Epona222 wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

“I started to feel fine with not getting the perks, especially with the 50% XP bonus drink. I bought a bunch of Crowns during a sale so that I had a nest egg. I started to feel really good about owning rather than renting Wrothgar and Imperial City. I feel really good about owning Thieves Guild and will feel great about owning Dark Brotherhood. They are mine. They cannot be taken away due to a lapsed subscription.



From https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4h2wjz/crafting_bags/d2n8t0r

This quote snipped from an earlier post on this thread, I particularly wanted to comment on this point - please note that the poster I quoted it from is quoting it from a post on Reddit, I have left the link in place.

Actually if they shut the servers down, it won't matter one whit whether anyone has the DLC due to ESO+ or having bought it for crowns - ALL content in an MMO is leased/rented including the base game (and actually if you look at the fine print, most software is leased or on a limited license with conditions, not owned by the end user) until such time as the company running it decides it is time to stop providing services for that product, no matter how it was paid for/supplied. The person who bought DLC with crowns does not own it any more than the person who gets it via subbing. If/When ZOS shut down the servers, we'll all be in the same boat regardless of how any DLC or bonuses were supplied to us. I want them to be as successful as possible in the meantime, in order that the day that happens is a long way off. Because I really like this game, and want to be playing it for a long time to come.

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

I'm honestly starting to get really sick of people saying "I spent just as much money as the subscribers have, I should get the bag too."

That's plain BS.

The crafting bags aren't bought with money "already spent". They are going to be rented going forward with money that needs to be spent. Even if it were to be offered in the crown store, more money would need to be spent. So that argument is complete garbage.

I do get what the argument really is... That argument actually is: "Buying instead of renting used to be a good option, but now it's not as good. And now I'm mad because I already bought the stuff." I get that, but frankly, that happens. Business models change. ZOS doesn't "owe you" anything.

Just because ZOS gave players the option to "rent or buy" some (but not all) previously available sub-perk features (i.e. the DLCs, and only the DLCs) does NOT mean that they are forever obligated to continue to do so for all future sub-perk features. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Choosing to buy the DLC instead of subbing is still a viable choice, as it always has been. People who chose that model chose to give up all the other sub-only perks (exp bonus, gold bonus, research bonus, etc.) because they only cared about having the DLCs. And that's fine. You can still do that. But you can't all of a sudden start to complain because they are adding yet another sub-only perk that can't be purchased with crowns (to the list of existing sub-only perks that can't be purchased with crowns), just because this time it's something that you actually want.

You can't buy the 10% gold bonus with crowns. You can't buy the reduced research times with crowns. You don't see anyone complaining about those though, because they aren't that special. The crafting bag is no different from those other perks. It's just more useful.

I've said it before in this thread, and I'll say it again. Anyone complaining about bags being sub-only is simply upset that they finally added just one more sub-only perk that is actually useful, and now they are mad because their "I'll just buy the DLCs with crowns instead of subbing" option isn't quite as attractive as it used to be.

You want the crafting bag? Get a sub.

@Divinius and @everyoneelsewhokeepsmakingassumptionswhodontread
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

The issue isn't that we in Xbox one don't want to sub.
The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox


If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

Shadowfx1970 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

“I started to feel fine with not getting the perks, especially with the 50% XP bonus drink. I bought a bunch of Crowns during a sale so that I had a nest egg. I started to feel really good about owning rather than renting Wrothgar and Imperial City. I feel really good about owning Thieves Guild and will feel great about owning Dark Brotherhood. They are mine. They cannot be taken away due to a lapsed subscription.



From https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4h2wjz/crafting_bags/d2n8t0r

This quote snipped from an earlier post on this thread, I particularly wanted to comment on this point - please note that the poster I quoted it from is quoting it from a post on Reddit, I have left the link in place.

