vicious death what in the world

hibbles · April 2016

since the new update 100% of every death I have had has been at the hands of vicious death. heres the question, but first as it states by eso vicious death " (5 items) enemies explode when you kill a player they violently explode for 15639 flame damage"." end quote. ok eso has never been good at explaining their toys. does this mean the player must die first then they explode? as I read it as written this would be the case. or is the 15K part of the damage dealt that is actually doing the damage. again at best its very ambiguous since as I stated 100% of every death I have had since this new armor is a combo of proxy det and vicious death. eso please note you have used a past tense in your description "when you kill a player"

or better stated what comes first the death or the damage of the vicious death.

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

hibbles wrote: »

since the new update 100% of every death I have had has been at the hands of vicious death. heres the question, but first as it states by eso vicious death " (5 items) enemies explode when you kill a player they violently explode for 15639 flame damage"." end quote. ok eso has never been good at explaining their toys. does this mean the player must die first then they explode? as I read it as written this would be the case. or is the 15K part of the damage dealt that is actually doing the damage. again at best its very ambiguous since as I stated 100% of every death I have had since this new armor is a combo of proxy det and vicious death. eso please note you have used a past tense in your description "when you kill a player"

or better stated what comes first the death or the damage of the vicious death.

Death comes first.
Its been said many many times, the Vicious Death happening before you die from your death recap is a UI error.

Crom_CCCXVI · April 2016

ZOS is in denial, they are calling it a UI error instead of admitting VD is going off before you dead, often doing the killing.

NBrookus · April 2016

1) Wear 5 pieces of Vicious Death
2) Find a bunch of enemy players close together
3) Kill one that looks squishy, or prox det/ult bomb the cluster of people
4) Squishiest player dies and explodes, causing often fatal damage to nearby players

frownsyndromes · April 2016

man what are you talking about you need to be so skillfull to use vicious death just look how hard it was to pull off this, it took years of dedication to be able to proxy det and soul tether so its totally justified that this is possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79NXS8yiv9k

americansteel · April 2016

NBrookus wrote: »

1) Wear 5 pieces of Vicious Death
2) Find a bunch of enemy players close together
3) Kill one that looks squishy, or prox det/ult bomb the cluster of people
4) Squishiest player dies and explodes, causing often fatal damage to nearby players

scrub crutch like shield stacking.

Tyrac · April 2016

frownsyndromes wrote: »

man what are you talking about you need to be so skillfull to use vicious death just look how hard it was to pull off this, it took years of dedication to be able to proxy det and soul tether so its totally justified that this is possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79NXS8yiv9k

lame *** man !!

NBrookus · April 2016

americansteel wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

1) Wear 5 pieces of Vicious Death
2) Find a bunch of enemy players close together
3) Kill one that looks squishy, or prox det/ult bomb the cluster of people
4) Squishiest player dies and explodes, causing often fatal damage to nearby players

scrub crutch like shield stacking.

Well he asked how it works... there it is.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · April 2016

If scrubs wouldn't run around in a lag cloud it wouldn't be necessary. Learn how to actually play the game and not rely on a group while you spam gap closers. Vicious death is a wasted 5 peice bonus 1v1. 1v1 I use julianos when I open world vd all day because I play solo.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · April 2016

In my opinion vd is one of the best things to hit eso yet.... Don't like it play solo problem solved

llSRRll · April 2016

Tyrac wrote: »

frownsyndromes wrote: »

man what are you talking about you need to be so skillfull to use vicious death just look how hard it was to pull off this, it took years of dedication to be able to proxy det and soul tether so its totally justified that this is possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79NXS8yiv9k

lame *** man !!

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic lol

llSRRll · April 2016

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

If scrubs wouldn't run around in a lag cloud it wouldn't be necessary. Learn how to actually play the game and not rely on a group while you spam gap closers. Vicious death is a wasted 5 peice bonus 1v1. 1v1 I use julianos when I open world vd all day because I play solo.

You do realize numbers are why most armies win wars right

Cathexis · April 2016

Use protection. Don't get VD.

Czirne · April 2016

i have found a video of this "UI error"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278

Cronopoly · April 2016

I hate to say this as a Military Vet, but Proxy and Vicious Death has removed damn near all skill from PVP. Everyone is running around like a damned ALQaeda suicide Bomber. It doesn't matter the class or skillset. Stealth just makes it hilariously broken...

Healers are punished for getting too close for AOE heals. Great, then we use the Obvious Healing springs animation telling the entire enemy army who to kill 1st.

