my alts. I have no problems with it giving me the damage I need when I need it.I have dual wield on my second bar and switch when caught in close up combat.
I can see that it might be a problem in PvP though.

notimetocare · May 2016

frostitomik wrote: »

I use daggers for pvp.

Thx for the AP :P

MasterSpatula · May 2016

I tend to fall into the "ZOS should have stood their ground and never given us access to hard numbers about how much damage we're doing" camp. I find a lot more fun in my build just by switching up my bar from time to time and seeing what seems to give the best results.

OTOH, the results of the theorycrafters' and min/maxers' exhaustive work is readily available. I would hate trying to keep up with the FOTM builds, but reading what others are doing is at least good for giving me ideas for what to try next.

FortheloveofKrist · May 2016

Another example. I created another getup with two full sets, half Eternal Hunt and half Bahara's Curse. And since the two set bonuses (when proc'd) are Green and Blue respectively, I had to create glass swords (green) for the Eternal Hunt bar and dyed the armor a mix of blue and green. He looks like a ridiculous superhero. I even searched around for which enchant was blue for the weapon on the Bahara's curse side.

Goofy, I know. But I learned to play with the two sets, and it was a TON of fun. Especially the Eternal Hunt set.

Thanks for all the positive comments and shares. Keep em coming.

Oh, and for those who don't want me in their group cause I don't max my stats, yes you can always kick me an wait another hour for a replacement tank. Seems short-sighted to kick a person who knows the dungeon mechanics, has crafted gold sets, and helps others without getting all judgmental about playstyle. But that's your choice.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

I have challenged myself to go through different zones with my main or alts trying things like
-magic Templar Reguard (tank, dps, heal, by rid of any two) with sword n shield, 2 hand, destruction staff, healing staff, dual wield.

Some all weapon skills like healing with only healing staff or dps with destruction staff.
Even using only undaunted and this or that in solo, dungeons or MSA.

Also, just questing and trying to complete any ZOS achievements on console with no add-ons

Volkodav · May 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Another example. I created another getup with two full sets, half Eternal Hunt and half Bahara's Curse. And since the two set bonuses (when proc'd) are Green and Blue respectively, I had to create glass swords (green) for the Eternal Hunt bar and dyed the armor a mix of blue and green. He looks like a ridiculous superhero. I even searched around for which enchant was blue for the weapon on the Bahara's curse side.

Goofy, I know. But I learned to play with the two sets, and it was a TON of fun. Especially the Eternal Hunt set.

Thanks for all the positive comments and shares. Keep em coming.

Oh, and for those who don't want me in their group cause I don't max my stats, yes you can always kick me an wait another hour for a replacement tank. Seems short-sighted to kick a person who knows the dungeon mechanics, has crafted gold sets, and helps others without getting all judgmental about playstyle. But that's your choice.

Hehehe.Sounds like your two sets were fun to build. I may have to get the glass weapons.I already have the Bahraha's Curse ones.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · May 2016

I've played and continue to play a lot of mmo's. I've never once worried about min/max, meta, or the best gear. I enjoy the ride wherever I go. I willingly group with people that are fun over those that run groups like I'm back in boot camp.

FortheloveofKrist · May 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Hehehe.Sounds like your two sets were fun to build. I may have to get the glass weapons.I already have the Bahraha's Curse ones.

Between Bahara's bonus, Eternal's roll dodge (which can be done in multiple locations at once), Volcanic Rune, and Manifestation of Terror, the ground was covered with blue and green and red and black. DANGER! DANGER!

But doesn't work in PvP. You just get buttpunched and slapped around. But super fun for PvE.

JamieAubrey · May 2016

Never done a single undaunted run on any my characters, I use my own crafted gear and dont grind to get the best gear etc and I still have fun playing

Volkodav · May 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Hehehe.Sounds like your two sets were fun to build. I may have to get the glass weapons.I already have the Bahraha's Curse ones.

Between Bahara's bonus, Eternal's roll dodge (which can be done in multiple locations at once), Volcanic Rune, and Manifestation of Terror, the ground was covered with blue and green and red and black. DANGER! DANGER!

But doesn't work in PvP. You just get buttpunched and slapped around. But super fun for PvE.

Hehehe! Well at least the ground was quite colorful! XD
No,it wouldnt work well in PvP though.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Never done a single undaunted run on any my characters, I use my own crafted gear and dont grind to get the best gear etc and I still have fun playing

Same here. I use all crafted sets as well. Trying out a siphon blade khajiit with restoration staff on one bar and dual daggers on the other. Going for a self sufficient build. I am currently lvl 42. I can solo world bosses and group delves. I consider that a win.

acw37162 · May 2016

Your not giving up much with Twice Born Star it may actually be best in slot or very close depending on which mundus stones you use.

