My worst PUG experience so far.

Bad_Company · May 2016

Hi guys.
I'm here to tell you about my most recent upsetting experience with the dungeon finder.

After 1 hour and a half I finally got into a dungeon as a dps (lv 14 Stamblade, around 210 CP). It takes just 1 minute for me to understand that at least 2 out of 3 players I got paired with (if not all 3 of them) are a premade as they speak a foreign language in chat. One of them, the leader, is a V9 DD; one is a lv 21 Tank. The other guy is a lv 44 Healer.

When we get to the first boss it takes me a couple minutes to realize how bad the DD is, since he dies a lot (like 4 times during the whole fight). Also, when alive, he doesn't care about the Healer dying, so he doesn't even try to res him. I try my best, but being mine a lv 14 char I don't have many soul gems to res people around.

We make it to the second boss, I'm still alive and well. Here the nightmare begins. We start the fight, the DD dies once again, the Healer too. I try to res the Healer, but he refuses and goes afk. Then, I res the DD. He dies in less than 30 seconds. I and the Tank are struggling a bit, but we manage to take the boss down to 1-2% hp. Then, the Tank dies. I try to spam Killer Blade as fast as I can, but the boss kills me before I can kill it.

We all revive, the Healer is still afk. He doesn't come back for 15 minutes and I try to ask the other 2 guys to kick him and/or to speak English in chat. None of this happens. They finally kick him after 20+ minutes. A replacement arrives and we fight the boss again. Yet again, the DD dies within 2 minutes. The Healer dies too. Because of some weird bug, I can't seem to be able to res the Healer, so I reluctantly revive the DD. He doesn't even bother to try and revive the other guy despite me asking him to, explaining I can't because of a bug. He dies again. We wipe.

I decide to be frugal about soul gems seeing how all is going, so I revive at the wayshrine. The loading screen doesn't load anything. I am forced to close the game and start it again. I log back in within 3 minutes only to find myself kicked from the party. I then try to ask the Healer (who seemed to be the only reasonable guy) to make the V9 DD invite me again. He doesn't reply. I get sent back to Grahtwood.

To sum everything up: I wasted 1h 30m and more to find a party, then I wasted 45 minutes (-ish) inside the dungeon only to be kicked by people whose social skills (and gaming skills too, I must say) are comparable to those of a old, dying sloth.

Care to share your thoughts about this?
Hopefully the wall of text didn't stop you to read this far. If you did, thanks for your time and your patience.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · May 2016

Hehe get it out of your system. Take a breath. Feel better. Unfortunately you got a terribly rotten cherry in the bunch (I like cherries more than apples that's why!) Hopefully the next experience will be better. It sucks when you get a lame group in any mmo. Just speaking for myself, I prefer a fun and helpful group over min/max obsessors or those that just treat it like a job. Best of luck in your future endeavors!

lathbury · May 2016

yeah pugs are fun

Yinmaigao · May 2016

Par for the course.

Random is random, good or bad

When able, form your own groups to avoid this.

Haquor · May 2016

You must be a disgusting elitist! Go play with your elitist buddies and stop using finder if you are so pro. You should have tried to help them out instead of being such a ***. Maybe provide a strat. Maybe give some guidance....bla bla fkn bla.

Now back to reality... this is a common experience i have with pugs and people cry bloody murder and elitism if you kick people or leave yourself because your own time and game experience contrary to popular belief are actually important.

After a number of experiences like these i have no dramas asking people for thier experience and to post achievements to show they know the content. Between a young child...demanding job and wife i simply cannot waistebmy own real precious time on a group like that.

I dont think there is anything wrong with asking for experience or achievements etc. People are usually more than happy to let you know. Thise that *** about it usually are the ones who will cause you dramas.

If someone is honest and says they dont know the strat or arent familiar with gold etc im happy to take 1 or 2 of then cause the content isnt normally that challenging anyway that 2 experieced players cant assist the others through. And the fact they told u about thier lack of exp indicated they are willing to communicate and learn.

Bad_Company · May 2016

@stewhead2ub17_ESO : I'm not even mad, I'm just spent. Waiting a lot of time to be queued and then running with people who won't communicate at all and play (badly) on their own is just absurd. I've had fun even while queuing with my main, a tank, and getting in a group full of lv 12-13 players. If that happens I simply know that it will take more time than with v16 people, but it's ok as long as said players are humble enough to allow me or others to teach them something.

@Haquor : I totally get your point, believe me. Sometimes I don't have enough time to do all the things I wanna do, so I try to take as much as I can together, like trying to get the daily random done in the same dungeon where the silver or gold pledge of that day take place. I don't even care about achievements, I just want people to have a positive attitude. Skill is a nice addition, of course.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Honestly to be fair, it isn't like you were going to make it through the dungeon anyway.

Pugs like this are the reason I started running dps as a magika NB. Healer dies? So what. Tank dies? Eh so what. Of course at level 20 not having skills means you all die anyway... Woo for bad pugs!

