Are Healers Priviledged compared to Damage Dealers?

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO · May 2016

Lol this game ain't Everquest . There's not privileged class
If you want to relive that era again wait for pantheon rise of the fallen

Humatiel · May 2016

Jay_Gally wrote: »

The healer rarely get's a "thatta boy" but always gets a wtf when the knuckle dragging dps stand in the red circles. I started as a dps but have since played a healer. It has since improved my resource mngt and location within dungeons and even pvp. We're the reason the glass cannons live another day to spam wrecking blow.

its funny you say that when I've by far had more "healer healers" who absolutely refuse to either provide resources or dps along with healing. I often get paired with dps who dont pull optimal numbers but are sufficient to complete content, show me a PuG healer using orbs though and I'll pay you for the time.

Ggrab · May 2016

On my temp healer I always had 1 bar for heals and 1 bar for dps , I switch between them and I do my fair amount of DPS.

I even do 4 heal 1 dps ability on resto staff bar and 4 dps 1 heal ability on the desto staff bar

If u just spam heal and blank attacks to regain mp then Yea your a lazy healer no excuses

FrostFallFox · May 2016

@Ggrab

The thing is, I can't do anything without getting crap for it.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

No

Humatiel wrote: »

Jay_Gally wrote: »

The healer rarely get's a "thatta boy" but always gets a wtf when the knuckle dragging dps stand in the red circles. I started as a dps but have since played a healer. It has since improved my resource mngt and location within dungeons and even pvp. We're the reason the glass cannons live another day to spam wrecking blow.

its funny you say that when I've by far had more "healer healers" who absolutely refuse to either provide resources or dps along with healing. I often get paired with dps who dont pull optimal numbers but are sufficient to complete content, show me a PuG healer using orbs though and I'll pay you for the time.

That depends really.
I have the best healing equipment, all support spells, drain, ele, orbs and shards, and of course war horn, but in some pugs it was easier to let "dds" die and solo the boss.
Its fun to be dd/support/whatever in a good group, bad group simply wont allow this.

Thybrinena · May 2016

Welcome to DPS Scrolls online.

Taisynn · May 2016

https://youtu.be/2DxS7eT_ky4

Fruitmass · May 2016

No

Humatiel wrote: »

Jay_Gally wrote: »

The healer rarely get's a "thatta boy" but always gets a wtf when the knuckle dragging dps stand in the red circles. I started as a dps but have since played a healer. It has since improved my resource mngt and location within dungeons and even pvp. We're the reason the glass cannons live another day to spam wrecking blow.

its funny you say that when I've by far had more "healer healers" who absolutely refuse to either provide resources or dps along with healing. I often get paired with dps who dont pull optimal numbers but are sufficient to complete content, show me a PuG healer using orbs though and I'll pay you for the time.

Meh. Elemental Drain, Repentance, Syphon Spirit, Luminous Shards and Aggressive Horn I'll use as much as possible and I'll also throw out some Dawn's Wrath skills for the Minor Sorcery buff gladly. It's just that from personal experience with PuGs rarely will I see anyone activate Mystic Orb when I cast it. So I usually don't slot it unless someone asks for it. Of course if someone does ask me to use it I'll be happy to oblige.

negbert · May 2016

Syphon spirit on bosses and shards for the tank. War horn for vet groups and barrier for lowbies. It's not worth running orbs on pugs because no one ever uses them. I've even seen people roll dodge out of my bogdan procs. I like to have the Jesus beam slotted as it's better to execute with hots running than waste time with a low dps group.

Humatiel · May 2016

So we're back to same issue then, the skill level with PuGs varies so wildly that its impossible to form any sort of reasonable expectation of environmental preparation. Which if that is the case you must assume that all other members of the team will almost certainly wipe and assume its a solo + meat-shields.

Azzuria · May 2016

No

First off, that whole 'privileged' crap just annoys the ever-loving sh** outta me.

Secondly, healing, like tanking, is a role of great responsibility and a whole lot of blame-taking for things that they honestly cannot control... like idiot DPS not moving out of the way, expecting the healer to focus ONLY on their dumb a**es instead of the whole group.

Because it's a high-stress job, and one fewer people are willing to do because of the blame-shifting, finger-pointing and all-around sh**-talking they have to put up with, their queues are shorter.

It's basic economics, really. Everyone wants what only a few will supply.

FrostFallFox · May 2016

@Azzuria

Sorry, it wasn't my intention.