Actually if they shut the servers down, it won't matter one whit whether anyone has the DLC due to ESO+ or having bought it for crowns - ALL content in an MMO is leased/rented including the base game (and actually if you look at the fine print, most software is leased or on a limited license with conditions, not owned by the end user) until such time as the company running it decides it is time to stop providing services for that product, no matter how it was paid for/supplied. The person who bought DLC with crowns does not own it any more than the person who gets it via subbing. If/When ZOS shut down the servers, we'll all be in the same boat regardless of how any DLC or bonuses were supplied to us. I want them to be as successful as possible in the meantime, in order that the day that happens is a long way off. Because I really like this game, and want to be playing it for a long time to come.

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

I'm honestly starting to get really sick of people saying "I spent just as much money as the subscribers have, I should get the bag too."

That's plain BS.

The crafting bags aren't bought with money "already spent". They are going to be rented going forward with money that needs to be spent. Even if it were to be offered in the crown store, more money would need to be spent. So that argument is complete garbage.

I do get what the argument really is... That argument actually is: "Buying instead of renting used to be a good option, but now it's not as good. And now I'm mad because I already bought the stuff." I get that, but frankly, that happens. Business models change. ZOS doesn't "owe you" anything.

Just because ZOS gave players the option to "rent or buy" some (but not all) previously available sub-perk features (i.e. the DLCs, and only the DLCs) does NOT mean that they are forever obligated to continue to do so for all future sub-perk features. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Choosing to buy the DLC instead of subbing is still a viable choice, as it always has been. People who chose that model chose to give up all the other sub-only perks (exp bonus, gold bonus, research bonus, etc.) because they only cared about having the DLCs. And that's fine. You can still do that. But you can't all of a sudden start to complain because they are adding yet another sub-only perk that can't be purchased with crowns (to the list of existing sub-only perks that can't be purchased with crowns), just because this time it's something that you actually want.

You can't buy the 10% gold bonus with crowns. You can't buy the reduced research times with crowns. You don't see anyone complaining about those though, because they aren't that special. The crafting bag is no different from those other perks. It's just more useful.

I've said it before in this thread, and I'll say it again. Anyone complaining about bags being sub-only is simply upset that they finally added just one more sub-only perk that is actually useful, and now they are mad because their "I'll just buy the DLCs with crowns instead of subbing" option isn't quite as attractive as it used to be.

You want the crafting bag? Get a sub.

@Divinius and @everyoneelsewhokeepsmakingassumptionswhodontread

The issue isn't that we in Xbox one don't want to sub.
The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

Sorry but let's face it not a lot works well with an xbox, seriously though they should have a crown option whereby you can buy the bag ability for 1 month with crowns for those that unfortunately purchased an Xbox :P

@shadowfx1970
No it's just ZOS. Everyone else has figured it out. Literally all the other games have maybe had an issue and resolved them in 30-45 days

ContraTempo wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

ESO always had a problem unit now, which was inventory management. Many hours were spent a day just deciding what to deposit in the bank and what to deconstruct.

Soo... I think that having Crafting Bags for only ESO+ subscribers is totally not fair. Non-subscribers should have somekind of access to such a prevlidge.

You want to make your game more fun, less of a grind fest and less of a debate everytime what goes in the bank and what gets deconstructed?

Make Crafting Bags somehow available to ALL.

Hell, even if it's just extra bags you can purchase from the crown store or a purchasable nerfed version of the crafting bag that is for non-subscribers.
Anything will do better then this unbalanced situation here!

ZOS should remove caps from bank. That way, non-subs can improve their bank space to their liking. You would still need considerable amount of gold to hit around 400 bank slots but hey, you get to save a *** ton of real world money by not renting craft bags as ESO+.

Not sure why ZOS would want to save you lots of real world money. Kinda misses the point. I could see them allowing crown store purchases to add more space to the bank but I see no motivation for them to do it for gold.

You forget there's an item called crown bank store upgrade for 1000 crowns.... You save money if you do it slowly with gold over time but you need to spend $$ if you belong to the I want it now crowd. The motivation to do it for gold would be so that non-subs at least get some access to something similar to a craft bag. Like a 500 slot bank would be more than enough for the average-above average crafters needs. With craft bags a 200 slot bank would be more than enough. Or at least that's my POV.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

lordrichter wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Not sure why ZOS would want to save you lots of real world money. Kinda misses the point. I could see them allowing crown store purchases to add more space to the bank but I see no motivation for them to do it for gold.

