Whole DLC that dedicated To STAMINA!!!???

TheHsN · May 2016

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love... REALLY they needed to that..
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

luxfreak · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

Brrrofski · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

Well in pvp, stam NBs are going to be super OP. People are going to get three shotted all over the place.

TheHsN · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

You really dont know this game right...you will:)...

Turelus · May 2016

Didn't we just have a Magicka based expansion? (Thieves Guild)

I may be wrong, I just seem to remember many threads like this but switch Magicka and Stamina around.

Honestly OP just relax, Magicka will get love again some time, they can't do everything at once and no matter what they address they'll have to leave something out.

TheHsN · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Didn't we just have a Magicka based expansion? (Thieves Guild)

I may be wrong, I just seem to remember many threads like this but switch Magicka and Stamina around.

Honestly OP just relax, Magicka will get love again some time, they can't do everything at once and no matter what they address they'll have to leave something out.

-i dont agree with you about destroying things while fixing other things...They can fix and make balanace together..
-I dont say anything that they made in this DLC for stamina they were right to do YES...
-But pls accept that they should not destroy what was already good...i want to say this..

And PLS be honest Thievs Guild DLC is the worst meaningless broken DLC ever came:)......even they accepted it at the ESOLIVE...

Brrrofski · May 2016

With the exception to stam Nb, with the change to harness, I think magica got superior buffs.

Can't see people really running bone shield.

luxfreak · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

You really dont know this game right...you will:)...

Well, i do know that no matter how hard i try, i will never get as much dps as my equally skilled magika counterpart.
I talked with that about others who are realy good with there class of choice as stamina build, they agree with me.
I once tried to play a Magika Templar in pve. I kinda facerolled him, with only the second best rota available(but there more easy one) and dealt at least the same amount of dps then the guy stamplar main. Now go ahead and please tell me thjat i just suck at playing my class, im happy to hear that from you:)
Oh, and just for reference, my best play is with my stamina NB.

luxfreak · May 2016

Oh, and i just looked up the original Patch Notes for 2.4.
If you look closly, the main changes that Stamina Players get, are the Damage Type Changes.
Except the Dk, and now the Sorc.
But every Class gets quite some love on a different level as well.
I cant judge how good theese changes are, but i can imagine the new Negate to be very powerfull, at the evry least.

TheHsN · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

You really dont know this game right...you will:)...

Well, i do know that no matter how hard i try, i will never get as much dps as my equally skilled magika counterpart.
I talked with that about others who are realy good with there class of choice as stamina build, they agree with me.
I once tried to play a Magika Templar in pve. I kinda facerolled him, with only the second best rota available(but there more easy one) and dealt at least the same amount of dps then the guy stamplar main. Now go ahead and please tell me thjat i just suck at playing my class, im happy to hear that from you:)
Oh, and just for reference, my best play is with my stamina NB.

Look my friend,

i have never said that they should not buff stamina. I just said magicka didnt need those "NERFS" i love playing stamina i have 4 charcters of stamina...I try to say ZOS is breaking good things while they try to fix other things ok...

And i have friends that making perfect DPS with stamina NB and Sorc...if you want i can make you meet with them and they can help you rise your DPS with Stamina NB...I mean it not that trying to say u are bad at it ok...

And pls all people should live hating Stamina and Hating Magicka ....i just want both be balanced...Now it is not again:)..

eveyday i test in PTS....

TheHsN · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

Oh, and i just looked up the original Patch Notes for 2.4.
If you look closly, the main changes that Stamina Players get, are the Damage Type Changes.
Except the Dk, and now the Sorc.
But every Class gets quite some love on a different level as well.
I cant judge how good theese changes are, but i can imagine the new Negate to be very powerfull, at the evry least.

nobody use negate like nobody uses PETS:)...so doesnt metter...

luxfreak · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

Oh, and i just looked up the original Patch Notes for 2.4.
If you look closly, the main changes that Stamina Players get, are the Damage Type Changes.
Except the Dk, and now the Sorc.
But every Class gets quite some love on a different level as well.
I cant judge how good theese changes are, but i can imagine the new Negate to be very powerfull, at the evry least.

nobody use negate like nobody uses PETS:)...so doesnt metter...

