I'd be okay with an inspect feature if I had the ability to turn off my character from being inspected.

I don't see this as being a bad thing, any players that would kick others based on their builds and/or gear already kick others for the slightest perceived transgression (or often for no real reason at all), so there wouldn't be much of a difference there in my opinion. And if people want to be that picky about the people they play with, that's their right and they should feel free to do so regardless of what others have to say about it, including accusing them of being "elitist."

All things considered I can only see this as being a net good, lots of people inspecting others will see things they don't like and offer other players advice rather than kick them, which will lead people to having better builds because they're better informed by their fellow players. And still others will see what their teammates are running and change their own setup in response in order to better synergize with the team.

Generally I also think people will be better informed on what works and what doesn't when they see the builds people use and then see their performance, after seeing similar builds used by different people you can see better how effective the core build is, and there may well be some surprises with builds you wouldn't think would work that do. It would be interesting to see how many people are actually running min/max builds and what steps people take to personalize them, either using an exact copy of an online build or a variation. It would also help to ensure people are actually what they claim to be (Tank or Healer) instead of lying about their role for a shorter queue.

Some people will definitely be *** about it, but those people often accused of being "elitist" really are usually the most elite players at this game and if they don't want to carry people they shouldn't have to, and the only people with anything to complain about with this change would be people who are butthurt about not getting carried anymore. It only makes sense for people of similar capabilities to be matched together, anything else is likely to prove frustrating for everyone involved. If you're too much better than your team then you're being dragged down and it's not as fun, or if you're worse than your team then they're doing all the work and you're just left sitting there twiddling your thumbs, also not very fun. Balanced teams are important to have.

The one overriding issue with this would be the queue system, which as it stands currently you get reset at the beginning of the queue if you get kicked from a group and would have to wait all over again. That is less than ideal, and the ability to inspect could potentially make it worse. People shouldn't have to play with someone running a crappy setup if they don't want to, but even the worst players have a right to play the game and not be kicked from every group. That's why matching people of similar abilities is helpful, no one will think to kick anyone else if you're all on the same level. If a player gets kicked from a group made by the grouping tool then they should be placed at the head of the line for a new group (with a block on them being matched to the people who just kicked them).

Maybe it's just me coming from other games with the ability to inspect, but I just don't see the issue, anyone who already wants to discriminate will find a way to do so no matter what, and for everyone else this is just a useful tool to have that will make the game easier to play by knowing what your teammates are doing, being more readily able to learn from others (including enemies that may not be keen to share their builds when asked) and being able to offer targeted advice to others without needing them to spell out their entire build piecemeal in chat.

And despite not considering myself "elitist" I admit I'd potentially kick people for not having the right setup in an end-game activity, I have in other games to be sure, but I already do that in this game too, the only difference is I do it after seeing for myself people who fail repeatedly to play even remotely well and kick them after they've already wasted mine and everyone else's time, it'd be nice if we could save everyone the hassle and just have people better informed of each other's setups in advance.

When I said that other people would be *** I meant going the extra mile and kicking you for not having all gold max level armor or kicking you for running one morph over another when the rest of your build is fine, that level of discrimination is excessive and has no basis in the reality of how well people perform, which is often well enough despite having alternative builds. I run all Hybrid Tanks myself, so I'm not about to hold it against other people for not being carbon copies of super-elite builds from Sypher or whathaveyou.

Asherons_Call wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Well, that didn't take long to descend into Elites vs Casuals.

Good job all!

That's exactly what this subject is though. Inspection of other players has two negative functions - 1. For arrogant people to show off and 2. To evaluate if someone is "worthy" of joining your elite guild or group

People can set any requirements for guild they want though, whether its "only DC", "only wood elves" or "only 501+ cps".

@Callous2208 haha don't worry, it's simply too tempting not to throw it around a bit, it's so delicious!
..although that only works for pve ....I play on PC/EU and in pvp we have a famous Pug Commander, he's called BIG BOSS THE DARK PHOENIX and wherever he pvp, he picks up every single pug who "LFG" in zonechat. I don't think anyone can beat him

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To stay a bit on topic..

I would love for every apprentice I get to be able to view my attributes, skills, champion points destribution, gear - because I am a bit tired of explaining everything over and over. It takes time, and I sometimes forget stuff that are good to advise. It would be easier if they could pinpoint something specific and ask for an explenation of that.