I have considered the possibility that they might offer the Crafting Bag of Holding as an account upgrade in the Bethesda Store, not the Crown Store. They have some sort of adoption metric that they are looking to meet with this, and that can be expressed in US dollars. All they have to do is sell the Bag of Holding in the Bethesda Store for something that is larger than this number.

The catch is that is has to be in the Bethesda Store to eliminate the possibility that ESO Plus Crowns would be used to purchase it.

Honestly, I have to think that Bethesda could not care less if they earned the revenue monthly, or all at one time. Added bonus if the buy the bag and subscribe to ESO Plus.

So, if they expect people to subscribe to ESO Plus for 1 year, then they could sell the bag for no less than US$200 and if they want people to subscribe to ESO Plus for 2 years, they could go upwards from $400.

It would not surprise me to see this in the Bethesda Store for $500. Maybe not immediately, but eventually.

$500 dollars is crazy expensive for a virtual bag!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Man you all have a really skewed view on value....this is purely ZOS trying to create a perceived value to subscribe for those customers who are willing to subscribe or those on the fence for whatever reason. While I and others can argue either way, that's it. There is no actual cost to them to offer a bag so the value you're placing on it, is inaccurate. At most, 5k crowns would be the cost.

The value is not in the Bag of Holding, but in the ESO Plus revenue it generates. There is no material value to the bag inside the game. If all they wanted to do was provide a bag in the game to relieve crafting inventory pressure, it would not be tied to ESO Plus. There are a number of different options that they could have taken, if they had wanted a gold sink, or a Crown sink. They have taken none of those options. This means that, no matter what we might think about the bag, we have to consider the viewpoint of a revenue generator. All revenue generators have revenue targets. This target is assigned by the company, either ZOS or Bethesda, or in concert. That is the value they place on the bag.

If there is a revenue target, then they don't care how they get the revenue, only that they meet, or exceed, that target revenue. If the money comes from monthly ESO Plus subscriptions, and they are meeting their targets, then there is no reason for them to consider other alternatives. However, if they are not selling ESO Plus like expected, and they need to reach those revenue targets, selling the bag directly is an option.

Whether they put it in the Crown Store or the Bethesda Store is more a matter of how directly they want to do the sale, as well as any legal restrictions that might be in place that I am unaware of. They will want to sell this at a price that meets the revenue expectations, and that means selling it at a price that does not compete with the ESO Plus sales. Once they set a currency value on the Bag of Holding, that is what it is worth. Whatever it is, it sets the limit on the recurring ESO Plus subscription value. It cannot be too low.

The actual value of the bag to the most economical user is actually $15, or 1500 crowns. There is no reason for an economical user to pay more than that a couple of times per year, but selling the bag for that would end the reason for ESO Plus. The same can be said for a 5000 crown price. Now, the value of the bag is less than $40, or 3 months of ESO Plus. This also ends the reason for a longer term ESO Plus sub. Right now, they want longer term ESO Plus subscribers for the bag.

So, we go back to the revenue target. How long do they want the players to subscribe to ESO Plus to generate the bag revenue they want? 6 months? A year? Two years? At what price do they want a fully functional bag to replace the need for the subscription?

I have no idea what value they place on the Bag of Holding, but I hope it is more than a mere $40. The values from $200 to $500 represent a longer term player who is going to pay for that bag, and all the DLC, with ESO Plus for between 1 and 3 years. In my opinion, as long as they sell the bag with ESO Plus, they cannot sell it for too much in the store.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Man you all have a really skewed view on value....this is purely ZOS trying to create a perceived value to subscribe for those customers who are willing to subscribe or those on the fence for whatever reason. While I and others can argue either way, that's it. There is no actual cost to them to offer a bag so the value you're placing on it, is inaccurate. At most, 5k crowns would be the cost.