Ignoring your comment about negate just now, Negate was an EXAMPLE, so if you dont go, read the patch notes and tell me for every change they have made, that it sucks, and is an nerf in every aspect, i cant take you for full.
Ohh, and if you read the patch notes, you should see that i made a mistake, i forgot to mention that staminas got beast trap as a DoT now, and the spider web and ofc the fighter guild changes, stupid me

Still they did also things for Magika players which you seem to ignore

Tdroid · May 2016

Stamina getting some proper lovin' was about time, if you ask me. Now stamina players have some world-skills to improve themselves with, and more properly specced stamina morphs for the few class skills we have.

If we are lucky, the new meta will have space for both stamina or magicka. If we are not and one is underpowered... well, let's just say that I don't think a stamina meta would be on top for long. ZOS seems to love magicka more and all of that.

TheHsN · May 2016

Tdroid wrote: »

Stamina getting some proper lovin' was about time, if you ask me. Now stamina players have some world-skills to improve themselves with, and more properly specced stamina morphs for the few class skills we have.

If we are lucky, the new meta will have space for both stamina or magicka. If we are not and one is underpowered... well, let's just say that I don't think a stamina meta would be on top for long. ZOS seems to love magicka more and all of that.

My mate...

i have nerver say stamina dont need love...PLS read what i wrote carefully and what i mean..:)...

luxfreak · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

Tdroid wrote: »

Stamina getting some proper lovin' was about time, if you ask me. Now stamina players have some world-skills to improve themselves with, and more properly specced stamina morphs for the few class skills we have.

If we are lucky, the new meta will have space for both stamina or magicka. If we are not and one is underpowered... well, let's just say that I don't think a stamina meta would be on top for long. ZOS seems to love magicka more and all of that.

My mate...

i have nerver say stamina dont need love...PLS read what i wrote carefully and what i mean..:)...

Right back at you. My post was about the fact that Magikas did get love, simply significatly less love, as staminas need it so much more.

Mayby my train of thought was a bit hard to follow

Vaoh · May 2016

I like Stamina getting buffed in the Dark Brotherhood patch, but I have two problems that arose with it.

First off, the sets coming with Dark Brotherhood are almost all usable on Stamina builds (and almost all new DB sets kind of suck tbh).

Second, Pelinal's Aptitude is a very interesting set to support Hybrid builds. However, this is starting to become pointless due to the vast similarities within a single class playing Magicka or Stamina. The Nightblade class will still use Veiled Strike, Teleport Strike, Grim Focus, Death Stroke, etc. Nightblade Hybrid is 100% pointless, and it's getting there with other class as well.

luxfreak · May 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

I like Stamina getting buffed in the Dark Brotherhood patch, but I have two problems that arose with it.

First off, the sets coming with Dark Brotherhood are almost all usable on Stamina builds (and almost all new DB sets kind of suck tbh).

Second, Pelinal's Aptitude is a very interesting set to support Hybrid builds. However, this is starting to become pointless due to the vast similarities within a single class playing Magicka or Stamina. The Nightblade class will still use Veiled Strike, Teleport Strike, Grim Focus, Death Stroke, etc. Nightblade Hybrid is 100% pointless, and it's getting there with other class as well.

Magikablades could go and use ambush for the empowered deto, or empowered soul teather.
Staminablades could go and actually use cripple, or funnel.

Stamina Templer with not so bad class healing.
Stamina Templer casting RD

All thoose Speells will ofc still cause less Damage, as you still dont have the resources for it, but i realy like the possibility, to use the skills from the other ressource for Utility and get even some damage/Healing Payment of it.