TBS all legendary divines with Thief and shadow stones is almost plus 18% crit chance and crit damage.

Now tell me you crafted as a stam build a five piece tourgs pact with infused weapons with weapon and spell damage enchants and you have an off the wall build.

Or

A stam DK tavas Blessing build

Or

A stam on magica DK with Penials Appitude (new dark brotherhood set)

Congrats though on 9 researched traits that is an accomplishment.

Eirikir · May 2016

I use a 1h+s and a bow with Heavy Armor... 7 pieces..... a dirty causal. How dare I not mid/max.

I have actually had people walk up to me in towns and pick fights with me over my scrub choices. Note though I don't make others suffer in content. Some good buddies who are also dirty casuals hold a static and by the way we have fun. Might take us an hour to finish the hall of the dead in windhelm.... but the comments alone are worth it.

ShedsHisTail · May 2016

I've very much done my own thing with little concern for min/maxing all the way up to V16. I run PUG dungeons all the time and I've never heard any complaints about my build or rotation.

I run a Stamblade with stealthy dual-dagger set-up on my primary bar with and emphasis on single target DPS, I run a more in-your-face dual axes on my secondary bar with an emphasis on AOE damage. I've found both bars have their time and place. The daggers are super handy in dungeons for "healer hunting" as I call it. When you get those packs of guys you just can't bring down.. find that healer(s) and burn him. And the AOE is handy for other trash. Dual daggers also pretty useful for a lot of boss fights.

I've played that way since beta. Even when Nightblades and Stam builds were terrible because that's the character I've wanted to play. Similarly, I've found it's important to know your limitations so you're desire to play how you want isn't infringing on other peoples desire to play how -they- want.

However, I've also found there is a lot of room for min/maxing within that format. I look into high dps builds online, look at what skills and gear people are using and say, "How can I incorporate these things into what I'm already doing?" In the last couple of weeks I upped my DPS output fairly significantly just by slotting a few skills I hadn't considered before; I'd allowed myself to get into a rut. These minor changes had a minimal effect on my play style.

I guess what I'm saying is, despite how you play, there's always room for improvement. Little tweaks that can me made here or there. None of the Veteran Dungeons are so difficult that a group of competent players can't best them, regardless of build... As long as they have a healer and tank.

Learn the fights, stay out of the bad, have fun, play the way you want.

laurajf · May 2016

I only play games that allow me to play as I feel comfortable/find enjoyable and still be able to solo a decent amount of the game to be satisfied. I don't group up. I don't PVP. I don't run "end game" content. I think I learned to become solo in MMOs just because of the folks who take games very seriously, min/max, use this exact spec, these exact skills, in this exact order at this exact time. No offense to those folks. I'm glad they enjoy the game that way but I refuse to do that. My real-life job dictates what I have to do in order to keep my job and receive a paycheck. I play to relax after a stressful day at work. Games in my spare time will absolutely not dictate what I do, how I do it, and when I do it. Unless you pay me, of course.

Thus, I am a solo player. I am in only one guild just to sell the stuff I don't need/want. I was in beta and just reached VR16 on my sorc a couple weeks ago. She's my crafter, maxed in everything except enchanting (surprise), which is in the mid 30s I think. She has only 260 or so CPs. While I've read a few threads talking about best spec and this and that, I quickly realized I just didn't care and stopped reading. If I can get through quests and the harder quest "bosses" and still survive, I'm doing fine in my book, even if I have to die once or twice before beating them.

I am in the process of raising some baby alts now with the help of my crafter for gear. My baby alts are most likely not ideal specs/weapons/whatever and I really don't care. I'll find out soon enough whether I've chosen wrong skills when I try to defeat the harder quest bosses. Then I'll pick and choose what I want from my available skills until I can beat them.

I won't ever burden the other folks out there, though, by joining anything that requires group effort, so nobody has to panic about my less than stellar choices.

Volkodav · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

I don't really see the appeal of min/max - I'm not a dungeon runner, and very much a completionist. I have no desire to go chasing "end game" gear.

I did slightly concede to the min/max paradigm when creating my current main - A Dunmer Magicka Templar DPS mage. With their racial bonuses to fire, I figured it would give a little extra. Also, Dunmer is one of my favourite races. I also got someone to craft her a proper set of armor - Seducers/Torugs pact. However, I fast realised that for someone exploring and questing, that robes are at best impractical. So, with the release of TG, the set she got was styled in the mercenary jerkin fashion, which seems a lot more practical to me. I may go with Ancient Elf for the next set, as it has a warmer look to it, and looks more guild like, but very practical at the same time.