RedFireDisco · May 2016

I'm leveling a healer and the abuse healers get is insane. You put so much effort into spec'ing a character to heal others and they stand in the red, die, abuse you for not being able to heal 3 people in the red and when you heavy attack to get some magicka back because you've used it all on morons, they tell you to stop attacking and just heal as if you have 10,000 regen.

Pug's are hard.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I'm leveling a healer and the abuse healers get is insane. You put so much effort into spec'ing a character to heal others and they stand in the red, die, abuse you for not being able to heal 3 people in the red and when you heavy attack to get some magicka back because you've used it all on morons, they tell you to stop attacking and just heal as if you have 10,000 regen.

Pug's are hard.

This is starting to show as well. At least in my experience. the last couple weeks when I have had to wait a long time, it has been for a healer.

disintegr8 · May 2016

This is run of the mill for PUG's. Yesterday I ran one as a tank where the DD's did nothing but attack the boss, leaving the adds alone and leaving it up to me to res the healer when he died - which was quite a few times as he was a lower level still learning the ropes (he and I were in group chat, the dd's weren't).

I will run dungeons with anyone and give them a go, but I will not stay longer than 3 or 4 (of what I deem) unnecessary wipes with people who do not appear to know how a dungeon group should work, are not in group chat and make no effort to communicate with me. There are also times when I will spend obscene amounts of time trying to get past a boss with a group communicating with each other to try and work it out instead of finding someone to blame.

There is far too much in this game that I want to do to and I have no desire to waste my precious time for little or no result.

CherryCake · May 2016

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Zach2322 · May 2016

Well, it could have been worse than that. Trust me. When you get a guy how is genuinely trying to tank with a restore staff and a bow and getting no healer or a competent dd, you have sooo much fun especially when your a stamblade. With vigor as your only heal. That was probably the worst 2 hours I've spent in this game so far. And before anyone says" how do you know he was trying to tank?" He was the using inner fire taunt. Pugs are such a rewarding experience where you really figure out where you stand in terms of sanity.

CherryCake · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I'm leveling a healer and the abuse healers get is insane. You put so much effort into spec'ing a character to heal others and they stand in the red, die, abuse you for not being able to heal 3 people in the red and when you heavy attack to get some magicka back because you've used it all on morons, they tell you to stop attacking and just heal as if you have 10,000 regen.

Pug's are hard.

I know right? Also a healer, what upsets me the most is when I see people not able to stick to their roles, the tank tries to be the damage dealer, people spread around, go to fight mobs before the rest of the party is even ready, run to the whole other part of the room to fight one little mob, then you as a healer have to run around 3 different people all in a different place to heal them... they start dying, and then of course, its your fault, because healers have the easiest job, are ALWAYS full of magica and stamina, basically they have ultimate power to keep them alive, forget about moving out of the red circles, who cares if you run 50m away, the healer should keep you alive no matter what and if you dont manage? Hey its your fault, you casual n00b l2p swag yolo u sux u had one job...

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

On the flip side it is also funny to see people playing a game, a game, being upset that some wasted their 'precious time'. No you did that when you logged on.

KingYogi415 · May 2016

My wait time is always >1 when I tank.

Curragraigue · May 2016

As a regular of the PUG groups I feel your pain. They can be frustrating some times. However you can also get a good run every now and then. I just did a no death run in a PUG. It was only Vet Wayrest but still I was surprised.

DocFrost72 · May 2016

The random daily dungeon is one of those things I skimp on. Regs only, because my battle-ready toons can solo them. My nightblade or stamplar have already soloed most normal dungeons, so when it ends up being me and the tank it's literally no sweat. I've stopped trusting randoms, because there is little to no introduction to roles in this game save a little blurb when you select your role in the group menu.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

I don't do random vet dungeons, only normal. My characters are generally the healer or tank, if everyone else goes down out of my control and I can't revive them, I have often solo killed bosses. My tanks always have multiple heals slotted like Structured Entropy, Extended Ritual on Templar and Refreshing Path on Nightblade.

RedFireDisco · May 2016

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't do random vet dungeons, only normal. My characters are generally the healer or tank, if everyone else goes down out of my control and I can't revive them, I have often solo killed bosses. My tanks always have multiple heals slotted like Structured Entropy, Extended Ritual on Templar and Refreshing Path on Nightblade.

Structured entropy is great for tanks - 8% health is too good and a hoT that procs empower.

TheDarkShadow · May 2016

Sometime I feel sorry for DD, specially stam DD. As a magicka build, you usually can heal/dps, even can do 3 roles. It's so easy for me to find a group, it doesn't matter if the group suck, I can just drop it, and 5m later, I found another group. ZOS need to think again about "play as you want" and give stam build some way to be the main healer of a group.

disintegr8 · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

On the flip side it is also funny to see people playing a game, a game, being upset that some wasted their 'precious time'. No you did that when you logged on.

