How to inspect other players?

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

Hm... It would appear that a certain someone is in this thread provoking people, and arguing yet again... I won't say any names, nor participate in it however. Let's try to focus on the topic at hand guys, and stay focused.

ANYWAY! Onto the topic at hand, I think that inspecting players is a lean in both the bad and good direction.

A lean in the bad direction, because of what's already been said here. Plus, I think it'll further cause divides within the ESO community between "casuals" and "elites". And I'm pretty sure that no one wants to be treated differently, just because they're not meeting someone else's standards, and running a "cookie-cutter build".

A lean in the good direction, because it may provide a sense of comfort to those who were unsure of those in their group's performance about the content approaching. Granted, you could still have tons of champion points and the "best-in-slot gear", and still have horrible habits -- but to some it's all about first impressions that matter and are lasting impressions. And it'd be a person's first impression of being "elite", that would bring comfort to those who're unsure of their group's capabilities.

So all and all, it's a catch-22. . .

I do however feel as though it should be optional as to whether or not you want to show your: Attributes, champion points, gear, etc. As this would provide the best of both worlds, all while providing overall privacy to those who want it.

altemriel · May 2016

Gargath wrote: »

Is it possible to inspect other's gears and attributes in this game, like it is easily done by few clicks in SWTOR for example?
Imo it would be great to see other players' builds to compare with ours.
Especially in pvp, where it's hard for newbies to have a decent build to stand against experienced pvpers.

not possible in eso. I am not 100 % sure about that, but I think there is a console command to share my build, but that depends on the player you want to inspect if they share it with you

Polysemy · May 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

Last thing we need is toxic casuals giving good players a bad name

And with that attitude that is why a lot of people don't like ESO and MMOs in general because they don't want to play with people like you who think they are better then everyone else when they are not.

Never said I was better then anyone just tired of the hate that the people who play this game less then others dish out becuase usually from what ive seen it comes more from the people who spend less time in game

"And with that attitude" Right.. because I came in here to talk down about a demographic in a game I play, yeah that was me...

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

I see no need for that.
The only important thing is: if your gear works, keep, if it does not, strip and get another.
Nothing else matters.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Taisynn wrote: »

I hope this is NEVER an option. In TERA, people would disregard you because of your gear and kick you from groups. It was ridiculous, especially when queue times could go up to a few hours. The Elitists ruin options like this. Hell, it's why TERA gave us the option to turn it off so nobody could inspect you if you didn't want them to.

How exactly did the elitest ruin the option? Im not sure i follow the logic?

If there were enough nonelitest trying to use the group finder you wouldnt have to wait as long and could get in most group no matter how bad your equipment. So the problem is really that enough casuals are not doing dungeons.

Or are you saying that once people get a gear score that even casuals kick you because of low gear scores and now you cant do dungeons without a long wait? If so that still aint a problem with elitest. But with the casual masses just wanting one of those evil elitest to carry them though the dungeon.

Volkodav · May 2016

lathbury wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

yeah it would suck if we were able to know someone was a bad player before wasting an hour to get a group and wipe repeatedly just to find out our tank is essentially another dps with bad numbers. much better the way it is where everyone gets to waste there game time.

How can a player get better if they arent allowed to learn with people who they can play along side?
Were you always such a great player? How did you learn to PvP?

JKorr · May 2016

Saumur11689 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

yeah it would suck if we were able to know someone was a bad player before wasting an hour to get a group and wipe repeatedly just to find out our tank is essentially another dps with bad numbers. much better the way it is where everyone gets to waste there game time.

Because good gear = good player...sigh....people like you are why we should never have this. Seeing cp will be bad enough.

you have clearly never had a tank in full light armour using a bow or a dd or healer using sword and board. while good gear doesnt always = good player (I never said that) bad gear never = good player

people like me? you dont know the first thing about me.

This guy is right whether you like it or not.
If you are trying to run a difficult dungeons you could save yourself a lot of time by seeing the equipment of players.

But probably everyone who disagree likes to run ICP with a "tank" wearing no set items and/or bad dps ones.

I have nothing against casual players, but you see things only in one way; you think good players are bad cause they don't wanna play with casuals, what you don't seem to understand is that casuals are also rude wasting time trying to do things they have not skill to do.