However, I gave a backstory, and gave a fitting in-lore name. I made her part of House Virian, but fighting for DC initially, as she grew up in the Alik'r Desert. However, she considers herself more of a Mercenary for hire, and will fight for who-ever has the best cause or pays the right money. She *really* dislikes those high-elves though, and whilst she is currently running a few tasks for Queen Ayrenn, she feels she is constantly having to make sure she is ok, much like a big sister. She feels Ayrenn just...I don't know...is a little weak?

She was always impressed with the Redguard, and has always felt that High King Emeric had the right idea all along. Does not like King Jorunn, though she knows the Ebonheart will soon require her help. She feels he is a little too aggressive.

She is looking forward to finally meeting up with some of her family, and has heard much of Naryu.

The Skald King's voice bugged me. While I do like the voice actor, his voice didn't seem fitting for the character. His dialog seemed to overemphasize the wrong parts. He seemed to be struggling.

Awe,I love Peter Stormare's voice as the king. He's just a bit responsibility laden,Jorunn is,so that struggling voice fits,..for me anyway.

I love the guy. My favorite character in Armageddon. He was good in Bad Boys 2. Just didn't do it for me as Jorunn though. I liked Emeric and Ayrenn

Oh! That nutty Cosmonaut! He was my favorite character too! He is always awesome in all his roles.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

laurajf wrote: »

I only play games that allow me to play as I feel comfortable/find enjoyable and still be able to solo a decent amount of the game to be satisfied. I don't group up. I don't PVP. I don't run "end game" content. I think I learned to become solo in MMOs just because of the folks who take games very seriously, min/max, use this exact spec, these exact skills, in this exact order at this exact time. No offense to those folks. I'm glad they enjoy the game that way but I refuse to do that. My real-life job dictates what I have to do in order to keep my job and receive a paycheck. I play to relax after a stressful day at work. Games in my spare time will absolutely not dictate what I do, how I do it, and when I do it. Unless you pay me, of course.

Thus, I am a solo player. I am in only one guild just to sell the stuff I don't need/want. I was in beta and just reached VR16 on my sorc a couple weeks ago. She's my crafter, maxed in everything except enchanting (surprise), which is in the mid 30s I think. She has only 260 or so CPs. While I've read a few threads talking about best spec and this and that, I quickly realized I just didn't care and stopped reading. If I can get through quests and the harder quest "bosses" and still survive, I'm doing fine in my book, even if I have to die once or twice before beating them.

I am in the process of raising some baby alts now with the help of my crafter for gear. My baby alts are most likely not ideal specs/weapons/whatever and I really don't care. I'll find out soon enough whether I've chosen wrong skills when I try to defeat the harder quest bosses. Then I'll pick and choose what I want from my available skills until I can beat them.

I won't ever burden the other folks out there, though, by joining anything that requires group effort, so nobody has to panic about my less than stellar choices.

I'd group with ya

FortheloveofKrist · May 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Congrats though on 9 researched traits that is an accomplishment.

@acw37162 ... I must admit, I totally did it cause I just hit the 5 pieces of med armor at 9 traits and recently read all the Akaviri motifs. First thing I did was run out an make a TBS Akaviri set. Like a little kid at Christmas.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

I like to use dual swords when healing in heavy armor on my DK in dungeons. I know it isn't optimal but I like it. For some reasons most the people I find in the dungeon finder don't seem to really enjoy it as much....

Volkodav · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I like to use dual swords when healing in heavy armor on my DK in dungeons. I know it isn't optimal but I like it. For some reasons most the people I find in the dungeon finder don't seem to really enjoy it as much....

Thing is that it works for you.If you enjoy this way of playing,and you have no problems,keep it up.
Everyone should play as they want to.Those people who say foolish things because someone plays in a manner different than their own are just idiotic.
Those who try to help with someone's builds are to be commended though.Giving advise is different than berating someone.

Taisynn · May 2016

I'm a roleplayer. I usually stick to PVE and quest content; occasionally I'll go out and PVP for something different. I'm a good enough DPS for group finder and such. I can pass through and survive them just fine.

Majority of my time that I play I PVE and quest, but there are days I do nothing but roleplay with my guild The Jackals. It's a guild for Skyrim (Ebonhart Pact) Mercenaries, Thieves, and Madmen. There are equal amounts of fun/silly RP and serious RP (like kidnappings and ransomes for one.) It's quite fun for everyone. It's based in Riften where a lot of guilds actually use as a homebase.

http://thejackals.enjin.com if you're interested in signing up. All races welcome. I play a Bosmer Madwoman.

