I know this discussion is about who's right on the internet, so... well,

Couple of things I don't understand, though:

1) Why people get offended if someone else points out they lack skill ? It's only offensive if you actively invest in something, achieve a decent level, then others refuse to acknowledge it, granted, that stinks, but if you actually can't do something, why is that considered offensive ?

2) Why casual players get offended if someone else points out they don't commit ? because, let's face it, if you do, you're not a casual player. By definition, you do something casually when you don't put effort in it, that's basic English. Now, English is not my primary language, I might be wrong about that, but it seems pretty accurate.

3) To link to question n.1, why people that consider themselves casual get offended if someone points out they lack skill? How do you expect to become skilled if you don't put effort in it ? Nobody said it's a bad thing, you want to play casually, without having to move too much, you want to relax, it's all well and good, I want a fast paced, tense, sitting on the edge of my chair, heart racing, experience.

Personally, I don't consider myself casual, so if someone considered a good player, or a hardcore player, tells me to git gud, I see that as motivation. I like a challenge, I like challenging content, I like fights I can't win, because that gives me a reason to try harder until I can, but, then again, I'm definitely not a casual player. I'm also currently unemployed, so, that works for me xD. Tomorrow I might not be able to commit as much, who knows?

Let's face it, though, if a fight is challenging for skilled players (not hardcore, just skilled ones), a casual player will never be able to access it, unless exceptionally gifted, for the simple reason that skill requires practice, so... yeah, I rest my case, casual players that want to access said content need for easier content, therefore, they are usually the ones asking for it.

Then again, a community is not entirely made by casual and hardcore players, you have n00bs, you have posers, you have haters, leets (not the same as hardcore), trolls , achievement hunters, stoners, drama queens, afkers, raiders, spammers, modders, traders, exploiters, lamers, pet collectors, pks... and then there's competitive RP... I mean, how do you RP competitively ?

So, don't want to go OT, probably just did, but, let's not get too much butthurt over a classification. Just saying.

I might be wrong about that, maybe it's important, but, meh, I really don't care.

Are the casuals ruining the game ? Are the hardcores ? Dunno, don't care. Every change to the game will effectively ruins it completely for someone, even if it was just a typo in a tooltip, that's the reality of the situation. There will always be someone disappointed.

That said, sorry for the WoT

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

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I love your name @ZOS_DaryaK might name one of new toons that lol

I am proudly a "casual" gamer. I play videogames casually, collect them vigorously, experience them lovingly. Games aren't something to conquer and defeat. They aren't a source of pride, accomplishment or achievement for myself. Games, for me, are akin to novels. Unlike TV's Movies or comics, when I finish a novel I get a feeling of history. I look at the pile of paper and I think back on the adventure between them and think "what a great time!". Videogames give me that same feeling of adventure and excitement.

I realize more "hardcore gamers" get that feeling too, but they also feel the desire to completely finish all the goals given to them in the game. More often than not, chasing those dragons just makes me resent the videogame and retroactively tarnishes the fun I had.

For me games aren't for tedium and frustration (I get enough of that at work. heheh) They are a way to visit new worlds and enjoy a different universe for a few hours at a time.

If that makes me a Casual gamer, then so be it. I'm a casual gamer. If that label makes someone feel better for being more of a completionist than I am, that's fine. Those kinds of gamers thrive on competition and, unlike gamers like me, they do rely on videogames to give them that sense of pride, accomplishment or achievement. If part of that pride is to be able to look upon other games and think "I'm a more hardcore gamer than you are" which , insinuates more of a "real" gamer than me, then that's fine too... it doesn't impact my enjoyment of my game experience in any way.

darkstar2084 wrote: »

just think of it this way Hardcore players have 501+ champion points (no life) , casuals have 0-10 (has a life)

I am a casual and i work 10hours in a day and 6 days of week but i got 501 Cp in 7 months 3 Chars and almost every item and ach in the game.

Basically sleep less if u wanna be good at something like everything else irl

I'm almost 40 years old. I have a job and a family life. I don't have nearly as much time to play games as I'd like, or as I used to. When I do get to play, I play for fun and to relax.

But I've been playing videogames since before many of you were born. There were periods of my life where I played 25 to 30 hours a week. I tend to be a completionist in most of the games I play, and don't feel I've "conquered" a game until I've done everything in it that I can.