The value is not in the Bag of Holding, but in the ESO Plus revenue it generates. There is no material value to the bag inside the game. If all they wanted to do was provide a bag in the game to relieve crafting inventory pressure, it would not be tied to ESO Plus. There are a number of different options that they could have taken, if they had wanted a gold sink, or a Crown sink. They have taken none of those options. This means that, no matter what we might think about the bag, we have to consider the viewpoint of a revenue generator. All revenue generators have revenue targets. This target is assigned by the company, either ZOS or Bethesda, or in concert. That is the value they place on the bag.

If there is a revenue target, then they don't care how they get the revenue, only that they meet, or exceed, that target revenue. If the money comes from monthly ESO Plus subscriptions, and they are meeting their targets, then there is no reason for them to consider other alternatives. However, if they are not selling ESO Plus like expected, and they need to reach those revenue targets, selling the bag directly is an option.

Whether they put it in the Crown Store or the Bethesda Store is more a matter of how directly they want to do the sale, as well as any legal restrictions that might be in place that I am unaware of. They will want to sell this at a price that meets the revenue expectations, and that means selling it at a price that does not compete with the ESO Plus sales. Once they set a currency value on the Bag of Holding, that is what it is worth. Whatever it is, it sets the limit on the recurring ESO Plus subscription value. It cannot be too low.

The actual value of the bag to the most economical user is actually $15, or 1500 crowns. There is no reason for an economical user to pay more than that a couple of times per year, but selling the bag for that would end the reason for ESO Plus. The same can be said for a 5000 crown price. Now, the value of the bag is less than $40, or 3 months of ESO Plus. This also ends the reason for a longer term ESO Plus sub. Right now, they want longer term ESO Plus subscribers for the bag.

So, we go back to the revenue target. How long do they want the players to subscribe to ESO Plus to generate the bag revenue they want? 6 months? A year? Two years? At what price do they want a fully functional bag to replace the need for the subscription?

I have no idea what value they place on the Bag of Holding, but I hope it is more than a mere $40. The values from $200 to $500 represent a longer term player who is going to pay for that bag, and all the DLC, with ESO Plus for between 1 and 3 years. In my opinion, as long as they sell the bag with ESO Plus, they cannot sell it for too much in the store.

Did you even read what you quoted before you commented?

@NewBlacksmurf yes

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

ZOS! Gina! Rich! Everyone!

Please give EVERYONE crafting bags!

INVENTRORY MANAGEMENT IS A PROBLEM THAT MUST BE SOLVED FOR EVERYONE!!

They are giving them to everyone, they just cost ~$15 / month.

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

I disagree with this initial quote, throwing about words like "we" and "if we sub 100% we don't get crowns" is totally wrong and presumptive that you rep everyone. I've always subbed and had an issue initially where I wasn't getting crowns, was getting all DLC and bonuses but also wasn't being charged. Did take multiple emails but after 2 months it was fixed, I got crowns backdated but didn't pay for the months I hadn't been charged and since haven't had an issue. I Agee there are issues but not for 100% of people and would doubt it's close to that number.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Craft Bags. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• Were you able to find the Craft Bag?
• Did you understand when items you picked up went into the Craft Bag?
• Did you understand what items go into the Craft Bag, and which ones do not?
• Did you understand how to pull items out of the Craft Bag to trade or mail them?
• Do you understand how crafting is integrated into the Craft Bag?
• Did you notice any other players using their Craft Bags? (Specifically, did you notice the new Craft Bag model?)
• Were there any items that you feel should have been included in the Craft Bag?
• How much backpack and bank space did you free up when your items moved into your Craft Bag?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

What about the possibility of creating an auctioneer's bag? This is so people who run auctions to support their guilds will be able to store donated items separately from their own items. This bag could be sold for gold so that it wouldn't be an unfair burden on any one player and people can contribute to the purchase of the auctioneer's bag. It should be attached to the guild and not the person. It can be "loaned" to the designated auctioneer and be reassigned when a new auctioneer is taking over the auction.

