Should we keep the stun for Incapacitating Strike?

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

This is in reference to the Dark Brotherhood change where it stuns 100% of the time.

This poll is intended for those who are planning to actually use the move. Not for those that want to whine about it.

If you're like me, and you don't like the stun, what are some viable but not overpowered alternatives?

Feedback is welcomed.

dday3six · May 2016

No

My selfish wish would be to have it be a copy of Soul Harvest, but with Disease damage.

mr_wazzabi · May 2016

Yes

dday3six wrote: »

My selfish wish would be to have it be a copy of Soul Harvest, but with Disease damage.

I second this. Scale off might and give more ultimate?

Yes please!

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

dday3six wrote: »

My selfish wish would be to have it be a copy of Soul Harvest, but with Disease damage.

Same here.

RAGUNAnoOne · May 2016

No

Seems a bit too good for such a cheap ultimate especially since a siphon build has the fastest ult regen of any class. the debuffs are good enough and now with disease damage gank builds are going to get way too strong especially in high lag environments were CC can mess up. perhaps this can be the magic morph and add major leach or something.

Savage_Audacity · May 2016

No

The stun is close to useless in PVE so get rid of it and add something else imo. An alternative could be to have incapacitating strike deal increased damage in comparison to soul harvest paired with increasing the duration of the 20% empower from 6 seconds to (maybe) 15-20 seconds.

GrumpyDuckling · May 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Seems a bit too good for such a cheap ultimate especially since a siphon build has the fastest ult regen of any class. the debuffs are good enough and now with disease damage gank builds are going to get way too strong especially in high lag environments were CC can mess up. perhaps this can be the magic morph and add major leach or something.

I'm curious why siphon builds have the fastest ult regen. I'm always looking to improve ult regen. Is it because of the potion drinking passive?

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2016

Yes

I like the idea of being able to catch my opponent off guard with a quick animation cancel Incap Strike.... however even if the stun was removed i would just do the same with Dawnbreaker of Smiting. I will probably end up using Dawnbreaker of Smiting anyways.

Consider the fact so many people play Wood Elf's, they will have 10%+ damage mitigation against disease damage... so Dawnbreaker is gonna be what i use.

Ffastyl · May 2016

Yes

I picked Incapacitating Strike because the stun can get me out of a jam.

Silver_Strider · May 2016

Yes

I'm alright with keeping the stun.

The stun aspect of Incapacitating Strikes was always a lackluster thing because it had that crappy "must have less health" to get the stun. It had no viable usage except in desperate situations and even then you'd find that the stun wouldn't help as much because the target was either CC immune or you would die almost as soon as they got up from it because of how low your health already has.

Edziu · May 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Seems a bit too good for such a cheap ultimate especially since a siphon build has the fastest ult regen of any class. the debuffs are good enough and now with disease damage gank builds are going to get way too strong especially in high lag environments were CC can mess up. perhaps this can be the magic morph and add major leach or something.

I'm curious why siphon builds have the fastest ult regen. I'm always looking to improve ult regen. Is it because of the potion drinking passive?

not at all, you have cooldown with pots, just only magica builds nb have this fast ult regen because sap essence and swallow soul spam skill is main dps skill on magica nb, this generate ulti faster, stam builds only what have usefull from siphoning skills are siphoning attacks what is so rarely to see in pvp

RAGUNAnoOne · May 2016

No

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Seems a bit too good for such a cheap ultimate especially since a siphon build has the fastest ult regen of any class. the debuffs are good enough and now with disease damage gank builds are going to get way too strong especially in high lag environments were CC can mess up. perhaps this can be the magic morph and add major leach or something.

I'm curious why siphon builds have the fastest ult regen. I'm always looking to improve ult regen. Is it because of the potion drinking passive?

@GrumpyDuckling there is a Passive that lets you gain 2 ult by using a siphon skill while gaining ultimate naturally every 4 seconds. for sap builds that is a lot.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

No

Subjective. As primarily a NB.
This is an ultimate...so part of me says this isnt a normal skill.
The other part of me says...Why do I need stuns as a DD other than a swift victory without reply.
Than I ponder being a NB tank needed a stun to reduce incoming damage.

Tough call

I just wish all skills were tagged to suit roles and built with specific roles in mind.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

Yes

Well most people are going to fear before using ult for a 100% hit.

Doesn't make too much of a difference, if they remove it they need to add something else though, like a strongish dot, strong snare or something.

mtwiggz · May 2016

Yes

In a PvP atmosphere the stun is negligible most of the time. As a NB your opponent is either dead from the Incap Strike or already CC immune due to your rotation, so the stun doesn't really play a role. Not to mention most decent players will block the Incap Strike which negates the stun anyways.

In PvE the stun is quite pointless. As any dungeon boss is immune to stuns. Most of the time you wouldn't be using Incap Strike, or any ultimate, on trash mobs.