Awesome. It must really rock to be born with super godlike elite skills. I mean, going by your statement, you've never been a new player who had to learn how to do something. After all, players who don't measure up to your standard of "good" are rude for daring to attempt to play when they don't have the skills. Of course, it *is* hard to get the skills and knowledge if they don't play, but hey, LEET RULZ! How dare those rude casuals attempt to play the game! Only the uber leet super skilled players should be allowed to play, right?

One question; if doing flawless perfect runs of a delve/dungeon are so important to you, why on earth would you be grouping with anyone who isn't in your guild who meets your standards? If you are grouping with others who have the same standards as you, you'll never run into the rude casuals who don't. I'm playing a game; no one is paying me to play. While I'm enjoying playing the game, I'm not wasting time. Wiping out at a boss or in a dungeon is part of the game; if I'm having fun, it isn't a waste of time. One of my guilds attempted a delve; new players and vets. We wiped a few times, people learned more about how to play and what to do, we laughed at ourselves more than a little, and finished the evening by finally making it through. Not a waste of time at all, imo.

Zyle · May 2016

How to inspect other players (ESO style): run VWGT

We'll call it 'Trial by Kena'

Disclaimer: No time wasted refund

lathbury · May 2016

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greylox wrote: »

Obviously I didn't mean atrocious gear. Leave casuals to pugs and elites to guild groups or people you know.

In the end of the day a moron in good gear is worse than someone who knows what they're doing in middling gear.

The bolded part is why some people are for an inspect option I agree with your last point though i would rather have a good player in intermediate gear then a bad one in BIS

Callous2208 · May 2016

If you don't know, look up builds online or ask politely. If you don't want inexperienced teammates, don't pug. If you still desire inspection after all this...you're the one who's bad and most likely looking for a carry.

waterfairy · May 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Is it possible to inspect other's gears and attributes in this game, like it is easily done by few clicks in SWTOR for example?
Imo it would be great to see other players' builds to compare with ours.
Especially in pvp, where it's hard for newbies to have a decent build to stand against experienced pvpers.

ASK THEM. An inspect option has been repeatedly rejected by the majority of the community every time the topic's been brought up. But you can always ask a player for some tips if you think they're doing well.

I wouldn't mind but I don't pug and I don't care if someone wants to stalk my character...they can bask in all my badass glory all they want

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · May 2016

I do not like this option, unless you can toggle your own check off.
I do not like people nosing around on my character.
You got a character yourself, annoy that one.

Nestor · May 2016

You know, the really good players can wear sub-optimal gear, because then it all comes down to player skill rather than gear choices to move through the content.

Just because someone can follow a FOTM build guide does not mean they are any good at the game.

Universe · May 2016

It's not possible to inspect other players.
Back in August 2014, I opened a poll and 76% of players thought that inspect option should not be introduced:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/127704/would-you-like-to-see-ingame-inspect-option-introduced/p1

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

Nestor wrote: »

You know, the really good players can wear sub-optimal gear, because then it all comes down to player skill rather than gear choices to move through the content.

Just because someone can follow a FOTM build guide does not mean they are any good at the game.

Very true statement . I've seen people do well on starter toons in PvP zones just because they know how to work the skills and optimize their resource management .

Saumur11689 · May 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Saumur11689 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

greylox wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

yeah it would suck if we were able to know someone was a bad player before wasting an hour to get a group and wipe repeatedly just to find out our tank is essentially another dps with bad numbers. much better the way it is where everyone gets to waste there game time.

Because good gear = good player...sigh....people like you are why we should never have this. Seeing cp will be bad enough.

you have clearly never had a tank in full light armour using a bow or a dd or healer using sword and board. while good gear doesnt always = good player (I never said that) bad gear never = good player

people like me? you dont know the first thing about me.

This guy is right whether you like it or not.
If you are trying to run a difficult dungeons you could save yourself a lot of time by seeing the equipment of players.

But probably everyone who disagree likes to run ICP with a "tank" wearing no set items and/or bad dps ones.

I have nothing against casual players, but you see things only in one way; you think good players are bad cause they don't wanna play with casuals, what you don't seem to understand is that casuals are also rude wasting time trying to do things they have not skill to do.