If you have nothing worthwhile to bring to the conversation, please don't bother. The time I was referring to was 'in game' time - those of us who have other life commitments wish to make the most of our available game time instead of being mucked around.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

On the flip side it is also funny to see people playing a game, a game, being upset that some wasted their 'precious time'. No you did that when you logged on.

If you have nothing worthwhile to bring to the conversation, please don't bother. The time I was referring to was 'in game' time - those of us who have other life commitments wish to make the most of our available game time instead of being mucked around.

There isn't a whole lot worthwhile in this thread. It is a rant about a bad pug group. Now you are wasting your own precious time.

Scraelos · May 2016

Just don't go to random group via finder, if you can't do most of work with little support of guys, who are supposed to die, while you are killing boss.
And try more survivable class, which don't depend on healer - magplar or magblade.

Bad_Company · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

On the flip side it is also funny to see people playing a game, a game, being upset that some wasted their 'precious time'. No you did that when you logged on.

If you have nothing worthwhile to bring to the conversation, please don't bother. The time I was referring to was 'in game' time - those of us who have other life commitments wish to make the most of our available game time instead of being mucked around.

There isn't a whole lot worthwhile in this thread. It is a rant about a bad pug group. Now you are wasting your own precious time.

It is not a rant, I'm sorry this thread gave you that vibe. I'm genuinely asking for thoughts about something that, IMHO, needs to be reworked. Yes, I know changes will come with DB, but are they enough? In this case, if you read my original post, I don't think that the "vote-for-kicking" option would have helped me because some of them were a premade team.
Also, it's exactly as @disintegr8 says: we all get upset while putting a lot of effort into something and it all goes to waste not because of you.

Scraelos wrote: »

Just don't go to random group via finder, if you can't do most of work with little support of guys, who are supposed to die, while you are killing boss.
And try more survivable class, which don't depend on healer - magplar or magblade.

The solution to a problem is not running away from it. I use the finder because often enough my guildmates are busy doing other stuff, so I have to level up my alts on my own and doing the same quest over and over can be annoying. That's why I always try something new. As for what concerns classes and stuff, believe me when I say I've tried at least 6 out of the 8 main combinations (class x attribute); I still use some of them and others have become my main characters. I wanted to make a Stamblade and I think I wouldn't even have had trouble if not for the very bad party.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Honestly to be fair, it isn't like you were going to make it through the dungeon anyway.

Pugs like this are the reason I started running dps as a magika NB. Healer dies? So what. Tank dies? Eh so what. Of course at level 20 not having skills means you all die anyway... Woo for bad pugs!

That's why I had to respec my Stamblade tank into a Magblade tank. At least I have my own heals for when situations get really bad. Once I even healed my teammates more than what our healer could, but that's another PUG story I'd rather not tell.

Mojmir · May 2016

My all time favorite is the guy that wants you to see his dps skills,but dies during execute phase.or the guy who feels the need for everyone to be in team speak....for fungal grotto.

Sheezabeast · May 2016

oh man that would have had me pulling my hair out

You are stronger than I, I would have quit that group after the healer went afk

Bad_Company · May 2016

Sheezabeast wrote: »

oh man that would have had me pulling my hair out

You are stronger than I, I would have quit that group after the healer went afk

Maybe I would have been better off doing that. At least, that's what I think knowing what would and did happen. Like: "The dungeon is going super bad, let's kick that level 14 guy! He is low level and won't be of any help".

Sheezabeast · May 2016

Bad_Company wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

oh man that would have had me pulling my hair out

You are stronger than I, I would have quit that group after the healer went afk

Maybe I would have been better off doing that. At least, that's what I think knowing what would and did happen. Like: "The dungeon is going super bad, let's kick that level 14 guy! He is low level and won't be of any help".

Well the language barrier really sucked for you too, seemed like a brick wall situation. I hope you find a guild with people who do dungeons, I do delves with my PVP buddies and its helpful to actually communicate what your group needs. Hope things get better

Aisle9 · May 2016

Join a pug, they said, see the world...

Well, what can you do, not much to balance there, you will always end up with the dude dressed like Elvis and the adderall guy, that's why you do it, for the fun of it...

...right ?

sickboy2808 · May 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I'm leveling a healer and the abuse healers get is insane. You put so much effort into spec'ing a character to heal others and they stand in the red, die, abuse you for not being able to heal 3 people in the red and when you heavy attack to get some magicka back because you've used it all on morons, they tell you to stop attacking and just heal as if you have 10,000 regen.

Pug's are hard.

Ha i have had that lots of times but playing as Tank. My fave is normally COH when we have to keep 4 wraths alive but the pug groups expect me to keep them taunted forever lol.

lathbury · May 2016

Aisle9 wrote: »

Join a pug, they said, see the world...

Well, what can you do, not much to balance there, you will always end up with the dude dressed like Elvis and the adderall guy, that's why you do it, for the fun of it...

...right ?

This. I never pug content I intend to finish I do that with premades. I pug to meet new folk and occasionally chuckle at some things that happen in them.