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Why NB's are OP in 1 picture
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.Edited by DDuke on May 12, 2016 8:19AM2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.<Noricum>
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✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.~retired~
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
What happened to the stamDKs : P or were our top dogs not participating?<Noricum>
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Edited by DDuke on May 12, 2016 8:42AM1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
That´s hardly an argument. If none of the top players compete there is no reason to complain the class gets no top placement in the tournaments.
If those players had fought and all lost early on it would be a different story.<Noricum>
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
That´s hardly an argument. If none of the top players compete there is no reason to complain the class gets no top placement in the tournaments.
If those players had fought and all lost early on it would be a different story.
Derra, you think any stamblade actually wants to fight against the unkillable stam DKs & magicka templars?
There's a very good reason I never show up at duels with my nightblade - it's just not an enjoyable experience.
Wasting time in a tournament knowing you can only win if your bracket has only other nightblades - well... can you blame people for not wanting to participate?
We'll see in next Saturday's tournament if there's any NBs competing - there's been a lot of sign ups for that. I'll be on my templar (with whom I have 5x less experience than on my NB) because atleast I can know there's a chance of winning.Edited by DDuke on May 12, 2016 9:48AM1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
That´s hardly an argument. If none of the top players compete there is no reason to complain the class gets no top placement in the tournaments.
If those players had fought and all lost early on it would be a different story.
Derra, you think any stamblade actually wants to fight against the unkillable stam DKs & magicka templars?
There's a very good reason I never show up at duels with my nightblade - it's just not an enjoyable experience.
Wasting time in a tournament knowing you can only win if your bracket has only other nightblades - well... can you blame people for not wanting to participate?
We'll see in next Saturday's tournament if there's any NBs competing - there's been a lot of sign ups for that. I'll be on my templar (with whom I have 5x less experience than on my NB) because atleast I can know there's a chance of winning.
Well since you made the argument about the last tournament (which was about half a year ago - a period you said yourself NB was still competetive) and no stam NBs showed up anyway that does not make a whole lot of sense does it?
I would not sign up with a NB nor a Sorc currently as both are imo unable to defeat a really well played stam DK (sorc can possibly but not with a setup that´s working against all classes which is a requirement for the tournament).<Noricum>
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
That´s hardly an argument. If none of the top players compete there is no reason to complain the class gets no top placement in the tournaments.
If those players had fought and all lost early on it would be a different story.
Derra, you think any stamblade actually wants to fight against the unkillable stam DKs & magicka templars?
There's a very good reason I never show up at duels with my nightblade - it's just not an enjoyable experience.
Wasting time in a tournament knowing you can only win if your bracket has only other nightblades - well... can you blame people for not wanting to participate?
We'll see in next Saturday's tournament if there's any NBs competing - there's been a lot of sign ups for that. I'll be on my templar (with whom I have 5x less experience than on my NB) because atleast I can know there's a chance of winning.
Well since you made the argument about the last tournament (which was about half a year ago - a period you said yourself NB was still competetive) and no stam NBs showed up anyway that does not make a whole lot of sense does it?
I would not sign up with a NB nor a Sorc currently as both are imo unable to defeat a really well played stam DK (sorc can possibly but not with a setup that´s working against all classes which is a requirement for the tournament).
A good Sorc can beat good stam DK, or atleast you can survive & force a tie. A NB cannot win & cannot survive. It's just silly...1 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭It seems like in every game I've played people want to nerf or think the steath class is OP. I think that people just get mad when things kill them that they can't see.Xbox One [ NA ]
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the most important question still remains unanswered: if Nightblades are "overpowered", why has there never been a dueling tournament winner (do correct me if I'm wrong) from the NB class, and why are top 10s of those tournaments littered with sorcs & DKs instead?
To further buff this argument, aren't NBs also the most popular class? Yet they don't even make it to top 10 of duels.
Maybe @Jules has an answer to this.
I don´t see that much sorcs either. If i´ve not missed anything the last EU 1v1 tourney had 3x stam DK 1x magsorc 1x stamsorc 2x magblade (and the magsorc had luck bc all three stamdks were on the same faction as the sorc).
No idea how the 2v2 event went.
2v2 was 2 stamnb and 2 mag sorcs both teams AD.
Well, I more meant the 1v1 tournaments :P
They've always traditionally had DKs & Sorcs taking the top places.
I remember back when stam NBs were atleast playable in duels, like half a year ago... they still didn't make it to top 5 of dueling tournaments. Now they're worse than they've ever been and people want to nerf them even more
Honestly i can´t think of a top stamNB player even participating in the last tournament. But i might be missing someone.
If no stamblade signs up they´re not likely to get top places.
stamblades know their place I'm afraid...
That´s hardly an argument. If none of the top players compete there is no reason to complain the class gets no top placement in the tournaments.
If those players had fought and all lost early on it would be a different story.
Derra, you think any stamblade actually wants to fight against the unkillable stam DKs & magicka templars?