Vangy · May 2016

No

Shunravi wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Pfft. If you got the boot you prolly deserved it. Healers need to L2P. Watch the informative and very accurate video posted on youtube via link below. Pls refrain from commenting until you watch the whole video. That way I know you've tried to L2P;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Credits go to Hive mind.

Hey!

Wait never mind. It's so nice you can see it twice.

@Shunravi
Oh crap I just realised you already posted this video before me X.X
But like you said, its so awesome you can watch it twice. Or thrice. Hahaha.

CaptainBeerDude · May 2016

Valrien wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

As much as a good healer will make a team better.
A crappy team can make the healer look like $hit.

@FrostFallFox, if healing is your thing, don't let scrubs stopping you from doing what you want to do.

Healing is much harder than it looks and by far in my opinion the hardest role to play out of the three.
You have to be aware of everything (everyones positions including the NPC, as well as never taking your eyes off the health bars)

When I heal, I make sure to often cast my AOE and jump on the offense when it feels right.
How good the players you are playing with will dictate how much you can participate on the offense.

Two rules to never forget when healing:
1. Make sure you have a Heal Over Time on everybody at all time (this means casting Rapid Regen and Healing Springs A LOT and also pre fight)
2. If nobody need heals, don't heal... (other than making sure your HOT are up..)

But in general, nobody should give you crap because you are healing 90%+ of the time during a dungeon, that's your role. If they can't do enough DPS, they are the ones that are doing something wrong.

Your job is to heal and keep everyone alive.

Your job as a healer is to keep everyone alive and running. A healer that doesn't focus on restoring magicka and stamina along with providing buffs to DPS is simply put: a bad healer.

So only a Templar can be a good healer? Or is there a non-class stam regen mechanic that I am unaware of?

sluice · May 2016

No

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

As much as a good healer will make a team better.
A crappy team can make the healer look like $hit.

@FrostFallFox, if healing is your thing, don't let scrubs stopping you from doing what you want to do.

Healing is much harder than it looks and by far in my opinion the hardest role to play out of the three.
You have to be aware of everything (everyones positions including the NPC, as well as never taking your eyes off the health bars)

When I heal, I make sure to often cast my AOE and jump on the offense when it feels right.
How good the players you are playing with will dictate how much you can participate on the offense.

Two rules to never forget when healing:
1. Make sure you have a Heal Over Time on everybody at all time (this means casting Rapid Regen and Healing Springs A LOT and also pre fight)
2. If nobody need heals, don't heal... (other than making sure your HOT are up..)

But in general, nobody should give you crap because you are healing 90%+ of the time during a dungeon, that's your role. If they can't do enough DPS, they are the ones that are doing something wrong.

Your job is to heal and keep everyone alive.

Your job as a healer is to keep everyone alive and running. A healer that doesn't focus on restoring magicka and stamina along with providing buffs to DPS is simply put: a bad healer.

So only a Templar can be a good healer? Or is there a non-class stam regen mechanic that I am unaware of?

Templar are the best healers because of not only they are the only class with a specific skill line geared towards healing but because of ressources regen skills they have... but saying ONLY a Templar can be a good healer is completely false.

I personally love to heal with my Sorc (even more than with my templar) and I don't struggle at all through Vet Dungeons.
I just wish there was a Stamina Regen mechanism in the Restoration Staff skill line... to make my sorc just as good, if not better than a tip-top templar.

Azzuria · May 2016

No

FrostFallFox wrote: »

@Azzuria

Sorry, it wasn't my intention.

Not your problem, it's mine. Your point was well founded and my reaction to a word was way over the top.

Azzuria · May 2016

No

sluice wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

As much as a good healer will make a team better.
A crappy team can make the healer look like $hit.

@FrostFallFox, if healing is your thing, don't let scrubs stopping you from doing what you want to do.

Healing is much harder than it looks and by far in my opinion the hardest role to play out of the three.
You have to be aware of everything (everyones positions including the NPC, as well as never taking your eyes off the health bars)

When I heal, I make sure to often cast my AOE and jump on the offense when it feels right.
How good the players you are playing with will dictate how much you can participate on the offense.

Two rules to never forget when healing:
1. Make sure you have a Heal Over Time on everybody at all time (this means casting Rapid Regen and Healing Springs A LOT and also pre fight)
2. If nobody need heals, don't heal... (other than making sure your HOT are up..)

But in general, nobody should give you crap because you are healing 90%+ of the time during a dungeon, that's your role. If they can't do enough DPS, they are the ones that are doing something wrong.

Your job is to heal and keep everyone alive.