That said, I don't want everybody to view my build and gear, only those that ask me. The thought of being viewed by everyone kinda creeps me out..
..honestly it it werent optional, then it would be just as intrusive as that addon that shows what loot your group members get.

Ideally I wouldn't mind it, but reality it might be a problem because people would kick people out of groups with just average stats. I have nothing to hide, but grouping can be difficult. Neverwinter you can inspect people and I didn't have much problems grouping even though my stats were above average though not super elite either.

Hey, your weapon is not legendary, get out of this group. (kick)

Sleep wrote: »

Hey, your weapon is not legendary, get out of this group. (kick)

.it would actually surprise me, if it happened to often, because it matters so little.

I can imagine people getting kicked for not wearing any set gear, or running around with bow and vigor while joining group as a healer, tank with no taunt, DD with gear focussed on sustainablity, healer with Lingering Ritual slotted.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Sleep wrote: »

Hey, your weapon is not legendary, get out of this group. (kick)

.it would actually surprise me, if it happened to often, because it matters so little.

Honestly, for the kinds of people who actually do kick people for failing "gear checks" on inspection... no, that's about right. The other things you mentioned would be likely to sail over their heads at the time, but a purple weapon? That's something they can understand, even if it confuses and terrifies them.

dimensional wrote: »

I'd be okay with an inspect feature if I had the ability to turn off my character from being inspected.

The problem with this is that it opens it up to "Submit for inspection" requirements by guilds and groups.

I am fine keeping it as is. If you're really all into someone else's get-up, just ask them.

This is a "play as you want" game, not a "play as other want you to" game, so I'm not sure why anyone would want an inspect tool, but I'm sure there will never be one.
As an alternative, if you really need to know, the feature "ask nicely" is always available.

I personally don't care what other people are wearing as long as we are getting through the dungeon at a reasonable speed. I am not the type to kick someone from a group. I will just leave myself if the group isn't working out. That said, I don't want any kind of inspect feature. There is a massive list of other things I would prefer that they be working on instead.

"Just ask them", "ask nicely" - shows up in so many posts...
What about people who doesn't know English, or know only a little? This is a megaserver (*PC EU I mean), in fact with people from so many different countries. Knowing English isn't mandatory to play the game, but knowing it well is mandatory if you want to ask others for their gears and understand correctly what they describe.
I bet many people don't ask or reply because they simply do not understand other languages .
English isn't also my native, and that's also a reason I usually do not ask random players for more than basics. Sometimes they write something and I just don't get it . I won't ask again or ask for special treatment/longer explanations since I know nobody have time for this.

Now, inspecting like in swtor allows me to see the build before I ask for anything.
If I'm allowed to see their build, and in swtor we have enough time to read everything until the player stays in line of sight, no need to be hurry, I can ask specific questions based on what I saw and thought through. It only saves time, a lot of my time and others.

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I have many friends in both swtor and eso, but I never saw any relation between features like inspection and relations with my friends. Maybe because I'm an elder and too old to focus on insignificant things .

If you have EverQuest in mind, then no, I didn't play it. I just see it was this command?

/inspect If allowed (toggle in options window) shows you a simple view of your targets worn items. Same as right-clicking on someone if not turned off (/autoinspect ON/OFF)

I was inspected many times in swtor, when my friends asked me why I put some mods to this and not that place and to explain to tchem (very rarely though). I see nothing wrong in this. It's a case of discussion and I could learn a lot this way.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

Always this same comment. This makes me want to bang my head on the desk every time. It is so utterly blind.

- 'Elitists' don't group with noobs, they group with other Elitists.
- 'Elitists' don't need to inspect you to know that you are a noob.
- You cannot convince an 'Elitist' that you are experienced/geared if you are not. Even without the Group dps window, it is painfully obvious when someone is a noob. E,g, Armour: you wear heavy armour and use a bow and call yourself heals or dps or tank = solo player. I do 800k damage to a boss which has 1m Health. the other 3 people in the group do 200k. 1 is a tank, 1 is a heal, 1 is, more than likely, a noob.

I.e., You are hiding NOTHING by avoiding this feature.

But

It would be an awesome way to show off builds, provide Epeen and generally be nosey. Popular in many games and gives newbies an idea of what Vets are using for gear. No secrecy in this since the Youtubers Broadcast every semi-viable build for all and sundry anyway.