Official Feedback Thread for Craft Bags

Vangy · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

DMBCML · May 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Craft Bags. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:
Were you able to find the Craft Bag?
Yep. Easy.

Did you understand when items you picked up went into the Craft Bag?
Yep.

Did you understand what items go into the Craft Bag, and which ones do not?
Yep.

Did you understand how to pull items out of the Craft Bag to trade or mail them?
Yep.

Do you understand how crafting is integrated into the Craft Bag?
Yep.

Did you notice any other players using their Craft Bags? (Specifically, did you notice the new Craft Bag model?)
No one to look at.

Were there any items that you feel should have been included in the Craft Bag?
Stolen items would be good in there

How much backpack and bank space did you free up when your items moved into your Craft Bag?
After I emptied guild banks, about 900 slots.

Do you have any other general feedback?
Others have been reporting a "disappearing items" bug. I loaded each of my characters, opened their bags, and checked for the items on each one. Every time everything was there as it should be. I did not create or delete any character. I did not use any template characters.

This is totally awesome!

ContraTempo · May 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

1. I have invested in a 240 slot bank that I no longer need.
2. I have invested in individual bag space that I no longer need.

What I do with my inventory space, post craft bag/bank:

Keep a good supply of Tri-food, drink, and pots of various levels (to match my toons) in the bank
Keep a supply of poisons of various levels in the bank
Keep extra lock picks and various soul gems in the bank
My automatic banking addon keeps the right number of food, drink, pots, poisons, gems, and lock picks in each character's inventory just by visiting the bank.
Collect every piece of armor and weapons I can grab, worthless or not. Put it all in the bank and let my lower level toons decon it all for the crafting experience.
Keep my old rings and armor sets as hand-me-downs for my lower level characters. Esp any equipment that is bound since I can't sell that for a meaningful price anyway.

Need? No. But I can and do use it. And what all that space means is much less frequent trips back to the bank. But you are right that if I had a crafting bag to start I would never have paid a crown for any additional space, and probably not much gold either.

Tevalaur · May 2016

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ContraTempo · May 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

Tevalaur wrote: »

1. I have invested in a 240 slot bank that I no longer need.
2. I have invested in individual bag space that I no longer need.

I wrote no such thing, please don't misquote me with someone else's words! Thanks.

Oops, sorry, I was trying to trim it a bit and got the wrong name. I'll edit.

NTclaymore · May 2016

I agrre with thats allready been said. for guildbank purposes we need an option to turn the craftbag off.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

Kanar wrote: »

Here's my feedback on the crafting bag: it's a mistake to make it ESO plus only. If it goes live like this, here is what I will do:
1. Sign up for ESO plus ($15 but I will get 1.5k crowns which I would have bought anyway)
2. Put my huge collection of mats in the craft bag
3. Cancel ESO plus after one month
4. Forever have access to craft bag mats, and only have to manage some of the rare new mats I find.

On the other hand, if the bag was for sale in the crown store I'd easily pay 3k crowns or more.

3k would be dirt cheap when people spend close to that on mount skins. Those should be more in the 10k range.

Have they explained what would happen if people end their ESO+? I see myself no longer buying DLC outright and just buying one month of ESO+ once each quarter to play DLC.

Vangy · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

Sorry friend. You can kick and thrash about all you want, but I'll be extremely surprised if craft bags come out in crown store. At least not in the near future. Prolly when ZOS has milked enough subscriptions they might wanna make more $$ so it may possibly come out. What im offering is alternatives for you guys because craft bags in crown store is likely not going to be a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to come out in the ESO store. It saves me the cost of a sub for a simple one off payment. But I don't think its going to happen. Sometimes in life you just gotta suck it up I guess.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

Sorry friend. You can kick and thrash about all you want, but I'll be extremely surprised if craft bags come out in crown store. At least not in the near future. Prolly when ZOS has milked enough subscriptions they might wanna make more $$ so it may possibly come out. What im offering is alternatives for you guys because craft bags in crown store is likely not going to be a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to come out in the ESO store. It saves me the cost of a sub for a simple one off payment. But I don't think its going to happen. Sometimes in life you just gotta suck it up I guess.