Your job as a healer is to keep everyone alive and running. A healer that doesn't focus on restoring magicka and stamina along with providing buffs to DPS is simply put: a bad healer.

So only a Templar can be a good healer? Or is there a non-class stam regen mechanic that I am unaware of?

Templar are the best healers because of not only they are the only class with a specific skill line geared towards healing but because of ressources regen skills they have... but saying ONLY a Templar can be a good healer is completely false.

I personally love to heal with my Sorc (even more than with my templar) and I don't struggle at all through Vet Dungeons.
I just wish there was a Stamina Regen mechanism in the Restoration Staff skill line... to make my sorc just as good, if not better than a tip-top templar.

My Nightblade ( though she's pretty low level still ) is a highly effective healer. Haven't gotten around to the Magicka / Stamina regen stuff yet, but to claim that ONLY one class can do one thing is, as you said, false.

notimetocare · May 2016

No

Privileged? the fugly monkey you talking about?
This is gaming, there is no privilege, only results. Though, to be fair... if you are a templar healer and you have people dying to lightning walls... yes that is your fault because your spear shard skill sucks.

NBrookus · May 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Privileged? the fugly monkey you talking about?
This is gaming, there is no privilege, only results. Though, to be fair... if you are a templar healer and you have people dying to lightning walls... yes that is your fault because your spear shard skill sucks.

Except they fixed that bug.

Mojmir · May 2016

No

just for the record templars are not always the best healers,but they are the easiest.

Reverb · May 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

healers are like the bass player in a band,they get the most *** but behind the scenes they're secretly holding it together

that's why I named my healer john Paul Jones

It upsets me that I can only give one awesome. Can we get a standing ovation button?

Samwell Slayer · May 2016

FrostFallFox wrote: »

I'm thinking of this with group PvE content in mind.

It just seems like you can't do anything right, you know? If all you do is heal, you're not helping out with DPS. If you do any kind of DPS, you're not doing your job right. If you can't heal a group member with 11k health through Kena's Lightning walls, you're the reason why the group is failing and you GET THE ALMIGHTY BOOT, even if you've spent 3 hours doing VWGT.

I honestly thought my heals were clutch af and on point. I've enough magicka regen to spam heals all day, enough health to not drop super quick, and my heals still hit for 20+K. I often apply buffs, debuffs, shards, purify, aggressive horn, barrier, all that stuff.

It just hurt me, being told what I've been doing wasn't good enough.

I started thinking I would be desired in groups, because healers aren't as common as damage dealers.

But now I must retire from the Pug Life, it was NOT lit, fam.

Have you heard of ele drain? We you using it when asked? Did you tell the group to *** off, and tell them it's their job to run ele drain? If so you deserved to be booted. If not go to step 2.

You use a resto staff, right? You're using the first and second resto skills? If not, then it's your fault. If so proceed to step 3.

If you were dying first, then it's your fault. If you not, then proceed to step 4.

If they were dying first, it's probably theres. Afterall, you're healing them for as much as you're healing yourself. If you can live through stuff, and they can't, then it's their fault. If it's their fault, then who gives a ***. I once was told by a pug that I'm trying to DPS instead of healing cuz I was throwing out them shiney balls. (Healing balls). I now have a funny story to tell others that I would never have had if I didn't group with pugs

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FrostFallFox · May 2016

@Samwell Slayer

I suppose it wasn't my fault.

Mirelurk · May 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

f you are a templar healer and you have people dying to lightning walls... yes that is your fault because your spear shard skill sucks.

Seems you haven't run vWGT lately.

AmberLaTerra · May 2016

No

Both healers and Tanks get it from all sides, either we are not good enough when the DPS's get one hit for doing stupid things like running around any making MOBS further in argo, or we are not doe enough DPS ourselves while actually filling our rolls keeping them alive in your case, or keeping the mobs off the healer/boss focused on us in my case as I am a tank.

Most of the glass cannons seem to expect us to match there damage output while making sure they are not piled, one hit, or dying from their own stupidity in not avoiding the mechanics that can 1 hit them.

If anything that are the privileged group in all they need to do is hack and slash while we have the jobs of keeping them alive to do it and managing our resources to ensure we can do so. It a thankless job that just gets us hated on. I only dungeon with my guilds at this point due to it, being hated on for lack of DPS and often dungeons taking forever when going PUG due to only myself and the healer being left standing to do slow DPS to bosses as the DPS players die again as soon as they are Rezzed by staying in red circles made me just abandon PUG.