There are also many guilds that support RP with no theme. They're just OOC hubs that help link people to roleplay events and hubs. They'll even help you find a guild of your own. I'm part of a guild called Roleplayers Unlimited as well.

ArchMikem · May 2016

My first character, my Khajiit Sorcerer, didn't even know what an Armor Set was until well into her Vet levels. Her only maxed out crafting skill is Clothing. Blacksmithing and Woodworking? They're not even at 10. She doesn't even understand the concept of Enchanting and Alchemy. And whenever she's hungry she goes to the local Chef.

My third character Tazrah? She's a bit more...knowledgeable. She's been working on all three of her Clothing, Blacksmithing, and Woodworking in tandem, though Enchanting and Alchemy still eludes her kitty thoughts. However she's still a very squishy, incompetent fighter that likes to think she's helping make a difference, what with firing her Dark Flare Artillery at the Vet16 enemy charging her way, who dodges each one passively. Then she get's a Ferocious Leap to the face and proceeds to ignore her instincts and fall flat on her back.

BlueViolet · May 2016

laurajf wrote: »

I only play games that allow me to play as I feel comfortable/find enjoyable and still be able to solo a decent amount of the game to be satisfied. I don't group up. I don't PVP. I don't run "end game" content. I think I learned to become solo in MMOs just because of the folks who take games very seriously, min/max, use this exact spec, these exact skills, in this exact order at this exact time. No offense to those folks. I'm glad they enjoy the game that way but I refuse to do that. My real-life job dictates what I have to do in order to keep my job and receive a paycheck. I play to relax after a stressful day at work. Games in my spare time will absolutely not dictate what I do, how I do it, and when I do it. Unless you pay me, of course.

Thus, I am a solo player. I am in only one guild just to sell the stuff I don't need/want. I was in beta and just reached VR16 on my sorc a couple weeks ago. She's my crafter, maxed in everything except enchanting (surprise), which is in the mid 30s I think. She has only 260 or so CPs. While I've read a few threads talking about best spec and this and that, I quickly realized I just didn't care and stopped reading. If I can get through quests and the harder quest "bosses" and still survive, I'm doing fine in my book, even if I have to die once or twice before beating them.

I am in the process of raising some baby alts now with the help of my crafter for gear. My baby alts are most likely not ideal specs/weapons/whatever and I really don't care. I'll find out soon enough whether I've chosen wrong skills when I try to defeat the harder quest bosses. Then I'll pick and choose what I want from my available skills until I can beat them.

I won't ever burden the other folks out there, though, by joining anything that requires group effort, so nobody has to panic about my less than stellar choices.

This is just how I feel too.

I just meander around sometimes, and collect things, or pick flowers when I am not questing. I've tried PvP, and I enjoy sieging a fort but I'm not good enough to sustain in PvP so I don't usually do it.

I don't minx max or run dungeons so have no fear of being kicked from some elitists group, and I play alone so I'm not hurting or inconveniencing anyone with my habits, or my love of really strange builds that look ridiculous in theory, but that I like to try and make work.

a1i3nz · May 2016

What makes this game so cool is that you can be as casual as you want, have fun, RP, pick flowers etc and be totally fine with that. Or you can put in massive time and effort in an attempt to be the best PVPer, have the highest rank, get Emperor, or top the leaderboards. I respect both, but I've always been a hardcore player with all games.

STEVIL · May 2016

GREAT!!!

For me, its usually backstory before design. that helps with the in-game choices like kill or forgive too.

For sets and such, i do go for a good set but not necessarily the latest meta decimal maxed. As long as they coordinate, serve my purposes and look good - i am good to go.

tried all sorts of things. That is partly why most of my characters have lotsa different armor skills. At one time or another, they used them.

Streaking down the beach in hews Bane can be interesting - esp when the shocks rile up the mudcrabs from hell.

Azzuria · May 2016

The only 'stat' I'm concerned about is 'can I kill this / these mob(s)?'

If the answer is 'yes', then I'm good.

GeorgeBlack · May 2016

I play with Dualswords and heavy armor. I like my Imperial Helm and Shoulders, dont care for kena.

I am a stamina DK and as soon as DB starts, ima stop using Corossive Armor(fart armor), Unstable Flames (snot scratch) and Burning Flame (Puke)

I play with 460 ping on med pop Cyrodill cause of my location (that's ok I still have fun and I manage in PvP). PvE is dead easy in this game so I have done all but vMA. It was good fun.

As soon as the game stops being fun cause of Poison Brotherhood DLC ima stop. Period.

In the mean time I look forward in playing ESO every day 2-3h.

I am a hardcore pvp gamer when playing open world, non instanced maps/games.

That is my insight