They can't give craft bags to non-subscribers; someone has to keep selling mats in the guild stores, LoL

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

I disagree with this initial quote, throwing about words like "we" and "if we sub 100% we don't get crowns" is totally wrong and presumptive that you rep everyone. I've always subbed and had an issue initially where I wasn't getting crowns, was getting all DLC and bonuses but also wasn't being charged. Did take multiple emails but after 2 months it was fixed, I got crowns backdated but didn't pay for the months I hadn't been charged and since haven't had an issue. I Agee there are issues but not for 100% of people and would doubt it's close to that number.

@Parrot1986
It's not an assumption. Go look in the Xbox tech threads
OR
Listen/watch the PAX East and prior ESO live episodes where ZOS confirms its a problem, it's not resolved, in the past because it couldn't be resolved, they refunded Xbox players the crowns they were missing for over 6 months and that as of two weeks ago, it's still an issue that ZOS is working with Xbox to come up with some possible resolutions.

It's actually a fact this the larger feedback I've shared on the subject.

Parrot1986 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

I disagree with this initial quote, throwing about words like "we" and "if we sub 100% we don't get crowns" is totally wrong and presumptive that you rep everyone. I've always subbed and had an issue initially where I wasn't getting crowns, was getting all DLC and bonuses but also wasn't being charged. Did take multiple emails but after 2 months it was fixed, I got crowns backdated but didn't pay for the months I hadn't been charged and since haven't had an issue. I Agee there are issues but not for 100% of people and would doubt it's close to that number.

@Parrot1986
It's not an assumption. Go look in the Xbox tech threads
OR
Listen/watch the PAX East and prior ESO live episodes where ZOS confirms its a problem, it's not resolved, in the past because it couldn't be resolved, they refunded Xbox players the crowns they were missing for over 6 months and that as of two weeks ago, it's still an issue that ZOS is working with Xbox to come up with some possible resolutions.

It's actually a fact this the larger feedback I've shared on the subject.

Agree its still an issue and even illustrated my own experience/issue in my post not denying that.My point is you state it happens 100%and don't get crowns that's incorrect.also state sometimes lose access to DLC, I've never experienced that but accept it may happen to some. Fine calling out issues as reasons not to sub but to say its broken for everyone 100% of the time and that's why this should be purchasable is misleading.I don't mind subbing and apart from the start not had any issues since. If you've had issues fine just don't try and win debates or influence by making issues greater than they are.

@Parrot1986
100% of the time people buy ESO Plus on Xbox One:
-they dont get any ESO Plus benefits or the indicator in game
-they either never received the crowns
-have to wait 24-72 hours or longer for crowns or benefits
-have to open a ticket to get crowns or benefits after paying
-have to open multiple tickets because the tickets take too long to get addressed
-loose complete access to DLC due to a ZOS server or Xbox Live partial issue

One of those happen 100% of the time......not sure why you're even arguing about this.
-For my personal experience, regardless of using Paypal, Mastercard, VISA or a prepaid card, 100% of the time I never get my crowns at payment or after 45 - 60 days (I was told to wait this long in a prior ticket)

Its not even worth an argument because it its occurring enough for ZOS to publicly state it on ESO Live, on the forums and to the extent that they publicly announced they rewarded 100's of crowns to any account to purchased ESO Plus regardless of if it worked or not, its a larger issue than not. Large enough that locking a crafting bag feature behind it, locks out more customers due to the issue.

Are you suggesting that xbox one customers should be required to pay for a service they aren't getting fully or partially 100% of the time cause it works for you?