In my Opinion you wouldnt go a Hybrid Build with Pelinal's Aptitude but a sustained Utility Build, where the Rest of your Setup is Max Stat based.

---

I personaly love the flanking strategist set for raids, because except in sanctum, we get to figth in the back of the enemy most of the times.
And i gonna try out the morihaus set for pvp, with the new reduced dodge costs.

I think there are Stamina Sets with some potential. You just have to find a way to use it.

Jhunn · May 2016

I've never understood this whole TG 'stamina needs buffs' thing. Sure, stam sorcs and stamplars did, but stam NBs and DKs were on pair with all magicka builds. The only thing that magicka builds excelled at was Vicious bombing (which is an incredibly stupid concept, but that's another thing).

I can't help but laugh when stam NBs and DKs asks for buffs.

nordsavage · May 2016

It has been known since a bit before Thieves Guild came out that Dark Brotherhood would be a stamina love fest. I am glad.

luxfreak · May 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

I've never understood this whole TG 'stamina needs buffs' thing. Sure, stam sorcs and stamplars did, but stam NBs and DKs were on pair with all magicka builds. The only thing that magicka builds excelled at was Vicious bombing (which is an incredibly stupid concept, but that's another thing).

I can't help but laugh when stam NBs and DKs asks for buffs.

Guess thats a PVP Persprectiv.
It might be true that in PVP Stam Blades could be quite Powerfull, if played good.
Nevertheless, in PVE all Stam Builds, mayby with exception of a very well played stam DK with MSA Weapons against a Deadra, were inferiour to Magika Builds and there was no real reason to take one with you in your raid group.
Even now i think that Stam Sorcs/blades/templer, need some kind of buff. But more in a 'uniqe buff/utility for my group' way, instead of just more Damage.

susmitds · May 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

Well in pvp, stam NBs are going to be super OP. People are going to get three shotted all over the place.

In PvE, stamina nightblades still suck due to lack of sustain. Stamblades got PvP buffs, while they actually need PvE buffs.

luxfreak · May 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

Well in pvp, stam NBs are going to be super OP. People are going to get three shotted all over the place.

In PvE, stamina nightblades still suck due to lack of sustain. Stamblades got PvP buffs, while they actually need PvE buffs.

In Solo PVE, you can always go focus+siphoning attacks+ heavy weaving.
In group you shout angry and loudly at your healer that you need shards.
Thats the Solution im going with.

Roymachine · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

I've never understood this whole TG 'stamina needs buffs' thing. Sure, stam sorcs and stamplars did, but stam NBs and DKs were on pair with all magicka builds. The only thing that magicka builds excelled at was Vicious bombing (which is an incredibly stupid concept, but that's another thing).

I can't help but laugh when stam NBs and DKs asks for buffs.

Guess thats a PVP Persprectiv.
It might be true that in PVP Stam Blades could be quite Powerfull, if played good.
Nevertheless, in PVE all Stam Builds, mayby with exception of a very well played stam DK with MSA Weapons against a Deadra, were inferiour to Magika Builds and there was no real reason to take one with you in your raid group.
Even now i think that Stam Sorcs/blades/templer, need some kind of buff. But more in a 'uniqe buff/utility for my group' way, instead of just more Damage.

Maybe something like Power of the Light shielding allies within range for X% of damgae dealt, or turning Solar Barrage into a stam morph that charges the ground around you in light, doing X damage a second or just a flat X amount of damage once and granting Empower. Or giving a stam morph of Healing Ritual that pulsates healing in an area around you for 8 seconds? Lot of options here especially for spells/morphs that aren't even used.

SickDuck · May 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

luxfreak wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

hi,

DB DLC all involved to STAMINA BASE...I say yes Stamina was needed some love...
But while doing that you dont need to take all love from Magicka...
We just want you to share it EQUAL..

In whole DLC there isnt anything good for magicka any skill,any passive skill,any item ETC...in addition to these you are TAKING what we have too...

i hope you can fix things without breaking others...

Thank you.

