Restore Bracing - Never Ask for Buffs

Personofsecrets · May 2016

sebban wrote: »

quadraxis666 wrote: »

We seriously still have no answer here? WOW

I guess we'll have to make another 20 pages before we get another response.

An answer would seem to be just PR now anyhow. I see little chance of us getting meaningful and positive changes. We will only get what we want after it has been warped by whatever the developer vision happens to be at the time.

sebban · May 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

sebban wrote: »

quadraxis666 wrote: »

We seriously still have no answer here? WOW

I guess we'll have to make another 20 pages before we get another response.

An answer would seem to be just PR now anyhow. I see little chance of us getting meaningful and positive changes. We will only get what we want after it has been warped by whatever the developer vision happens to be at the time.

Agreed. "We didn't want to make tanking harder". -> Proceeds to nerf tanking even more.

It seems every patch is "buff DPS, nerf Tanks".

Teridaxus · May 2016

The stam sorcs and enchanters are still fighting.
We shouldn't give up yet!

Armitas · May 2016

I feel like tanks have been assimilated by the borg.

Personofsecrets · May 2016

Armitas wrote: »

I feel like tanks have been assimilated by the borg.

lol

DDuke · May 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265399/detailed-explanation-of-block-cost-changes

Just leaving this out here.

Teridaxus · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265399/detailed-explanation-of-block-cost-changes

Just leaving this out here.

Thanks

caperon · May 2016

I wont tank anymore. Im not a hamster forced to redo everything everytime some developer in ZOS has a brainfart.

Bowser · May 2016

At this point, the simplest solution is to make the Black Rose set Sturdy instead of Impenetrable on the Tel Var merchants.

Personofsecrets · May 2016

DDuke wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265399/detailed-explanation-of-block-cost-changes

Just leaving this out here.

Thank you

Ajaxduo · May 2016

Essentially they are saying "oh but we buffed this passive therefore blocking must cost more to compensate!"...what was the point in buffing constitution if nothing changes in tanks favor? Might as well revert all of the changes at this point, but I doubt it will happen. I've spent time working some builds and here is my 'best' result so far; medium armor (tava's) regen build with 29~35k resistances. Spamming bone shield, only blocking mechanics. Yep, sounds like tanking to me!

Personofsecrets · May 2016

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Essentially they are saying "oh but we buffed this passive therefore blocking must cost more to compensate!"...what was the point in buffing constitution if nothing changes in tanks favor? Might as well revert all of the changes at this point, but I doubt it will happen. I've spent time working some builds and here is my 'best' result so far; medium armor (tava's) regen build with 29~35k resistances. Spamming bone shield, only blocking mechanics. Yep, sounds like tanking to me!

we would be young and naive to think that we would actually get something palpable!

Xsorus · May 2016

Bowser wrote: »

At this point, the simplest solution is to make the Black Rose set Sturdy instead of Impenetrable on the Tel Var merchants.

Nope; go buy the bags if you want different traits

DDuke · May 2016

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Essentially they are saying "oh but we buffed this passive therefore blocking must cost more to compensate!"...what was the point in buffing constitution if nothing changes in tanks favor? Might as well revert all of the changes at this point, but I doubt it will happen. I've spent time working some builds and here is my 'best' result so far; medium armor (tava's) regen build with 29~35k resistances. Spamming bone shield, only blocking mechanics. Yep, sounds like tanking to me!

Maybe you should look at it from a different angle.

Nothing changes in tanks' favor (unless you wear a lot of Sturdy), but holding block gets harder if you don't use heavy armor (since you wont get constitution).

Also, you can do the same build you described in heavy armor & deal more damage, since you likely wont have gear to stack weapon/spell dmg high enough (with that much mitigation & lots of regen) in order to make medium armor more beneficial.

Not that any of the easymode 4-man dungeons really even require a tank...

rfennell_ESO · May 2016

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for your feedback on the recent changes to Bracing. We wanted to free up Heavy Armor to be able to fulfill more roles, and not pigeonhole those who use Heavy Armor to just a tanking role. However, we also didn't want the net effect of the changes to Heavy Armor to affect tanks too much by offsetting the loss of Bracing with buffs to Constitution and Mending--passives that also help non-tanks manage their resources.