I have been in many end-game guilds in other games, and even been the guild leader of a few of them. I've made dozens of spreadsheets in Excel (and later Google Docs) to organize stats, events, and item lists, for my guilds and often just myself.

I love PvE stuff, and in ESO, I do every quest, event, POI, and achievement that I can. I strive to have the best gear that I can reasonably obtain, knowing that my limited playtime will likely prevent me from ever obtaining every piece of the best possible gear that exists. I'll never be on the Leaderboards for any trial, and I'll probably never have the time to learn how to beat things like VMA. But I still care about my build, my stats, and my skills, and want to be the best player that my playtime will allow. I run over 40 addons, so I can do things efficiently and effectively, and get as much info as possible about my character and my gameplay.

I really want to do the PvE stuff in Cyrodiil, but I try to do it at off-peak times, in deserted campaigns. I hate PvP. Mainly because I know I will never be as good as the people that can afford to play the game 100+ hours a week. I do occasionally enjoy doing RvR-level objectives that can be done in groups, and don't mind dying in a larger PvP battle. But I hate getting ganked while trying to do PvE objectives, and I get absolutely no joy from ganking other players like me. I feel that people who just like to kill others, for no reason other than the joy they get from killing them, should be playing CoD, and not an RvR game like this. The whole concept of the Imperial City DLC turned my stomach.

I can fully accept the things in the game that I likely won't ever be able to accomplish, either due to my playtime limits or my tolerance limits for PvP, but for the things I can do, I do them to the best of my ability. I said in the beginning that "I play games for fun and to relax." For me, completing as many achievements as I can, and pouring over numbers to figure out what will make me the best possible player (the "meta-game", if you will) IS a good part of that fun.

So, given all this, I ask you:

Am I a "casual" or not? If not, what am I?

I don't have any problem with casuals. They paid for the game and they can play it however they want. BUT the problem starts when the casuals think that they should have all of the hard content in the game toned down for them just because they don't have enough time to learn. There is more than enough content in the game for any casual to enjoy, let the hardcore player have their fun too...

I see 2 different definitions in this thread.

1 - Casual plays less time

2 - Casual is less competitive

These are completely different things. People can play a lot of hours and not care about competition. Likewise, people can be competitive about PvP, for example, but only play a few hours a week if they are focusing on 1v1 fights.

Ultimately, the term casual is meant to be dismissive of a group of people to make the people using the term feel superior and to project the idea that there opinion is more virtuous. If people are using the term, it may be wiser to just ignore them rather than try to figure out who they are referring to.

For me, a casual player is someone who seeks fun (mean) and a hardcore player is someone who seeks accomplishment (end).

Casual players don't necessarily need accomplishment because they can get it from somewhere else. Therefore, the game is more a mean to have fun.

Hardcore players seek accomplishment in-game either because they lack accomplishment in real life or they are perfectionists (i.e. they seek accomplishment in everything they do). Therefore, the game is a mean to an end.

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

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@ZOS_DaryaK you've been going ham. I can see passion in your job. I would too, the hate messages and wall posts make it all worth it.

Volkodav wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

A "casual" is anyone who's not as good as me. They want all the content difficulty aimed at them, and they don't care whose enjoyment it ruins. They'll destroy the game to have their way. They're the death of gaming.

An "elite" is anyone who's better than me. They want all the content difficulty aimed at them, and they don't care whose enjoyment it ruins. They'll destroy the game to have their way. They're the death of gaming.

Normal gamers are those at about my skill level. All the content difficulty should be aimed at us, not at those filthy casuals and elites. We're the ones who matter. We'll save gaming.

Really?? It's you who are the elitist,ya know.Just read what you said.Calling people "filthy" and that you are the ones who matter.
So,even if I play every day for up to five hours,working my new alt along,not using any of my vets,I am a casual.
I call bullhockey.
Each person who spends a good amount of time ingame is anything BUT casual.They are regular players who might have a higher leveled vet than you and you wont know.It's rather elitist to say that anyone who isnt as good a player as you are is a"filthy casual".

Aaaaaand.... You missed the point.

"Elite" means you have a job and a life, and can still play the game as it was designed

lathbury wrote: »

for me the difference between a casual and hardcore player is the amount of timethey have to play. there are some very good casuals and some terrible hardcore ones.

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