There's a very good reason I never show up at duels with my nightblade - it's just not an enjoyable experience.
Wasting time in a tournament knowing you can only win if your bracket has only other nightblades - well... can you blame people for not wanting to participate?
We'll see in next Saturday's tournament if there's any NBs competing - there's been a lot of sign ups for that. I'll be on my templar (with whom I have 5x less experience than on my NB) because atleast I can know there's a chance of winning.
Well since you made the argument about the last tournament (which was about half a year ago - a period you said yourself NB was still competetive) and no stam NBs showed up anyway that does not make a whole lot of sense does it?
I would not sign up with a NB nor a Sorc currently as both are imo unable to defeat a really well played stam DK (sorc can possibly but not with a setup that´s working against all classes which is a requirement for the tournament).
A good Sorc can beat good stam DK, or atleast you can survive & force a tie. A NB cannot win & cannot survive. It's just silly...
Not arguing you can´t survive as a sorc. But to actually kill them requires build adjustments that just aren´t really advisable when also fighting templars for example.
Also i´ve yet to see a sorc beat a stamDKs with optimal race in a serious duel.
One of the other problems with stamina in dueling is redguard is on a completely different planet in terms of sustain compared to other races (even bosmer). You can´t make up for the redguard passive when creating a dueling build. Any other race puts you at a disadvantage.<Noricum>
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭If this actually was an indication of a strong class, Sorcs would be the weakest, NBs the strongest, and DKs the second strongest.
That is simply not the case, a Sorc would break a DK more times than not assuming players of equal skill.1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If this actually was an indication of a strong class, Sorcs would be the weakest, NBs the strongest, and DKs the second strongest.
That is simply not the case, a Sorc would break a DK more times than not assuming players of equal skill.
I´m pretty confident a sorc will not be able to kill me ever on my stamDK once he´s fully leveled and geared.<Noricum>
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think this is relevant to the thread, as it showcases one of the major weaknesses of Nightblade class: sustained damage.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265454/flurry-vs-surprise-attack-major-imbalance-in-damage
The burst is more or less comparable to other classes, but the sustained DPS is so awful that you just dont stand a chance against DoTs & Major Mending+class heals/shields, especially when cloak is so buggy you cannot reliably (or even semi-reliably) mitigate any of that damage.
There's a lot of hype about Surprise Attack and how "awesome" it is, when the reality is that it deals kinda bad damage.
Currently, most of the instagibs come from big heavy attacks comboed with any instant cast ability.
Next patch, you'll be able to deal more burst with Heavy Attack->Rapid Strikes than you do with Heavy Attack->Surprise Attack.Edited by DDuke on May 12, 2016 12:00PM3 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think this thread took an unintended turn on the OP.
Instead of "let's get NB's nerfed" it really turned into "Dks and Temps" are the ones that need downtuning.2 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just Nerf charts and be done with it . Charts are obviously OP and have never seen one balance update since launch .Edited by Rohamad_Ali on May 12, 2016 3:12PM4 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).
100% this.
I have no issues fighting a stam DK. It´s an interesting fight most of the time IF and that´s a big if because most of the current stam DKs are rerolls - if it´s not a redguard.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).
100% this.
I have no issues fighting a stam DK. It´s an interesting fight most of the time IF and that´s a big if because most of the current stam DKs are rerolls - if it´s not a redguard.
Yeah. People complain about Sorcs who can just stack everything into magicka and get defense as well. But every build gets more defense (healing) by stacking dmg or the mainstat. And nobody complains about Redguards who can just stack stamina and get defense, damage AND regen. If that's not overpowered than I don't know...I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).
100% this.
I have no issues fighting a stam DK. It´s an interesting fight most of the time IF and that´s a big if because most of the current stam DKs are rerolls - if it´s not a redguard.
Yeah. People complain about Sorcs who can just stack everything into magicka and get defense as well. But every build gets more defense (healing) by stacking dmg or the mainstat. And nobody complains about Redguards who can just stack stamina and get defense, damage AND regen. If that's not overpowered than I don't know...
I've highlighted the biggest problem NBs have outside ganking.
While it's true you get more Vigor healing by stacking weapon dmg, the main issue here is that all other builds besides stamblades benefit from that 20% more due to Major Mending and have more heals/shields to go along with all that weapon dmg/stamina.
This was a fair trade-off when cloak still worked properly and was our main source of dmg mitigation - but it's not the case anymore.1 -
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✭@Derra All of my stam builds are RedGuards what is broken about Redguards passives.Can you please explain it to me because am not sure what you and @Ragnaroek93 are talking about when you say Redguards are broken.0 -
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Stam blades are also getting easy access to disease dmg this patch though, and IRC disease damage has a chance to proc major defile (I think it was 30% chance? Anyone remember the actual number?) which will negate major mending.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).
100% this.
I have no issues fighting a stam DK. It´s an interesting fight most of the time IF and that´s a big if because most of the current stam DKs are rerolls - if it´s not a redguard.