Awesome. It must really rock to be born with super godlike elite skills. I mean, going by your statement, you've never been a new player who had to learn how to do something. After all, players who don't measure up to your standard of "good" are rude for daring to attempt to play when they don't have the skills. Of course, it *is* hard to get the skills and knowledge if they don't play, but hey, LEET RULZ! How dare those rude casuals attempt to play the game! Only the uber leet super skilled players should be allowed to play, right?

One question; if doing flawless perfect runs of a delve/dungeon are so important to you, why on earth would you be grouping with anyone who isn't in your guild who meets your standards? If you are grouping with others who have the same standards as you, you'll never run into the rude casuals who don't. I'm playing a game; no one is paying me to play. While I'm enjoying playing the game, I'm not wasting time. Wiping out at a boss or in a dungeon is part of the game; if I'm having fun, it isn't a waste of time. One of my guilds attempted a delve; new players and vets. We wiped a few times, people learned more about how to play and what to do, we laughed at ourselves more than a little, and finished the evening by finally making it through. Not a waste of time at all, imo.

If you cared to read, I even said I did not know what to wear or how to do dungeons, however people never kicked me out of group cause I was willing to learn.

A lot of people who don't know how to play, especially on consoles, won't talk and won't be interested in getting advices on how to get better, thus wasting other people time.

What's the problem if I can check other people gear? I will group with whom I want and then the other people will group with whom they want as well, it's a win/win situation. Why then do people have to rage and say "don't put this function, it's discrimination" and other b/s like that? You want to make group wipe and disband most of the time? What's the point?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2016

Nestor wrote: »

You know, the really good players can wear sub-optimal gear, because then it all comes down to player skill rather than gear choices to move through the content.

Just because someone can follow a FOTM build guide does not mean they are any good at the game.

You heard it here first. Nestor would also like a skill check option.

Gargath · May 2016

Tbh so negative feedback is a huge surprise to me. This feature is such a nice additional content to swtor I just can't imagine this game without it. Nobody there actually act like many of you describe above. No such clear division for elitists vs casuals. In any guild I was playing I never witnessed anyone telling that he doesn't like when others "nosing around his character". That's just so weird in mmo, to focus so much on own privacy and not sharing with others about what you have achieved in game. This is something that usually kind people like to share and talk about in group.

Sure I can ask/bother others about their builds, so they link me their gears etc. But it will take their precious time, and I'm sure it's precious, because it's also precious for me. So describing builds this way just takes time and it's wasting time. Inspecting is much better and faster. And I'd be lucky if I get a reply. Especially If I find a great player but an elitist. That's a problem in pvp. Some people are closed and don't want to communicate, no matter how kindly they are asked. You can ask forever for a group and nobody will answer, even if you ask a group which you see near gathering for a keep, or even a group you already fight together for a keep. They won't allow a random to be part of their group, even if I already support them. I had such situation recently when was trying to get some pvp experience on vet7 and the group was all vet16. If I had a chance to see their builds, because they were all very good, I could take some experience from that meeting, but by just seeing them fighting without knowing gears and abilities I can't learn anything. Especially if people are ignoring you in chat.

It seems mmo creators are taking examples from their competition, and good ideas should be replicated, so I hope this one will be implemented to eso some day.

dday3six · May 2016

No matter how skilled a player is bad gear will put a cap on their output. The truth is that both skill and gear matter. It's not elitist to what to know if a player's gear makes at least a modicum of sense for the build they're claiming to aim for.

Preyfar · May 2016

daemonios wrote: »

ASK THEM. An inspect option has been repeatedly rejected by the majority of the community every time the topic's been brought up. But you can always ask a player for some tips if you think they're doing well.

I don't want an inspect option, because when I PVP gear always seems to end up an argument. "Why are you using divines? YOU NEED IMPEN!" But that's not working for me on this builds, and besides, you don't know my CP allocation, my play style. A lot of people end up quick to judge.

The only way I'd consider it if there was an option that "X wants to view your gear." and you have to agree to show the.

Nestor · May 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

You heard it here first. Nestor would also like a skill check option.

@vyndral13preub18_ESO

Just a Background Check, Credit Report, Bank Statements, Interviews with Friends, Neighbors and Pets, Cell Phone Bills and the password to their Facebook and Social Media accounts. I also want a full set of benchmarks on their gaming system and pictures of their gaming room. If they don't have an awesome gaming room, then what good are they?

WalkingLegacy · May 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

Because they're not kicking you already without this tool. Pretty soon they'll be kicking you unless you have 501 champion points. It will always be something.