Stamina didnt need just some love, we needed big love.
While Magika got quite some love for a while, stamina didnt recieve anything.
So by now, were getting slowly on equal ground.
We arent even is my guess.
Here for you: NB: Stam and Mag Nbs now probably provide around the same amount of Damage, mayby Magika still does a little bit more. Thats not so bad. BUT: Magblades Ppovide the groupe with quite much offheal and they can shoot from range.
Templar: Cant say, not realy experinced with both playstiles, just know that Magika Templar provide more group support with shards.
DK: same as Templar. But as far as i know the new Stam DK will we pretty op and mayby realy outscale the magika playstile.
Sorcs: Stam: Weakest of all Stam classes, probably even with the newest changes.
Mag: Probably deal more Damage, at least higher Burst with Overload, can Shoot from range.

These Opinions were very pve biased. Maybe some feedback from experienenced PVP players?

Well in pvp, stam NBs are going to be super OP. People are going to get three shotted all over the place.

In PvE, stamina nightblades still suck due to lack of sustain. Stamblades got PvP buffs, while they actually need PvE buffs.

This. Switched my bosmer stamblade to magicka after the TG dlc after 2 years cause of being sick how it underperforms in PvE. With the DB changes I don't think it worth to switch back. Image if we got race change too as promised, and could switch to a magicka race...

Personofsecrets · May 2016

Apparently not for tanks stamina though.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

Stop whining, magicka got more love this update than stamina got last update.

Jhunn · May 2016

luxfreak wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

I've never understood this whole TG 'stamina needs buffs' thing. Sure, stam sorcs and stamplars did, but stam NBs and DKs were on pair with all magicka builds. The only thing that magicka builds excelled at was Vicious bombing (which is an incredibly stupid concept, but that's another thing).

I can't help but laugh when stam NBs and DKs asks for buffs.

Guess thats a PVP Persprectiv.
It might be true that in PVP Stam Blades could be quite Powerfull, if played good.
Nevertheless, in PVE all Stam Builds, mayby with exception of a very well played stam DK with MSA Weapons against a Deadra, were inferiour to Magika Builds and there was no real reason to take one with you in your raid group.
Even now i think that Stam Sorcs/blades/templer, need some kind of buff. But more in a 'uniqe buff/utility for my group' way, instead of just more Damage.

Maybe with the exception of a stam DK? Stam DKs pull some of the highest numbers at the moment. As for the others, I agree, but if we're talking PvE, the TG patch didn't change much for magicka DPS except the changes done to CP. And that's the whole discussion, isn't it? Magicka got so many buffs, so now it's stamina?

Teridaxus · May 2016

The first year of eso was elder staff online and thieves was magicka too

We also all know that nightblades are out of control in pvp.

Thelon · May 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

nobody use negate like nobody uses PETS:)

"nobody"

TheHsN · May 2016

Thelon wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

nobody use negate like nobody uses PETS:)

"nobody"

figure of speech:)

Ghost-Shot · May 2016

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

The first year of eso was elder staff online and thieves was magicka too

We also all know that nightblades are out of control in pvp.

The first 10 months or so sure, then for over a year stamina was king, broken nirn in 1.6/2.0 meant gg any magicka build besides sorcs. In 2.1a lot of people went back to magicka at the start but ultimately went back to stam because it was still so much better with the range//damage/execute of steel tornado, the powerful cc/high damage of wrecking blow, and the great mobility associated with stamina builds. For 2.3 magicka has been king for group play and zerg bombing due to the ridiculous buffs to prox det and VD set but Stamina remained very viable for group play and a very good option for solo play because of the mobility gained from Shuffle in the Elder Snares Online.

In 2.4 magicka is still going to be the way to go for group play IMO because prox det and VD are still stupid and mist form is going to give us the mobility we so desperately need but stamina will absolutely be the way to go for Templars and DK's in general open world solo play and that is the problem. They have over buffed stamina to the point that if I want to go out and play solo on my DK, I don't see any reason to play anything else.