clocksstoppe wrote: »

You wanna know why ICP and WGT are getting nerfed? Because in a random dungeon finder you are very likely to have:

Tank who doesn't know what taunt and/or interrupt is.
DDs with two handed swords and/or no aoe.
Healer/Tank who is griefing/kicking you because they are too dumb to understand a vr1 with BIS purples is almost as powerful as maximum possible due to VR16 scaling.

Well... I haven't even tried WGT and don't intend to any time soon.

I have problems using the distance taunt, seems to only work 1/3. I suck at interrupting; just struggling to get the hang of it.

OTOH one of my most high powered DPSs is an Orsimer Sorc with 2h and and dual and between Wrecking blow and Steel tornado he has no problem mopping stuff up.

As far as being kicked from the group finder, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm usually willing to give a try (or three) to anyone willing to actually communicate with me (I prefer skype, but will put up with TS or even chat).

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Games need end game content. Thanks to whiners like OP, WGT is getting nerfed.

Maybe you should watch the video

OP, I bow before the awesome might of your light attacks.

CelticStones wrote: »

95% of people who play this game don't get into the forums, so miss your leetness. They also don't have best in slot gear. They don't use TS. They maybe don't have the time available to run dungeons 20 times just to learn the mechanics. They are using group finder mainly because most of you leet players exclude them from the moment the vet dungeons become available, ie, "LF2M, must be v16, must be godlike, must have already got all the achievements to even dare to think they could run with me BS". So maybe, just maybe the developers are catering to the 95% of people who pay money to play the game the best they know how with what they have available. Seems pretty simple.

Yeah, I rarely come to the forums as well.

Not all content in games is or should be easily achievable by all people. If people don't have time to run dungeons and try to learn mechanics that is fine, but that is the entire point of dungeons, and veteran dungeons are meant to be the difficult versions. A challenge.

Clearly best in slot gear doesn't matter, because even with less than perfect gear DPS should pretty easily be able to do more than the 7k damage per second we were putting out with light attacks.

These mechanics aren't that difficult to learn, either from grouping with people who are familiar with it, or just watching some youtube videos. It definitely doesn't require doing it 20 times to figure out. No one is trailblazing the way and discovering these things for the first time anymore.

TS isn't required at all.

Some people do advertise they want experienced players only, but not all, so there are opportunities out there. I personally won't sign up to go with the groups with that stipulation because I think its a bad attitude and find it aggravating. Everyone has to learn somehow. I do however try really hard to not be the only one in the group who is familiar with it. I periodically put groups together for the sole purpose of taking one or two people who've never completed it, explaining everything as we go so it doesn't seem intimidating anymore. I know I'm not the only one willing to take new people through and not everyone in zone demands players be experienced.

I'm highly skeptical of your assumption that only 5% of the ESO population has run this dungeon multiple times successfully, but honestly don't know what the number might be; and it isn't pertinent.

For people who don't have the time, inclination, or skill to do it, there is the normal version. If they feel the normal version is too difficult still, then by all means that could be nerfed.

CelticStones wrote: »

95% of people who play this game don't get into the forums, so miss your leetness. They also don't have best in slot gear. They don't use TS. They maybe don't have the time available to run dungeons 20 times just to learn the mechanics. They are using group finder mainly because most of you leet players exclude them from the moment the vet dungeons become available, ie, "LF2M, must be v16, must be godlike, must have already got all the achievements to even dare to think they could run with me BS". So maybe, just maybe the developers are catering to the 95% of people who pay money to play the game the best they know how with what they have available. Seems pretty simple.

1. We didn't use teamspeak
2. We didn't have BiS gear when we first cleared, and OBVIOUSLY it isn't necessary if 6.5k DPS is enough to clear.
3. The four of us have run so many new players through here for training it isn't even funny.
4. Is it sad that this was more fun than actually doing it the normal way ?

LOL.

@Keign72

C0wrex wrote: »

Just went to do the dungeon for the first time last night...



....Is 3 hours normal?

It took us 5 hours first time. We 3 man wgt and prison now it gets easier

Argonian for the winnnn