That's the difference between you and I.
I don't suck anything up.

It's a game and entertainment. If I don't like it, I go spend my money and time elsewhere. When a company decides to try and segregate paying customers to try and force something....I walk. It's not likely to influence me to buy.

We will see either way if something is considered but the bags, this silly VR to cp stuff and Templar changes.
Maybe times time to peace out

Vangy · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

Sorry friend. You can kick and thrash about all you want, but I'll be extremely surprised if craft bags come out in crown store. At least not in the near future. Prolly when ZOS has milked enough subscriptions they might wanna make more $$ so it may possibly come out. What im offering is alternatives for you guys because craft bags in crown store is likely not going to be a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to come out in the ESO store. It saves me the cost of a sub for a simple one off payment. But I don't think its going to happen. Sometimes in life you just gotta suck it up I guess.

That's the difference between you and I.
I don't suck anything up.

It's a game and entertainment. If I don't like it, I go spend my money and time elsewhere. When a company decides to try and segregate paying customers to try and force something....I walk. It's not likely to influence me to buy.

We will see either way if something is considered but the bags, this silly VR to cp stuff and Templar changes.
Maybe times time to peace out

Yes you sound very unhappy. Maybe a little break from ESO is well in order... As for sucking it up, I tend to put up with some of the bad stuff to be able to enjoy the good something offers. I dont take a walk just because certain aspects of something arent to my liking.. Doubt anything at all in life will be 100% to someone's liking tbh.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

Sorry friend. You can kick and thrash about all you want, but I'll be extremely surprised if craft bags come out in crown store. At least not in the near future. Prolly when ZOS has milked enough subscriptions they might wanna make more $$ so it may possibly come out. What im offering is alternatives for you guys because craft bags in crown store is likely not going to be a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to come out in the ESO store. It saves me the cost of a sub for a simple one off payment. But I don't think its going to happen. Sometimes in life you just gotta suck it up I guess.

That's the difference between you and I.
I don't suck anything up.

It's a game and entertainment. If I don't like it, I go spend my money and time elsewhere. When a company decides to try and segregate paying customers to try and force something....I walk. It's not likely to influence me to buy.

We will see either way if something is considered but the bags, this silly VR to cp stuff and Templar changes.
Maybe times time to peace out

Yes you sound very unhappy. Maybe a little break from ESO is well in order...

On break now. Just keeping track on the PTS.

Vangy · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

For non-sub there already is a "craft bag". Its called your bank. All ZOS needs to do is remove the cap from bank and bag space. People can upgrade to infinity and beyond using gold or by using the crown store price of 1k for 10 bank slots. Same functionality as craft bag. Just that ESO+ now dosent need to worry about bank space cos 90% of what's in our bank is craft junk. A 150 slot bank is more than enough with craft bag.

A craft bag that comes out in Crown store would make the 1k for 10 bank/bag space look like a joke. Why the heck would you ever get 10 slots for 1k crowns when you can just get a craft bag. It would need to cost like 10k crowns to ever justify getting the 1k for 10 bag slots lol.

The bank and inventory upgrades don't loose value if a crafting bag was crowns only.
Consider with the Vr restrictions changing, if you have alts, there will be a lot of inventory swapping thus the benefits of the bank NPC. Both will be very valuable but one is not enough, even with an increase because you wouldn't offer a bank increase to non-crafting bag only accounts. This comment doesn't make sense as it's not one or the other.

Any paying customer should be able to buy access, whether it be crowns or a sub.

You seem to be dead set on your mindset so let's agree to disagree. An infinite bank essentially is the same as a crafting bag. Inventory upgrades are just a plus. With no bank cap, as a non-sub you have the same access to infinite crafting mat storage. Sure it will cost you a lot Gold or crowns but that functionality is not denied to you because you don't sub. Bank is shared between all toons so I don't get what inventory swapping or the bank npc have to do with anything. Sure it will be slightly cumbersome to head to a bank everytime you need to withdraw something but at least you get to keep everything you want as opposed to not having crafting bags and having a bank cap which is the worst scenario.

