Hunding's Rage vs Night Mother's Gaze

adema360 · September 2015

I have a stam build night blade and I don't think I've seen this question before but I was wondering if it's better to have a set with 4 & 4 (with a 2h weapon), or if I should do 5/3 and if I should do 5/3 which set would be better to have a set of 5, I read that the extra weapon damage is broken on Hunding's Rage so does that mean I should just run 5 Night Mother's Gaze and 3 Hunding's Rage if that is the case.

Morimizo · September 2015

Well, I hope the wep bonus on Hunding's isn't broken; at least it shows up properly on the overall stats page.

If it is indeed working as intended, I use and recommend 5 Hunding's, 3 or 4 Ashen Grip (if you want some HP), or 3 or 4 Night Mother (for Wep Crit.), if you're running pure crafted sets.

Reeko · September 2015

The 5 peice for Hundings is'nt broken, the 5 peice for Ravager is but in a good way.

Zlater · September 2015

Ok I did some quick calculations on these two sets, when it comes to the hundings vs night mother hundings wins by a long shot. The night mother 5piece bonus doesn't stack, so the armor debuff is only marginal unfortunately. Well maybe it does stack, it after 30mins I didn't see s second proc on the same enemy.

adema360 · September 2015

Thanks allot for the advice, good to know Hunding's is hands down the better set. I'll try running 5/3 until I get to vet 14+ and work on getting Ravager after that.

kalimar44 · September 2015

I do 5 hundings and 3 ashen grip. The ashen grip is 2 daggers,and 1 2h sword.

Zlater · September 2015

kalimar44 wrote: »

I do 5 hundings and 3 ashen grip. The ashen grip is 2 daggers,and 1 2h sword.

hmm yeah its ok, I would suggest Night mothers though, the 3 piece bonus got changed to weapon damage ;D and 3pcs of nights silence is not too bad either, we're all having stam issues now

Otherwise I also recommend 3pcs of song of lamae, before this would have been useless, but with the buffs to magicka and the fixing of nirncrux, especially the spell resistance on this set becomes appealing, even to a stam NB.

Zsymon · September 2015

The 3 piece from Night Mother gives a lot less weapon damage than the 5 piece from Hunding though, especially since 2-4 piece bonuses were nerfed, but not 5 piece ones.

Zlater · September 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

The 3 piece from Night Mother gives a lot less weapon damage than the 5 piece from Hunding though, especially since 2-4 piece bonuses were nerfed, but not 5 piece ones.

Thats true, anyway anyone seen a stamina bro-ducer set yet?

Alcast · September 2015

Reeko wrote: »

The 5 peice for Hundings is'nt broken, the 5 peice for Ravager is but in a good way.

Ravager 5 piece is broken? In what way?

SLy_Kyti · September 2015

kalimar44 wrote: »

I do 5 hundings and 3 ashen grip. The ashen grip is 2 daggers,and 1 2h sword.

This is my recommendation as well. Until you can get some boss dropped sets.

I_killed_Vivec · September 2015

Ashen Grip is remarkably good value for an entry level 2 trait set

Fuzzybrick · March 2016

Still can't see dps on consol but it seems to me that night mothers is better. I know this is an old post, I was just curious if anyone from the master race could confirm.

Alcast · March 2016

Fuzzybrick wrote: »

Still can't see dps on consol but it seems to me that night mothers is better. I know this is an old post, I was just curious if anyone from the master race could confirm.

NMG is a little bit better. Here a video where I compare those. The difference is really low tho.

https://youtu.be/zjq7srZovgM

Turbatus · May 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Fuzzybrick wrote: »

Still can't see dps on consol but it seems to me that night mothers is better. I know this is an old post, I was just curious if anyone from the master race could confirm.

NMG is a little bit better. Here a video where I compare those. The difference is really low tho.
https://youtu.be/zjq7srZovgM

So against high cp players in pvp which do you think would be best? Or would the difference still be minimal?

Lynx7386 · May 2016

I always run 5 hundings / 3 nightmother's on my stamblade, have been for a very long time now. You could alternately do 3 ashen grip, but you're losing crit for health so you need to decide if you're better off with the extra damage or extra survivability. In most cases I dont see the health helping more than the crit, with the sole exception of pvp where crit has almost no value.

STEVIL · May 2016

If dual wield, do 3 each hunding and night, then have two weapon hunding, two weapon night.

Use night til you crit (likely quickly) then swap yo hunding to pound on the weskened armor.

After 4-5 attacks, swap to mama, crit, swap repeat.

You lose a swap per rotation but get the best of both.

Leaves 3 jewels and 1 armour available... maybe 4 pc briarhart.

RedFireDisco · May 2016

The crit from hundings is really small. Good pvper's running7 impen + CP's nullify so much crit.

4 sheer venom and 5 morkuldin gives 377 weapon damage plus sustain and a decent weapon proc

For absolute maximum attack power, 5 hundings plus 4 sheers venom gives an insane 558 weapon damage with zero sustain support.

SO many permutations for theory crafting.

Lynx7386 · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

The crit from hundings is really small. Good pvper's running7 impen + CP's nullify so much crit.

I dont think anyone is using hundings for the crit - it's the weapon power they're after.

susmitds · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

SO many permutations for theory crafting.

:P It should be Combinations as order does not matter.

Shadowfx1970 · May 2016

Here is a really good thread with a lot of theory craft, I think a lot comes down to which skills you use to...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243441/end-game-stamina-nightblade-build-pve-dps-being-updated-for-dbh-patch/p1

RedFireDisco · May 2016

susmitds wrote: »

RedFireDisco wrote: »

SO many permutations for theory crafting.

:P It should be Combinations as order does not matter.

4/5 5/4 set bonuses matter in relationship to the order in which the proposed bonus effects are ordered.

:P

Lol

AugustoCP · May 2016

Zlater wrote: »

Ok I did some quick calculations on these two sets, when it comes to the hundings vs night mother hundings wins by a long shot. The night mother 5piece bonus doesn't stack, so the armor debuff is only marginal unfortunately. Well maybe it does stack, it after 30mins I didn't see s second proc on the same enemy.

You mean that it doesn't stack with itself, right? That was kind of expected, it'd be insanely OP if it did. But I do believe it stacks with Reaper's Mark and Focused Aim, so it can lower your opponent's armor by a lot if you use all 3.

ryanborror · May 2016

Night mothers is better but if your group has someone running 5 piece then it doesn't stack. A good idea to carry around both sets

Stannum · May 2016

5 hunding + 5 brierheart + may be kena or maelstorm...

MrTarkanian48 · May 2016

For PVE:

You're DPS will be slightly better by running NMG, but you will buff your entire groups damage by providing a large armor debuff that stacks with Major Fracture/Major Breach. However, if you have multiple stam DPS in the group, you want to make sure only one player runs the set, because the effect does not stack. For someone who is trying to min/max, you probably should craft a set of Hundings and Night Mother's, and swap based on group composition.

For PVP:

I'd probably stick with Hundings. Shields aren't affect by resistance so you will want to do full damage against them.