We shouldn't be forced to pay for a service that doesn't work that ZOS also cannot figure out how to fix 100% of the time.

perhaps its time to stop arguing and go look for yourself:

Here is them confirming the issue.... (even tho its a lie)
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3spp7t/update_on_xbox_one_crowns_issue_for_eso_plus/


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/217812/eso-plus-no-dlc-access-boost-or-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1866471/#Comment_1866471
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246730/no-eso-plus-crowns-this-month
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221874/eso-plus-not-getting-monthly-crowns-ongoing-issue/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175298/eso-plus-received-no-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174145/how-do-u-get-crown-points-when-you-buy-eso-plus-on-xbox
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666345/#Comment_2666345
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666355#Comment_2666355
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243908/no-crowns-rewarded-for-subbing#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241213/not-receiving-crowns-from-monthly-subscription#latest

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

I disagree with this initial quote, throwing about words like "we" and "if we sub 100% we don't get crowns" is totally wrong and presumptive that you rep everyone. I've always subbed and had an issue initially where I wasn't getting crowns, was getting all DLC and bonuses but also wasn't being charged. Did take multiple emails but after 2 months it was fixed, I got crowns backdated but didn't pay for the months I hadn't been charged and since haven't had an issue. I Agee there are issues but not for 100% of people and would doubt it's close to that number.

@Parrot1986
It's not an assumption. Go look in the Xbox tech threads
OR
Listen/watch the PAX East and prior ESO live episodes where ZOS confirms its a problem, it's not resolved, in the past because it couldn't be resolved, they refunded Xbox players the crowns they were missing for over 6 months and that as of two weeks ago, it's still an issue that ZOS is working with Xbox to come up with some possible resolutions.

It's actually a fact this the larger feedback I've shared on the subject.

Agree its still an issue and even illustrated my own experience/issue in my post not denying that.My point is you state it happens 100%and don't get crowns that's incorrect.also state sometimes lose access to DLC, I've never experienced that but accept it may happen to some. Fine calling out issues as reasons not to sub but to say its broken for everyone 100% of the time and that's why this should be purchasable is misleading.I don't mind subbing and apart from the start not had any issues since. If you've had issues fine just don't try and win debates or influence by making issues greater than they are.

@Parrot1986
100% of the time people buy ESO Plus on Xbox One:
-they dont get any ESO Plus benefits or the indicator in game
-they either never received the crowns
-have to wait 24-72 hours or longer for crowns or benefits
-have to open a ticket to get crowns or benefits after paying
-have to open multiple tickets because the tickets take too long to get addressed
-loose complete access to DLC due to a ZOS server or Xbox Live partial issue

One of those happen 100% of the time......not sure why you're even arguing about this.
-For my personal experience, regardless of using Paypal, Mastercard, VISA or a prepaid card, 100% of the time I never get my crowns at payment or after 45 - 60 days (I was told to wait this long in a prior ticket)

Its not even worth an argument because it its occurring enough for ZOS to publicly state it on ESO Live, on the forums and to the extent that they publicly announced they rewarded 100's of crowns to any account to purchased ESO Plus regardless of if it worked or not, its a larger issue than not. Large enough that locking a crafting bag feature behind it, locks out more customers due to the issue.

Are you suggesting that xbox one customers should be required to pay for a service they aren't getting fully or partially 100% of the time cause it works for you?

We shouldn't be forced to pay for a service that doesn't work that ZOS also cannot figure out how to fix 100% of the time.

perhaps its time to stop arguing and go look for yourself:

Here is them confirming the issue.... (even tho its a lie)
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3spp7t/update_on_xbox_one_crowns_issue_for_eso_plus/


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/217812/eso-plus-no-dlc-access-boost-or-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1866471/#Comment_1866471
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246730/no-eso-plus-crowns-this-month
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221874/eso-plus-not-getting-monthly-crowns-ongoing-issue/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175298/eso-plus-received-no-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174145/how-do-u-get-crown-points-when-you-buy-eso-plus-on-xbox
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666345/#Comment_2666345
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666355#Comment_2666355
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243908/no-crowns-rewarded-for-subbing#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241213/not-receiving-crowns-from-monthly-subscription#latest

This is exactly why my prior suggestion was to make craft bags purchasable in the crown store.
But since so many people are saying otherwise I'm suggesting that it is made an available feature to all. I really know that that is likely improbable but inventory management is a real time consumer. Hell, it's a chore that many players have to deal with!
I find it almost a pay to win feature where in order to not waste one's time one must hand in the cash.
I find it unfair that we gotta pay every month to get a very much needed feature!