@Vangy
Sorry this isn't something I'm going to agree to disagree on.

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

Sorry friend. You can kick and thrash about all you want, but I'll be extremely surprised if craft bags come out in crown store. At least not in the near future. Prolly when ZOS has milked enough subscriptions they might wanna make more $$ so it may possibly come out. What im offering is alternatives for you guys because craft bags in crown store is likely not going to be a thing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to come out in the ESO store. It saves me the cost of a sub for a simple one off payment. But I don't think its going to happen. Sometimes in life you just gotta suck it up I guess.

That's the difference between you and I.
I don't suck anything up.

It's a game and entertainment. If I don't like it, I go spend my money and time elsewhere. When a company decides to try and segregate paying customers to try and force something....I walk. It's not likely to influence me to buy.

We will see either way if something is considered but the bags, this silly VR to cp stuff and Templar changes.
Maybe times time to peace out

Yes you sound very unhappy. Maybe a little break from ESO is well in order...

On break now. Just keeping track on the PTS.

Yeah im pretty much on a semi-break too. Just logging into PTS to see what the changes are. So far its looking pretty good and the craft bag system is working okay. Except for missing mats..... I pray my mats dont go poof when DB goes live....

Epona222 · May 2016

Really, to people complaining that they spent money on bank and inventory upgrades and should get it back - talk about a case of 'glass half empty'.

If you buy, I don't know, something like a TV and get 2 years use out of it, then a better TV comes out and you get it, you don't get money back from the retailer for the old one you bought just because it's been replaced with something better. (Better example might be if you lease a car, you may at some point maybe after 2 years upgrade and find yourself getting a better car, but you still had use of that older car for the time you paid for it, the older car and the 2 years you had it and used it are not erased, certainly not from a legal standpoint, by the fact that the company brought out something better which replaced it).

If you have spent gold or crowns upgrading your bank and inventory slots, then you have probably been using them in the meantime and getting benefit from upgraded bank/inventory for the last however many months/years. You have had and used what you paid for. You will still be able to use those slots and probably will use them, because it will mean fewer visits to crafting stations to decon stuff, or a trader/bank to sell stuff. Please stop moaning as if getting a crafting bag with your sub has somehow deprived you of something because you upgraded your bank/inventory, it's ridiculous.

Epona222 · May 2016

nathan_bri wrote: »

“I started to feel fine with not getting the perks, especially with the 50% XP bonus drink. I bought a bunch of Crowns during a sale so that I had a nest egg. I started to feel really good about owning rather than renting Wrothgar and Imperial City. I feel really good about owning Thieves Guild and will feel great about owning Dark Brotherhood. They are mine. They cannot be taken away due to a lapsed subscription.

From https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4h2wjz/crafting_bags/d2n8t0r

This quote snipped from an earlier post on this thread, I particularly wanted to comment on this point - please note that the poster I quoted it from is quoting it from a post on Reddit, I have left the link in place.

Actually if they shut the servers down, it won't matter one whit whether anyone has the DLC due to ESO+ or having bought it for crowns - ALL content in an MMO is leased/rented including the base game (and actually if you look at the fine print, most software is leased or on a limited license with conditions, not owned by the end user) until such time as the company running it decides it is time to stop providing services for that product, no matter how it was paid for/supplied. The person who bought DLC with crowns does not own it any more than the person who gets it via subbing. If/When ZOS shut down the servers, we'll all be in the same boat regardless of how any DLC or bonuses were supplied to us. I want them to be as successful as possible in the meantime, in order that the day that happens is a long way off. Because I really like this game, and want to be playing it for a long time to come.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

“I started to feel fine with not getting the perks, especially with the 50% XP bonus drink. I bought a bunch of Crowns during a sale so that I had a nest egg. I started to feel really good about owning rather than renting Wrothgar and Imperial City. I feel really good about owning Thieves Guild and will feel great about owning Dark Brotherhood. They are mine. They cannot be taken away due to a lapsed subscription.

