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LizardThixvim✭✭✭But stamina is too weak QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ BUFF IT PLS ;,<Edited by LizardThixvim on May 12, 2016 4:25PM3 -
LizardThixvim✭✭✭Reason why stamina is buffed:
1) im stupid and cant think of my own builds or play style so i copy syphers/deltias builds and i cant play it, im using his build so i should be as good as they are at playing eso, but i suck so that means stamina is underpowered
2) time to QQ on forum for the rest of my life until stamina is buffed, because 14k SA, and 28k HA, and spammable, uninterruptable 18k wrecking blows are too underpowered, BUT nerf DARK FLARE not like you can interrupt it, WATCH them casting it and dodge roll when they do it
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MichYodias✭✭✭I mean it kind of is a NB thing due to increase weapon damage from stealth and increased critical damage. They are supposed to hit the hardest from stealth which is a pretty good trade off for having lesser healing.Haxus
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YODA-ONE v16 Sorc EP
Yoda-San v16 NB EP
Yodias V16 Temp healbot EP
Human Centipad V16 Stamplar EP
Yodai V16 AD Sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭MichYodias wrote: »I mean it kind of is a NB thing due to increase weapon damage from stealth and increased critical damage. They are supposed to hit the hardest from stealth which is a pretty good trade off for having lesser healing.
Other classes have relevant damage bonuses too. Off the top of my head:
- templar: 10% crit damage passive
- sorc: increased spell/weapon damage passive; 11% heavy attack bonus via bound armaments
- dk: 40% fully charged heavy attack bonus via molten armaments
There are probably others. So in theory, any class can pull off something similar.2 -
MichYodias✭✭✭MichYodias wrote: »I mean it kind of is a NB thing due to increase weapon damage from stealth and increased critical damage. They are supposed to hit the hardest from stealth which is a pretty good trade off for having lesser healing.
Other classes have relevant damage bonuses too. Off the top of my head:
- templar: 10% crit damage passive
- sorc: increased spell/weapon damage passive; 11% heavy attack bonus via bound armaments
- dk: 40% fully charged heavy attack bonus via molten armaments
There are probably others. So in theory, any class can pull off something similar.
It would be close but my guess (without testing) the NB would be highest especially with the ability to guarantee critical. However any stam class can insta kill you on a horse or with your pants down. NB should be the best from stealth anyway imo anyway so in no way do I find this OP.
Also all of those examples require slotting an ability to get comparable numbers. For NB it's passive with core assassination abilities. Those examples, with the exception of templar bc jabs are part of every build, would be a sacrifice. (I know literally nothing about stam sorc but seems bound armor on both bars would be a sacrifice)Edited by MichYodias on May 12, 2016 6:35PMHaxus
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YODA-ONE v16 Sorc EP
Yoda-San v16 NB EP
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Yodai V16 AD Sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »
https://youtu.be/qqxr9npkbHo
Yup, seen enough.... clearly need to buff NB...
(skip to 1:00 if impatient!)
I love this video.
The look on FENGRUSH face when he gets gibbed is one of both hilarity and frustration.
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Mauz✭✭✭MichYodias wrote: »MichYodias wrote: »I mean it kind of is a NB thing due to increase weapon damage from stealth and increased critical damage. They are supposed to hit the hardest from stealth which is a pretty good trade off for having lesser healing.
Other classes have relevant damage bonuses too. Off the top of my head:
- templar: 10% crit damage passive
- sorc: increased spell/weapon damage passive; 11% heavy attack bonus via bound armaments
- dk: 40% fully charged heavy attack bonus via molten armaments
There are probably others. So in theory, any class can pull off something similar.
It would be close but my guess (without testing) the NB would be highest especially with the ability to guarantee critical. However any stam class can insta kill you on a horse or with your pants down. NB should be the best from stealth anyway imo anyway so in no way do I find this OP.
Everyone has a guaranteed crit from stealth. For the highest heavy attack dmg I would nominate DK. As DK I would use bow for such things. For NB its easier to get stealthed into melee range, other classes have to use potions...what the NB actually has to use too to get the clever alchemist proc. Without that these numbers are simply impossible. Additionally this NB might have been buffed by Aggressive Horn too. If you time it perfectly Heavy and SA both get the stealth bonus. In my opinion this is a bug which is inside the game since release.
If you want a balanced game without such numbers got to Azura.
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MichYodias✭✭✭MichYodias wrote: »MichYodias wrote: »I mean it kind of is a NB thing due to increase weapon damage from stealth and increased critical damage. They are supposed to hit the hardest from stealth which is a pretty good trade off for having lesser healing.
Other classes have relevant damage bonuses too. Off the top of my head:
- templar: 10% crit damage passive
- sorc: increased spell/weapon damage passive; 11% heavy attack bonus via bound armaments
- dk: 40% fully charged heavy attack bonus via molten armaments
There are probably others. So in theory, any class can pull off something similar.
It would be close but my guess (without testing) the NB would be highest especially with the ability to guarantee critical. However any stam class can insta kill you on a horse or with your pants down. NB should be the best from stealth anyway imo anyway so in no way do I find this OP.
Everyone has a guaranteed crit from stealth. For the highest heavy attack dmg I would nominate DK. As DK I would use bow for such things. For NB its easier to get stealthed into melee range, other classes have to use potions...what the NB actually has to use too to get the clever alchemist proc. Without that these numbers are simply impossible. Additionally this NB might have been buffed by Aggressive Horn too. If you time it perfectly Heavy and SA both get the stealth bonus. In my opinion this is a bug which is inside the game since release.
If you want a balanced game without such numbers got to Azura.
