NativeJoe wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

Champion Points-unbalanced buffing for classes

light armor wearing class tankier than a heavy armor DK Tank. why have DKs then?

awesome mobility insane OP DPS. this class atm brings not only ego filled hate mail when a sorc dies but major imbalance and cyrodiil is very lop sided and in favor of NB and sorcerer.

shield breaker is a band aid fix.

relax... u get to be the best defensivly right now. next patch u get to keep that defense and stack shields. boneshield morph reflects 33% of physical damage back at the attacker, flappy wings keeps you safe from projectiles, your going to be able to heal yourself on demand while behind a shield. your the absolute kings of damage mitigation next patch. but yes... nerf sorc more <.<

i dont main a DK. half the time flappers dont reflect. and shields for every one wont help the game.

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Ohh this just made my day thank you !

its just what i need it ahahahahaah

Play as mage and then let me know how " OP" we are after all these nerfs if we were op we wouldn't have people having this:

"R.I.P Valrien Dravic
VR16 Dunmeri Sorcerer
April 2014-May 2016
He was a great Sorcerer;
then came the Dark Brotherhood."

May you rest in peace Valrien Dravic i know the feeling my Forsaken Sin got killed by Dark Brotherhood he was one loyal mage.



Subjects just like this..this is whats ruining this game people not knowing how to play they get killed by a certain class in PVP they cry NERF NERF NERF that class gets nerferd they killed by other class and then that class crys NERF NERF ect and ect.

( yes i am aware some skills were imbalanced and some were not but were nerfed as well.. however after getting nerferd so many time what is left?)

Im a mage and i was nerferd killed by night blades in a space of 6 sec , temps speared me like a pinata, dk uppercut me in another dimensions and you know what never did i say nerf why ? cos each class has its own ability and it supposed to be different to any other build , remember paper rock scissors its similar to that.


You die you go "damm " you get up and you go and kill somebody else ect its just the way it goes.

remember no matter what class you choose you will be killed ...no you will not one shot everybody just because you have that class that killed you ....yes those elits know how to cancel animation and do massive damages...


Its because of PVP players crying to nerf classes and then they play PVE dungeons and go .. ohh why is that guy always dying, why didn't that Templar heal me ? ? yep you guessed things that get nerferd in PVP effect PVE and not all player play PVP.

I apologize for venting but please try to understand , things like this are effecting allot of people nerf this and nerf that and people are leaving this game as they spend allot of time and money to get their favo character the way they love to play and then their character gets changed nerferd due to PVP .

mages are simple to get down we have no stamina and no health ( if we are magica based) stun us twice we are usually dead , crystal frag %70 chance it will be

1) reflected back to you
2) missed



and in next patch

" all skills have been replaced with sticks you have only normal attack"

and then it will be "NERF THE DK THEIR STICK IS LONGER BY 1 CM THEY HAVE LONGER RANGE NERF NERF OP" and the whole cycles begins again....

Ourorboros wrote: »

Enough with nerf nonsense. Every class has strengths and weaknesses. And the same is true of players. Some players will excel with whatever class they play. Instead of asking for game changes, look at your own build and play style, and why you have trouble with them. I know I've been killed plenty of times by all other classes. I also kill the others. The difference is the build and skill of the other player, not problems with the classes.

I should of just quoted the above LOL well said

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.

I play in azuras, because there is absolutely no lag, and I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.

I've seen sorcs solo engine guardian. This is ridiculous.

Please nerf the mines and shield stack, let me know what you think

You just dont know how to play with NB and pvping my friend:)...SOrryy but it is real...

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.

I play in azuras, because there is absolutely no lag, and I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.

I've seen sorcs solo engine guardian. This is ridiculous.

Please nerf the mines and shield stack, let me know what you think

B*tch please, I solo'd Lord Warden on my mag DK, so maybe we should nerf those?

But don't worry, the sorcs got their hatred upon them bearing fruit, since their shields have reduced duration, and no worries, the hate on stamina NB will be backin full force if nothing is changed.

The "other" will always seem more OP.

No class is OP because none of them can win every fight every time hands down no matter player skill.

No....

How about go roll a sorc & actually find out that they are all kinds of broken in PvE right now, and not as strong in PvP as you think when compared to other classes.

Playing a class also gives you a better insight into all their weak points (&therefore how to kill them).

NBrookus wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Let's set aside, for the moment, the irony of a NB complaining about another class being too strong in PvP.

NBs are my sorc's easiest kills if their initial burst fails. So many of them just stack for burst that when their burst fails they basically have their pants around their ankles. On the other hand, DKs are for me the most difficult given their range of CC options. Not every class is going to fight every other class equally well. Seems fair to me.

@NativeJoe gave you the recipe for killing sorcs. There is a 4th option that will be even stronger in DB: stack your own shields. Of course, you'll have to give up damage to be able to stack stamina or magicka and regen to be able to make tough shields you can sustain, and incorporate those shields into your rotation instead of just doing damage. Enjoy your OP shields.

They don't have to give up too much. on pts I got killed by a NB from stealth while running around. as he passed my body I saw he had 15k shields up. it killed me inside.

Yeah, but there's a difference between a NB ganker buff-buff-buff-ganking having shields and managing to maintain those in a sustained fight. Or so I hope.

Not sure there is a difference. He hit me for a 24k combo from stealth. pretty much didn't even have chance to react.

I voted yes, but that's only because I'm a nightblade. Keep the focus on the sorcerers, please ....

I say yes just because of Shield Stacking, which as it stands Sorcs can do best and are unquestionably OP just for that. You should not under any circumstances get more Damage and Tankiness all at once just by maximizing a single resource, there should always be a tradeoff where more Tankiness equals less Damage, and vice versa.

All I believe needs to be done (quite apart from nerfing Shield duration, which was the wrong way to go and doesn't really solve anything, and Shield Breaker is beyond stupid and was a terrible idea, forcing you to use one set if you want to counter something OP is utterly senseless) is for all Damage Shields, and I do mean ALL Damage Shields, to be made to scale off of max Health, no exceptions. That way if you want to be properly Tanky you would actually have to spec at least partly into Health in order to make your Damage Shields worth equipping, as it always should have been.

Are people going to cry all the way up to the next patch?

all our utility, which i guess was the original intention with the class, has been nerfed into uselessness

our dps is the lowest of all the classes

our shields, a once class defining skill for our suvivablity despite all the other nerfs, is now getting nerfed, and everyone else is getting a equivalent set of shields

There are a myriad of problems with the sorcerer class that seem to go unresolved due to people who do not play the class.

The class sucks, yet it keeps getting nerfed in PVE because PVP players whine. Dont get me wrong, the blame is not solely upon the pvp players, the blame also rests with ZOS, who cannot fix the problems with balance the obvious was, instead doing something that breaks things even further

attackjet wrote: »

Let's be real, sorcs need a nerf like none other.

I play in azuras, because there is absolutely no lag, and I have maxed gear and usually do extremely well....except against sorcs, I am a nightblade and its just kinda stupid how there's almost no way to kill them.

I've seen sorcs solo engine guardian. This is ridiculous.

Please nerf the mines and shield stack, let me know what you think

If you play Azura then you can't use the Shattering blow CP. Which means you could probably use the Shield breaker set to compensate.

I don't know how much it cost nowadays.

Nope.

I don't ever PvP, but Sorcs are still not overpowered.