Bow based healing.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

I love the concept of this heal but it's a small heal which is fine but it has a CC immunity cool down it only heals after the disorient ends if you use any other CC you will lose your heal for five more seconds.

I would like for the base power to heal on impact and Draining Shot to have a Draining Healing after an Disorient for five seconds so basically a bonus heal for only using that CC. For an idea Archers please add pros and con. Keep in made a heal will make this good enough to be you spam power instead cast and no DoT damage.

BohnT · May 2016

I think they should remove the heal linked to the cc. You need that heal every time and not when you can stun your opponent. A heal after 5 sec would be very nice but they should increase the damage and the heal by about 8% this would make the skill valuable in many situations.

I think they should add an armor debuff to both morphs. As it says in the description you are shooting your opponent with an explosive tipped arrow. There has to be an effect to the enemies armor.

olsborg · May 2016

It should heal when cc breaks/are broken OR when 5 sec is up, cause it blows that you cant use the heal if target is cc immune via breakfree or pots or immovable etc..

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

Well on the PTS I had to stop using all CCs to get this power to heal I really don't want this to become a worthless morph.

Right now it is.

Toc de Malsvi · May 2016

It doesn't bode well for PVE either as if you are using a bow you do not want to have to run into melee range in order to get any sort of heal.

ADarklore · May 2016

Also keep in mind that, typically when you need a heal is against a boss, and they're already CC immune, so what's the point of a heal tied to a CC? Because the heal is so minuscule, they should allow it to heal with every shot- especially considering it's extremely short range.

earth_angel · May 2016

small ? how in the world is it small ? on my bosmer nightblade and my imperial DK on PTS I have a tooltip of 9K which is the same level of potency as breath of life ... Between that, vigor and rally stamina DK now have more self healing potential than magicka DK.

Of course it don't work on enemies with CC imunity and therefore it can not be spammed. But this is what keeps it balanced in PvP (on stamina build we have more roll dodge potential anyway and other heals).

As for heal added to CC, it's not bad. When you use the skill you have one of two wonders that happened : either the enemy don't CC break and he is as good as dead or he CC break and you get to full health.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

earth_angel wrote: »

small ? how in the world is it small ? on my bosmer nightblade and my imperial DK on PTS I have a tooltip of 9K which is the same level of potency as breath of life ... Between that, vigor and rally stamina DK now have more self healing potential than magicka DK.

Of course it don't work on enemies with CC imunity and therefore it can not be spammed. But this is what keeps it balanced in PvP (on stamina build we have more roll dodge potential anyway and other heals).

As for heal added to CC, it's not bad. When you use the skill you have one of two wonders that happened : either the enemy don't CC break and he is as good as dead or he CC break and you get to full health.

9k is 4.5k in Cyrodiil with a 5 second cool down if you use no other CC and they don't block which happens a lot it's a bad heal I like the idea of make those of us that Main hand a bow less tied to Melee weapons for damage and heals but this is not it a cool down heal that's countered with blocking, pots, CC immunity and immovable.

Toc de Malsvi · May 2016

This did make draining shot more useful than it was before but it is still a worthless CC option. Most players will still take Magnum shot as for main hand bow users it is a more effective counter to WB/Dizzying Swing/sweep or any other melee spammers. This heal looks to only be useful for pvp, I cant see why anyone would use it otherwise. In PVE I do not have space on my bar for such a crappy no range CC.

Now if they were to drop the damage by say 5-10% and up the range to 22m, and lower the heal to something like 4k pve but make it heal on hit rather than end of CC, then I would possibly consider it. Scatter shot's #1 unattractive quality is it's terrible range.

Snipe has horrible flight time and snares while casting, imho a gap creater such as Scatter Shot should put me just outside gap closer range which would allow for one snipe to be cast before the opponent gap closed again. The snipe could still be dodge rolled, reflected, blocked in that time and cause of the snare while casting the opponent would still be able to almost immediately gap close. But this would make main handing a bow much more feasible for open combat, and help to take it out of a pure ganking/support role.

earth_angel · May 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

9k is 4.5k in Cyrodiil with a 5 second cool down if you use no other CC and they don't block which happens a lot it's a bad heal I like the idea of make those of us that Main hand a bow less tied to Melee weapons for damage and heals but this is not it a cool down heal that's countered with blocking, pots, CC immunity and immovable.

Agreed about 50% less healing but 9K is also what my magicka templar has on her tooltip for breath of life.

It's a raw number that is not what you get in practice. You have to factor in healing received passive (CP + passives), healing done (CP and major mending) and crit (huge factor).

Also you don't factor in the fact that you have vigor and roll dodging, and now a shield.

Edit : about the fact that it can not be your main heal I agree. CC imunity prevents that. But draining shot is now a CC that always give you something even against people who CC break fast (which happens when you face any decent ennemies).

Anti_Virus · May 2016

Scatter shot(and morphs) will continue to be lack luster until it gets a range increase and the CC skill isn't a disorient.

it's just counter intuitive for bow users to get in 10m range just to CC people when gap closers can be spammed and used at 2x the range.

ContraTempo · May 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

Also keep in mind that, typically when you need a heal is against a boss, and they're already CC immune, so what's the point of a heal tied to a CC? Because the heal is so minuscule, they should allow it to heal with every shot- especially considering it's extremely short range.

Maybe shoot an add when you need a heal. That trades some DPS on the boss for that heal but you are still damaging an add.

Toc de Malsvi · May 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Also keep in mind that, typically when you need a heal is against a boss, and they're already CC immune, so what's the point of a heal tied to a CC? Because the heal is so minuscule, they should allow it to heal with every shot- especially considering it's extremely short range.

Maybe shoot an add when you need a heal. That trades some DPS on the boss for that heal but you are still damaging an add.

If there are adds up.

ADarklore · May 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Also keep in mind that, typically when you need a heal is against a boss, and they're already CC immune, so what's the point of a heal tied to a CC? Because the heal is so minuscule, they should allow it to heal with every shot- especially considering it's extremely short range.

Maybe shoot an add when you need a heal. That trades some DPS on the boss for that heal but you are still damaging an add.

I was specifically talking about singular group bosses... but even so, the heal from this is quite small that even shooting an add wouldn't do much for your health in a boss battle... you'd have to be shooting several adds to poasibly get enough of a heal for survival.

Elder_III · May 2016

If it healed on impact it would be much more interesting to slot, esp for PvP. I'm willing to try it in PvE as is, on live I haven't slotted it in ages (other then to level it up on alts).

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

I can't see this power getting a huge range buff but adding 5m would take you out of Melee range while keeping in gap closer range meaning it can still be countered.

KingShocker · May 2016

what if they made it like rally where it heals when the effect ends regardless of how it ends?
so if it hits an enemy with the disorient and the enemy is cc immune the effect is instantly counted as over and heals you.

ADarklore · May 2016

KingShocker wrote: »

what if they made it like rally where it heals when the effect ends regardless of how it ends?
so if it hits an enemy with the disorient and the enemy is cc immune the effect is instantly counted as over and heals you.

I agree completely! As I've stated before, most of the time when I need to rely on heals it is in major solo boss battles, and because they're CC immune, this healing doesn't benefit me one bit. It really does need to be changed so that it works when it is most needed, random trash mobs don't deplete my health enough to worry about healing. @Wrobel Is there any way to make this change so that the only Bow healing ability will actually work 100% of the time?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2016

KingShocker wrote: »

what if they made it like rally where it heals when the effect ends regardless of how it ends?
so if it hits an enemy with the disorient and the enemy is cc immune the effect is instantly counted as over and heals you.

Feeling it.