Good point. Plus if the SA lands before the HA they debuff the target with major fracture.Haxus
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YODA-ONE v16 Sorc EP
Yoda-San v16 NB EP
Yodias V16 Temp healbot EP
Human Centipad V16 Stamplar EP
Yodai V16 AD Sorc
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✭Darnathian wrote: »In confused. i thought RD is broken and OP? Care to explain why this is okay and RD is not Kena?
lol
But you are on a baseless crusade. This picture is worse than the RD. but u are quiet as a mouse.
I actually like your posts normally even if i disagree with them you present good arguments.
I dont think u thought your RD stance through
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✭✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »Reason why stamina is buffed:
1) im stupid and cant think of my own builds or play style so i copy syphers/deltias builds and i cant play it, im using his build so i should be as good as they are at playing eso, but i suck so that means stamina is underpowered
2) time to QQ on forum for the rest of my life until stamina is buffed, because 14k SA, and 28k HA, and spammable, uninterruptable 18k wrecking blows are too underpowered, BUT nerf DARK FLARE not like you can interrupt it, WATCH them casting it and dodge roll when they do it
Stamina doesn't really bring any good AoE burst dps sadly. Which is why in groups they are purley bombard/rapid/caltrops-bot and nothing else.
In ganking, smallscale, singletarget stamina is stronk as hell tough, there's no denying it. :P
But then again, these numbers are sick. I haven't been hit by any SA over 8.5k damage this patch, not even on chars with 6 light armor. EU | PC0 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »https://youtu.be/qqxr9npkbHo
Yup, seen enough.... clearly need to buff NB...
(skip to 1:00 if impatient!)
I feel for him. Embarrassing as hell.
On a completely unrelated note, does the lead pvp designer play a Nightblade, and have a magDK ex-girlfriend?0 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Whether the damage is legit or not, it's not an NB thing. There are abilities with a greater coeff than SA and there's nothing special about NB heavy attacks, therefore the damage can be more or less replicated by other classes with a similar build.
Except the bonus crit dmg passive, in stealth weapon dmg passive (on top of the one everyone gets) then anyone can do this. DK might because of the 40% heavy bonus, but double dipping the stealth damage bonus on2 attacks id like to know how
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✭✭✭✭Sorry but my heavy 1 light 1 medium sword and board DK with gold impen gear, 48 points in resistant, 60 in hardy rest in ele defender and 10 in quick recovery was hit for 24k damage from stealth, if not for the fact I have almost 30k health I would have been killed instantly
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✭I took 19k twice instagib with sa last night, my second i was still in shock from the first ready to alt f4 lol.
Full impen couldnt believe.AbraXuS
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orim✭✭✭I play on azura magplar cca 9k def no impen but max i was hit is about 9k but its rare to get hit bysuch high numbers.
SA is 4-6k max. Hot sure how is possible that CP can increase the damage to such numbers.
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✭This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.4 -
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I see what you're saying. But like I said in Jules' thread (you know the thread where I unloaded on the elves and their associates), to me ganking is separate from a fight. Ganking is not a fight. In a fight I don't know any NB that can really go toe to toe with the likes of Templars like MojiELFcan.Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
Also I never claimed that NB was "balanced" or that the other classes are all that balanced either. All I think is that NB (especially stamina) is not op.
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Whoa that dmg:):) I always forget your sorc name hehe. Im guessing this new heavy atk "trick" from stealth is because of magelight(might of the guild) and some combination of sets...hm. Kinda curious how he got the dmg to 27k.. Ive heard about battlespiritbug, but dunno
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✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.
https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck
The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.
Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.
Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.
You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).Edited by DDuke on May 13, 2016 3:26PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »https://youtu.be/qqxr9npkbHo
Yup, seen enough.... clearly need to buff NB...
(skip to 1:00 if impatient!)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o&time_continue=8&ebc=ANyPxKriqVYt9fnWQpcLsqMDff1Smm1nRYUR9L1Bx0UOlCE3pYSfbO5LRfxDGX100Zuk8wQW5lWWnIIE2MseuO36TtvIybfktQ
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »
I see what you're saying. But like I said in Jules' thread (you know the thread where I unloaded on the elves and their associates), to me ganking is separate from a fight. Ganking is not a fight. In a fight I don't know any NB that can really go toe to toe with the likes of Templars like MojiELFcan.Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
Also I never claimed that NB was "balanced" or that the other classes are all that balanced either. All I think is that NB (especially stamina) is not op.
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✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »
I see what you're saying. But like I said in Jules' thread (you know the thread where I unloaded on the elves and their associates), to me ganking is separate from a fight. Ganking is not a fight. In a fight I don't know any NB that can really go toe to toe with the likes of Templars like MojiELFcan.Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
Also I never claimed that NB was "balanced" or that the other classes are all that balanced either. All I think is that NB (especially stamina) is not op.
not you good sir. it's just funny how Kena and his goons are missing from this thread
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Darnathian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck
The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.
Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.
Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.
You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).
I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread0 -
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✭✭✭Don't hate on Nightblades that do that. It's the only way they can win fights.
These are the people who keep on searching for and abusing the cheesy mechanics, all the way back from max stealth speed one-shot snipes to camo hunter multi procs and beyond.Edited by Satiar on May 13, 2016 5:08PMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck
The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.
Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.
Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.
You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).
I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread
That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.
I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.The Age of Wrobel.2 -
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Lemme know when you find the magic spamable button that every class can press to go in stealth whenever they want, mhhkay.Darnathian wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.
If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.
Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.
What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck
The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.
Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.
Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.
You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).
I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread
That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.
I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.
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