Even though I think paying for this feature alone in the crown store is somewhat not fair, I still want it be somewhat obtainable with out ESO+.

And you made the best point to why this should happen. Even though I'm a ps4 player, I still know what a hassle it is to make a ticket to get something resolved is and how annoying and frustrating the wait is for it to happen.
And now because of the Limited Time Items in the crown store it's even more unfair as by the time they resolved the issue you will have missed the oppertunity to buy the item.

My point is I totally understand.

Make it available for rent via crowns. X crowns for 1 month access to craft bags. If people try funny stuff like only getting it for 1 month and loading up and not buying it again the following month;

lock stacks in bag. Ie: If you have 400 ancestor silk and you need to craft something with 100 (for example), you would need to withdraw all 400 unless you have active access via crown/eso+ rental.

This solves both the xbox problem with ESO+ and people signing up for just 1 month and abusing the system to get craft bags via both crowns and ESO+. That way you could just get 1 crown pack for 5k crowns and it would last you for 5k/x number of months. I can understand having access to bags should be regardless of whether you are sub or not, (especially since ya guys pointed out the problems with console subs), but what I cannot understand is why this bag needs to be a one off purchase.... I can agree with it being available in crown store as a rental for X crowns tho.

ContraTempo wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The issue is, if we sub 100% of the time we don't get crowns
If lucky and after we send literally20+ emails and open a ticket, we might get those crowns in 15-20 days after we paid. Then if Xbox live is partially interrupted we loose complete access to the DLC. Other games work fine so it's not Xbox live anymore, it's ZOS.
So we buy instead of sub.

It's not a business model, it's that ZOS' stuff never works as intended and they don't know how to run a business with Xbox

If you have taken over a year and still have no better way, drop the sub completely and when we buy crown packs, award the ESO plus 30 days per 1500 crowns.

That's the point and why the bag should be purchasable. There's not one person who would be OK with subbing and not getting all the perks of the sub

I apologize if I misunderstood your complaint. This is a different issue from the one I was addressing, but I 100% totally agree with you on this.

If ZOS is trying to get more subs, then first and foremost they need to get their crap together with Xbox-Live and Microsoft and make sure that subs actually work, and people get their crowns. They shouldn't be releasing a new sub-only perk in an attempt to get more subs if the whole sub system itself isn't working well on 1/3rd of their platforms. That's just stupid, and I completely agree that they need to fix this first.

I disagree with this initial quote, throwing about words like "we" and "if we sub 100% we don't get crowns" is totally wrong and presumptive that you rep everyone. I've always subbed and had an issue initially where I wasn't getting crowns, was getting all DLC and bonuses but also wasn't being charged. Did take multiple emails but after 2 months it was fixed, I got crowns backdated but didn't pay for the months I hadn't been charged and since haven't had an issue. I Agee there are issues but not for 100% of people and would doubt it's close to that number.

@Parrot1986
It's not an assumption. Go look in the Xbox tech threads
OR
Listen/watch the PAX East and prior ESO live episodes where ZOS confirms its a problem, it's not resolved, in the past because it couldn't be resolved, they refunded Xbox players the crowns they were missing for over 6 months and that as of two weeks ago, it's still an issue that ZOS is working with Xbox to come up with some possible resolutions.

It's actually a fact this the larger feedback I've shared on the subject.

Agree its still an issue and even illustrated my own experience/issue in my post not denying that.My point is you state it happens 100%and don't get crowns that's incorrect.also state sometimes lose access to DLC, I've never experienced that but accept it may happen to some. Fine calling out issues as reasons not to sub but to say its broken for everyone 100% of the time and that's why this should be purchasable is misleading.I don't mind subbing and apart from the start not had any issues since. If you've had issues fine just don't try and win debates or influence by making issues greater than they are.