The overall goal here is not to make tanking more difficult. The numbers for constitution were balanced around being hit every second. You guys have identified situations where you're getting hit every half second and having trouble with the quick stamina depletion. We're going to be reworking some things to make tanking easier in these situations.

Overall, we want players to have fun playing a tank and have enough resources to activate abilities. You aren't being ignored, we just didn't want to rush out a change for this past PTS incremental.

It's mostly the pvp permablockers wanting to keep permablocking everything.

I really hope you can distinguish real feedback from bs.

ManDraKE · May 2016

Armitas wrote: »

I feel like tanks have been assimilated by the borg.

resistance is futile

Armitas · May 2016

I feel like all of this has very little to do with tanking and everything to do with being a trait line update that will burn through any village in the way of its destination. Will there be a ticker tape parade at the end of the destination? Possibly, but many of us will miss out on that because we will be too busy buying and rebuilding our homes just to have the same home again only with a different color.

HoloYoitsu · May 2016

Good thing Overwatch will be out before this patch drops.

At least I can have a fulfilling tanking experience in that game.

iam117 · May 2016

i will be moving to medium armor tanking/dps spec, there is no reason to use heavy at all anymore, between the new sheilds, and the changes to cp, ha just became useless, tanks should be able to do ALOT more dmg now, but at what cost?

sure im jazzed to try to maximize dps on my tank, but really we shouldnt be shooting for that. we should be shooting for group buffs and group mitigation. im sure people will find a way to do all three, and i seriously doubt the cp trees will stay exactly as they are now.

you did not make ha and tanking more desirable for pve, you sharted on it.

Aoshy · May 2016

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Draxys · May 2016

I heard about the sturdy change and thought "hey, maybe I'll dust off the old sap tank that hasn't been fun since they screwed the game with 1.6."

Nope lol

Every time I consider updating and giving it another go, ZOS justifies my decision to quit.

Sacadon · May 2016

Draxys wrote: »

I heard about the sturdy change and thought "hey, maybe I'll dust off the old sap tank that hasn't been fun since they screwed the game with 1.6."

Nope lol

Every time I consider updating and giving it another go, ZOS justifies my decision to quit.

^^

Teridaxus · May 2016

Just as info, this monday will be the last patch where they change balance.
Next monday ( 1 week before release ) is always only polishing and bug fixes.

Ajaxduo · May 2016

liv3mind wrote: »

i will be moving to medium armor tanking/dps spec, there is no reason to use heavy at all anymore, between the new sheilds, and the changes to cp, ha just became useless, tanks should be able to do ALOT more dmg now, but at what cost?

sure im jazzed to try to maximize dps on my tank, but really we shouldnt be shooting for that. we should be shooting for group buffs and group mitigation. im sure people will find a way to do all three, and i seriously doubt the cp trees will stay exactly as they are now.

you did not make ha and tanking more desirable for pve, you sharted on it.

I arrived at this conclusion to, which is cool and all for my stam tanks. But in all honesty tanks are not needed out side of trials (now even more so).

Teridaxus · May 2016

Hahaha
Looks like they changed nothing and next week won't have anything too since its only bug fixes

GG Zos

You made tanks even more rare with DB

Personofsecrets · May 2016

Lets get some sturdy testing to see how it stacks all.

removing bracing in exchange for inserting sturdy is an hideous perversion of the resource management we wanted, but oh well.

NBrookus · May 2016

Agreed - now that sturdy is fixed, some actual testing can happen. I don't WANT to regear to sturdy, but it would be nice to know if it;s a viable option. I hope our EU players can get some time in on their regular characters to let us know how it goes.

Teridaxus · May 2016

Anyone can test 4 sturdy and 3 infused maybe?

I don't want to give up all traits...

Personofsecrets · May 2016

PVE tanks will have to use Sturdy unless they want to use something less efficient to achieve the same end.

Cinbri · May 2016

Testing Sturdy moved to some weird results. Can anybody share their tests?