And obviously this "you" isn't targeted at you TX1200.

starkerealm · May 2016

Nestor wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

You heard it here first. Nestor would also like a skill check option.

Just a Background Check, Credit Report, Bank Statements, Interviews with Friends, Neighbors and Pets, Cell Phone Bills and the password to their Facebook and Social Media accounts.

Also one of their kidneys. You left that out.

starkerealm · May 2016

Gargath wrote: »

Tbh so negative feedback is a huge surprise to me. This feature is such a nice additional content to swtor I just can't imagine this game without it. Nobody there actually act like many of you describe above.

I have seen it used in TSW as toxic behavior. Usually by players who don't know what they're doing, demanding excessive gear loadouts. And, yeah, that community is (or was) pretty toxic. I still remember seeing someone absolutely flip out in the first zone's chat, because a newbie wasn't playing using an endgame cookie cutter build.

ToRelax · May 2016

Gargath wrote: »

Tbh so negative feedback is a huge surprise to me. This feature is such a nice additional content to swtor I just can't imagine this game without it. Nobody there actually act like many of you describe above. No such clear division for elitists vs casuals. In any guild I was playing I never witnessed anyone telling that he doesn't like when others "nosing around his character". That's just so weird in mmo, to focus so much on own privacy and not sharing with others about what you have achieved in game. This is something that usually kind people like to share and talk about in group.

Sure I can ask/bother others about their builds, so they link me their gears etc. But it will take their precious time, and I'm sure it's precious, because it's also precious for me. So describing builds this way just takes time and it's wasting time. Inspecting is much better and faster. And I'd be lucky if I get a reply. Especially If I find a great player but an elitist. That's a problem in pvp. Some people are closed and don't want to communicate, no matter how kindly they are asked. You can ask forever for a group and nobody will answer, even if you ask a group which you see near gathering for a keep, or even a group you already fight together for a keep. They won't allow a random to be part of their group, even if I already support them. I had such situation recently when was trying to get some pvp experience on vet7 and the group was all vet16. If I had a chance to see their builds, because they were all very good, I could take some experience from that meeting, but by just seeing them fighting without knowing gears and abilities I can't learn anything. Especially if people are ignoring you in chat.

It seems mmo creators are taking examples from their competition, and good ideas should be replicated, so I hope this one will be implemented to eso some day.

If someone doesn't want to share their gear, achievements, CP allocation or whatever, then why on earth do you want to "forcibly" inspect them? And when it comes to asking players, yes, not everyone will give you an answer and certainly not instantly. But if you're nice you can be sure that most good players will take a moment to help you out when they have it. You can't expect a player who is in a fight with his guild group to take that time off, but that doesn't mean you can never ask them.

idk · May 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

Always a fabulous answer.

It SWTOR I had started inspecting gear to see how players were gearing. Found a healer in the top tier gear that maybe 5% of the server had at the time.

After a bit I started talking with him and learned much from the conversations. Funny how non-elitist the elite players really are. Lol

It's how we get better. Improve and get more out if the game.

Or we can bury our heads in the sand and enjoy that view.

wayfarerx · May 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having optimal gear.

Always a fabulous answer.

It SWTOR I had started inspecting gear to see how players were gearing. Found a healer in the top tier gear that maybe 5% of the server had at the time.

After a bit I started talking with him and learned much from the conversations. Funny how non-elitist the elite players really are. Lol

It's how we get better. Improve and get more out if the game.

Or we can bury our heads in the sand and enjoy that view.

As has been stated many times before, even in this thread, why not just ask?

waterfairy · May 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

As has been stated many times before, even in this thread, why not just ask?

People aren't always nice enough to answer. I asked several people over the course of the game about their gear because I like the looks and didn't recognize the style yet only a couple actually answered me.

While I'm at it, can someone tell me what style has the 2 hand scythe? That was something I asked about and never got a reply.

Deadfinger6 · May 2016

I'm pretty sure you can speak to people nowadays..

SirAndy · May 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not an Option and hopefully never will be, last thing we need are elitist's kicking people out of groups for not having (what they think is) optimal gear.

Fixed it for 'ya ...

PS: I always find it amusing when someone comes along and after a quick 3 line zone chat claims that he knows my character better than i do. Riiiight ...