@Parrot1986
100% of the time people buy ESO Plus on Xbox One:
-they dont get any ESO Plus benefits or the indicator in game
-they either never received the crowns
-have to wait 24-72 hours or longer for crowns or benefits
-have to open a ticket to get crowns or benefits after paying
-have to open multiple tickets because the tickets take too long to get addressed
-loose complete access to DLC due to a ZOS server or Xbox Live partial issue

One of those happen 100% of the time......not sure why you're even arguing about this.
-For my personal experience, regardless of using Paypal, Mastercard, VISA or a prepaid card, 100% of the time I never get my crowns at payment or after 45 - 60 days (I was told to wait this long in a prior ticket)

Its not even worth an argument because it its occurring enough for ZOS to publicly state it on ESO Live, on the forums and to the extent that they publicly announced they rewarded 100's of crowns to any account to purchased ESO Plus regardless of if it worked or not, its a larger issue than not. Large enough that locking a crafting bag feature behind it, locks out more customers due to the issue.

Are you suggesting that xbox one customers should be required to pay for a service they aren't getting fully or partially 100% of the time cause it works for you?

We shouldn't be forced to pay for a service that doesn't work that ZOS also cannot figure out how to fix 100% of the time.

perhaps its time to stop arguing and go look for yourself:

Here is them confirming the issue.... (even tho its a lie)
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3spp7t/update_on_xbox_one_crowns_issue_for_eso_plus/


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/217812/eso-plus-no-dlc-access-boost-or-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1866471/#Comment_1866471
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246730/no-eso-plus-crowns-this-month
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221874/eso-plus-not-getting-monthly-crowns-ongoing-issue/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175298/eso-plus-received-no-crowns
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174145/how-do-u-get-crown-points-when-you-buy-eso-plus-on-xbox
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666345/#Comment_2666345
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2666355#Comment_2666355
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243908/no-crowns-rewarded-for-subbing#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241213/not-receiving-crowns-from-monthly-subscription#latest

This is exactly why my prior suggestion was to make craft bags purchasable in the crown store.
But since so many people are saying otherwise I'm suggesting that it is made an available feature to all. I really know that that is likely improbable but inventory management is a real time consumer. Hell, it's a chore that many players have to deal with!
I find it almost a pay to win feature where in order to not waste one's time one must hand in the cash.
I find it unfair that we gotta pay every month to get a very much needed feature!

Even though I think paying for this feature alone in the crown store is somewhat not fair, I still want it be somewhat obtainable with out ESO+.

And you made the best point to why this should happen. Even though I'm a ps4 player, I still know what a hassle it is to make a ticket to get something resolved is and how annoying and frustrating the wait is for it to happen.
And now because of the Limited Time Items in the crown store it's even more unfair as by the time they resolved the issue you will have missed the oppertunity to buy the item.

My point is I totally understand.

Make it available for rent via crowns. X crowns for 1 month access to craft bags. If people try funny stuff like only getting it for 1 month and loading up and not buying it again the following month;

lock stacks in bag. Ie: If you have 400 ancestor silk and you need to craft something with 100 (for example), you would need to withdraw all 400 unless you have active access via crown/eso+ rental.

This solves both the xbox problem with ESO+ and people signing up for just 1 month and abusing the system to get craft bags via both crowns and ESO+. That way you could just get 1 crown pack for 5k crowns and it would last you for 5k/x number of months. I can understand having access to bags should be regardless of whether you are sub or not, (especially since ya guys pointed out the problems with console subs), but what I cannot understand is why this bag needs to be a one off purchase.... I can agree with it being available in crown store as a rental for X crowns tho.

Interesting idea. And the first non-sub proposal I have seen that makes any financial sense for ZOS. I seriously doubt any non-sub version will be included in the DB release because they will want to see what the impact is on subs, but I could imagine something like this being added in the Fall.

Maybe in the future like you said. I do not expect to see these bags in crown store anytime in the near future unless their sub-grab strategy tanks and dosent rake in the subs.