Thanks.

Xvorg · April 2016

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

I hate to say this as a Military Vet, but Proxy and Vicious Death has removed damn near all skill from PVP. Everyone is running around like a damned ALQaeda suicide Bomber. It doesn't matter the class or skillset. Stealth just makes it hilariously broken...

Healers are punished for getting too close for AOE heals. Great, then we use the Obvious Healing springs animation telling the entire enemy army who to kill 1st.

Thanks.

I sloted destro clench for the same reason. Whenever I see a proxy deto around, clench and run.

It's like playing a very extreme version of golf

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · April 2016

llSRRll wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

If scrubs wouldn't run around in a lag cloud it wouldn't be necessary. Learn how to actually play the game and not rely on a group while you spam gap closers. Vicious death is a wasted 5 peice bonus 1v1. 1v1 I use julianos when I open world vd all day because I play solo.

You do realize numbers are why most armies win wars right

It's just very uncompetitive : (. This game sadly lacks what it takes to keep people like me interested.

NBrookus · April 2016

jwilkins66ub17_ESO wrote: »

I hate to say this as a Military Vet, but Proxy and Vicious Death has removed damn near all skill from PVP. Everyone is running around like a damned ALQaeda suicide Bomber. It doesn't matter the class or skillset.

I have seen some skillful applications of prox det/VD bombs to destroy much larger numbers. We melted a prox det ball blob last night with it. (Took a while; they had lots of heals.) Been on the other side of some smart uses, too.

Problem is everyone is running Vicious Death, all the time, when it's something best used situationally. But it's armor, not a skill, so it's much harder to swap out on the fly. I'm not sure it's as lethal as everyone thinks it is and the UI bug is masking the real info. It's on nearly all of my death recaps, but my Kill Counter tells a different story about what percentage of kills it actually causes.

I'd like to go back to my Willpower instead... but DC is usually so outnumbered by AD on Haderus it's hard to justify not using it when you see a wall of yellow headed your way.

failkiwib16_ESO · May 2016

There are doubts about wether or not that statement from ZOS about it only being a UI error is true or false, as shown in this thread: Zenimax Vicious Death Fix it! where they show a short video in slow-motion of a person being executed by Vicious Death set while having low health.

Personally I haven't pvp'ed much since TG release, however I have had way too many deaths caused by this set - I suspect it is broken in some ways, but I have no proof of it...

Some things I wonder about Vicious Death:

if the early procs are fake, and only displays in UI because you lagged - while your opponant had a dot on you - basically you are taking damage and lagging, thus failing to see your own death and the UI displays the error, making it seem as if it proc'ed too early.
if it actually counts the damage of a dot you get on you v/s the remaining health you have, and counts you as dead = procs early.
if slow calculations from the server to both clients fail. You are close to death, server haven't confirmed your death yet to you, but have it confirmed to your opponant and the set procs. So it seems as if it is proc'ing too early.

Sometimes when I play ESO as a healer in dungeons, I see people marked as "dead" on my UI, because they are down to 300hp or something just as bad, and when I cast a heal, they get get to full hp and no need for ressurrection. I know it's an UI error that I see them as dead, and I don't know if this can affect vicious death in pvp or not

ESO is full of bugs, and most OP sets have been known for being bugged, exploitable, out of touch overpowered or showing wrong tooltips in the past.

The Worm Cult/ Savior/ Ebon sets
Valkyn Skoria set
Phoenix set
The Sun set
Healers Habit set
Twin Sisters set
Twice-Born Star set

and the list goes on and on, I can't remember them all... x_x which is why I don't trust tooltips, and if I spot a set that seems like poop but endgamers wear it like crazy, then it's because it probably have some shady side to it.

NeilBongStrong · May 2016

Czirne wrote: »

i have found a video of this "UI error"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278

Lol. Working as intended. DEFINATLY A UI BUG.

Arthg · May 2016

Czirne wrote: »

i have found a video of this "UI error"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278

This is big.
Add to this emperors spamming their siege weapons - so much fun

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO · May 2016

frownsyndromes wrote: »

man what are you talking about you need to be so skillfull to use vicious death just look how hard it was to pull off this, it took years of dedication to be able to proxy det and soul tether so its totally justified that this is possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79NXS8yiv9k

i am speechless the developer think this kind of broken game mechanic is ok and decide to do nothing about it

thesesneaksaredopeb14a_ESO · May 2016

I've definitely been killed by vicious death in a 1v1. How can they still call it a UI error

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