Yeah. People complain about Sorcs who can just stack everything into magicka and get defense as well. But every build gets more defense (healing) by stacking dmg or the mainstat. And nobody complains about Redguards who can just stack stamina and get defense, damage AND regen. If that's not overpowered than I don't know...
I've highlighted the biggest problem NBs have outside ganking.
While it's true you get more Vigor healing by stacking weapon dmg, the main issue here is that all other builds besides stamblades benefit from that 20% more due to Major Mending and have more heals/shields to go along with all that weapon dmg/stamina.
This was a fair trade-off when cloak still worked properly and was our main source of dmg mitigation - but it's not the case anymore.
This is why everyone puts disease dmg weapon enchants on their weps.2 -
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✭✭@Derra All of my stam builds are RedGuards what is broken about Redguards passives.Can you please explain it to me because am not sure what you and @Ragnaroek93 are talking about when you say Redguards are broken.
The Adrenaline rush passive allows a redguard to effectively stack more damage, and still maintain higher sustain then similar builds.A redguard can both out sustain and out damage the opponent.- Mojican2 -
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Stam blades are also getting easy access to disease dmg this patch though, and IRC disease damage has a chance to proc major defile (I think it was 30% chance? Anyone remember the actual number?) which will negate major mending.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I actually prefer fighting Stamdks over good Manasorcs or Manatemps unless the Dk isn't a Redguard. Seriously, this race is broken and makes Stambuilds impossible to balance (especially on Stamdks).
100% this.
I have no issues fighting a stam DK. It´s an interesting fight most of the time IF and that´s a big if because most of the current stam DKs are rerolls - if it´s not a redguard.
Yeah. People complain about Sorcs who can just stack everything into magicka and get defense as well. But every build gets more defense (healing) by stacking dmg or the mainstat. And nobody complains about Redguards who can just stack stamina and get defense, damage AND regen. If that's not overpowered than I don't know...
I've highlighted the biggest problem NBs have outside ganking.
While it's true you get more Vigor healing by stacking weapon dmg, the main issue here is that all other builds besides stamblades benefit from that 20% more due to Major Mending and have more heals/shields to go along with all that weapon dmg/stamina.
This was a fair trade-off when cloak still worked properly and was our main source of dmg mitigation - but it's not the case anymore.
This is why everyone puts disease dmg weapon enchants on their weps.
Disease damage has a small chance of proccing Minor Defile, which reduces target's healing taken by 15%. So this means Incapacitating Strike has a small chance of proccing it - though you're still better off slotting DBOS next patch which practically gives a -100%+ Healing Debuff by applying a DoT of a magnitude you cannot outheal. No other stamblade skills which see use in PvP are being made disease damage: Killer's Blade, Relentless Focus proc (well, this one occasionally gets used), Power Extraction.
I think it should be mentioned, there's also a potion next patch that gives you Major Vitality for 47.9 seconds (+30% healing received), which of course stacks with Major Mending...Edited by DDuke on May 12, 2016 8:21PM1 -
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Really I never thought that was really broken.Can you tell me how much stamina they are expected to get back from a melee hit?I play on Consoles so hard to do they math and test the information.@Derra All of my stam builds are RedGuards what is broken about Redguards passives.Can you please explain it to me because am not sure what you and @Ragnaroek93 are talking about when you say Redguards are broken.
The Adrenaline rush passive allows a redguard to effectively stack more damage, and still maintain higher sustain then similar builds.A redguard can both out sustain and out damage the opponent.
I never really thought Redguards were a broken race on a stambuild I usually just pick them because I really like the Redguard race.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Derra All of my stam builds are RedGuards what is broken about Redguards passives.Can you please explain it to me because am not sure what you and @Ragnaroek93 are talking about when you say Redguards are broken.
The Adrenaline rush passive allows a redguard to effectively stack more damage, and still maintain higher sustain then similar builds.A redguard can both out sustain and out damage the opponent.
Absurd. The best race is obviously the one with the greatest number of individual bonuses! Uhm. Nerf Orcs? I dunno. We're going to need a screenshot of a list to settle this.1 -
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Really I never thought that was really broken.Can you tell me how much stamina they are expected to get back from a melee hit?I play on Consoles so hard to do they math and test the information.@Derra All of my stam builds are RedGuards what is broken about Redguards passives.Can you please explain it to me because am not sure what you and @Ragnaroek93 are talking about when you say Redguards are broken.
The Adrenaline rush passive allows a redguard to effectively stack more damage, and still maintain higher sustain then similar builds.A redguard can both out sustain and out damage the opponent.
I never really thought Redguards were a broken race on a stambuild I usually just pick them because I really like the Redguard race.
My redguard nb is sitting at 36.5k stam (no undaunted). The passive reads 1095 stamina every 3 seconds. Regen ticks every 2 seconds. Multiply the number 2 and divide it by 3. So the passive gives me 730 stamina regen for stacking damage.- Mojican2