Keep the stun or not, doesn't really matter in most situations except for fighting baddies. Just happy to see some stamina skills actually being rebalanced... finally.

Dyride · May 2016

Yes

Keep the stun, just increase the Ult cost in line with other Ultimates. Death Stroke should be 75 Ultimate.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

Yes

Dyride wrote: »

Keep the stun, just increase the Ult cost in line with other Ultimates. Death Stroke should be 75 Ultimate.

You say that but people are forgetting it's single target.

The fact it's single target makes such a huge difference.

The templars ultimate is only 75 ult and thats an aoe with a dot attached. The morph that gives 66% initial dmg would do nearly the same dmg as an incap strike. Then you add the first dot tick which happens the same time as initial dmg.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

Dyride wrote: »

Keep the stun, just increase the Ult cost in line with other Ultimates. Death Stroke should be 75 Ultimate.

Why would I spend that much on that single target ultimate when Dawnbreaker hits multiple targets, and does way more damage overall. Increasing the cost would kill the move.

Anti_Virus · May 2016

Yes

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Snare, DoT, restore stamina. I despise that stun. It's a waste of a CC IMO.

Anti_Virus · May 2016

Yes

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Snare, DoT, restore stamina. I despise that stun. It's a waste of a CC IMO.

But the stun would allow me to not run fear which saves magicka for more cloaking.
since it's 50 ult I literally weave it in my combos and no one recognizes fast enough to dodge it. Don't get me wrong though fear is great but it has a high magic cost.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Snare, DoT, restore stamina. I despise that stun. It's a waste of a CC IMO.

But the stun would allow me to not run fear which saves magicka for more cloaking.
since it's 50 ult I literally weave it in my combos and no one recognizes fast enough to dodge it. Don't get me wrong though fear is great but it has a high magic cost.

But fear is what causes minor maim. Very important for PvP.

Anti_Virus · May 2016

Yes

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Snare, DoT, restore stamina. I despise that stun. It's a waste of a CC IMO.

But the stun would allow me to not run fear which saves magicka for more cloaking.
since it's 50 ult I literally weave it in my combos and no one recognizes fast enough to dodge it. Don't get me wrong though fear is great but it has a high magic cost.

But fear is what causes minor maim. Very important for PvP.

Oh I forgot about that you're right. But then again if you build for super high burst dmg(which most NBs do) then you should kill your opponet before
they can retaliate. Fear would be a safety net incase you don't instagab your opponent.

LForce · May 2016

No

Stam builds lacks on ultimate scaling out of mighty and I don't get why.

As Stamblade using soul harvest is the only way to not fall behind the damage output from a magic build.

I like the change on incapacitating strikes to scale of mighty but come on it does feel like they are offering you cake but you can have only half.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

yes keep the stun It's what makes the morph unique. If you remove the stun what would you replace?

Snare, DoT, restore stamina. I despise that stun. It's a waste of a CC IMO.

But the stun would allow me to not run fear which saves magicka for more cloaking.
since it's 50 ult I literally weave it in my combos and no one recognizes fast enough to dodge it. Don't get me wrong though fear is great but it has a high magic cost.

But fear is what causes minor maim. Very important for PvP.

Oh I forgot about that you're right. But then again if you build for super high burst dmg(which most NBs do) then you should kill your opponet before
they can retaliate. Fear would be a safety net incase you don't instagab your opponent.

That depends on your opponent though. If your victim is your typical player then yeah it would be effective, but then again you could do any move from stealth and it would stun them either way; making the CC useless.

lolo_01b16_ESO · May 2016

No

95% of the time when I use my nb ulti people are either feared or cc immune, so the stun will be wasted. And I like some of the suggestions in this thread like increasing the duration of the damage buff to make it better in pve or adding the same passive effect as soul harvest has to get more ulti from it.

Takes-No-Prisoner · May 2016

Yes

I'm kind of a mixed bag towards it.

There are situations where I can't get back into stealth. I can use this stun as a Get Off Me! Move that isn't Mass Hysteria.

Buuuuuuuuuuut, I wouldn't mind replacing it with something else. As Mass Hysteria would still be better. But question is, what could it be? Bleed? a DoT? a Root? Having a in class single target root might be interesting.

EsoRecon · May 2016

No

Idea: You go invisible when you hit someone with incap.

But honestly im ok with the stun.

Savage_Audacity · May 2016

No

Well the ability is called incapacitating strike and the stun isnt applied most of the time due to CC immunity and boss immunity anyways so why not replace the stun effect with "reduce the damage the target deals by 30% for 6 seconds"

Savage_Audacity · May 2016

No

or maybe just increase the duration of the 20% increased damage done from 6 seconds to 20+ seconds.

Strider_Roshin · May 2016

No

A lot of great suggestions listed in this thread. I hope @Wrobel checks it out.

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