From https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4h2wjz/crafting_bags/d2n8t0r

This quote snipped from an earlier post on this thread, I particularly wanted to comment on this point - please note that the poster I quoted it from is quoting it from a post on Reddit, I have left the link in place.

Actually if they shut the servers down, it won't matter one whit whether anyone has the DLC due to ESO+ or having bought it for crowns - ALL content in an MMO is leased/rented including the base game (and actually if you look at the fine print, most software is leased or on a limited license with conditions, not owned by the end user) until such time as the company running it decides it is time to stop providing services for that product, no matter how it was paid for/supplied. The person who bought DLC with crowns does not own it any more than the person who gets it via subbing. If/When ZOS shut down the servers, we'll all be in the same boat regardless of how any DLC or bonuses were supplied to us. I want them to be as successful as possible in the meantime, in order that the day that happens is a long way off. Because I really like this game, and want to be playing it for a long time to come.

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

Epona222 · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

“I started to feel fine with not getting the perks, especially with the 50% XP bonus drink. I bought a bunch of Crowns during a sale so that I had a nest egg. I started to feel really good about owning rather than renting Wrothgar and Imperial City. I feel really good about owning Thieves Guild and will feel great about owning Dark Brotherhood. They are mine. They cannot be taken away due to a lapsed subscription.

From https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4h2wjz/crafting_bags/d2n8t0r

This quote snipped from an earlier post on this thread, I particularly wanted to comment on this point - please note that the poster I quoted it from is quoting it from a post on Reddit, I have left the link in place.

Actually if they shut the servers down, it won't matter one whit whether anyone has the DLC due to ESO+ or having bought it for crowns - ALL content in an MMO is leased/rented including the base game (and actually if you look at the fine print, most software is leased or on a limited license with conditions, not owned by the end user) until such time as the company running it decides it is time to stop providing services for that product, no matter how it was paid for/supplied. The person who bought DLC with crowns does not own it any more than the person who gets it via subbing. If/When ZOS shut down the servers, we'll all be in the same boat regardless of how any DLC or bonuses were supplied to us. I want them to be as successful as possible in the meantime, in order that the day that happens is a long way off. Because I really like this game, and want to be playing it for a long time to come.

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

I know people think it seems unfair - but Zenimax benefits (basic business sense) from having more people pay a sub every month than people buying crown packs occasionally. The benefits for subbing are right now paltry, people have already unsubbed because they feel they can get a better deal by not subbing. This is terrible, in business terms, for the future of the game. ZOS needs to reverse this situation, by providing a valuable benefit to people who sub. It can only be convenience though, they cannot offer something that would provide a combat benefit to people who sub, because that would make the game P2W. This is perfect. People can live without a craft bag. Having a craft bag doesn't make anyone more effective in combat. If I hear the "but I don't sub and I provide ZOS with $1000 dollars a year" type argument again, I am going to vomit - because people who say that do not seem to understand that getting people to take out a sub underpins the financial reporting that Zenimax has to do, and secures their future.

The only reason they went B2P in the first place was because MS wouldn't play ball (and it sounds from the difficulties that people on XBox who go ESO+ are having getting their crowns, which is utterly disgraceful, MS are STILL not playing ball, even though sub-only model was dropped).

Divinius · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

I'm honestly starting to get really sick of people saying "I spent just as much money as the subscribers have, I should get the bag too."

That's plain BS.

The crafting bags aren't bought with money "already spent". They are going to be rented going forward with money that needs to be spent. Even if it were to be offered in the crown store, more money would need to be spent. So that argument is complete garbage.

I do get what the argument really is... That argument actually is: "Buying instead of renting used to be a good option, but now it's not as good. And now I'm mad because I already bought the stuff." I get that, but frankly, that happens. Business models change. ZOS doesn't "owe you" anything.

Just because ZOS gave players the option to "rent or buy" some (but not all) previously available sub-perk features (i.e. the DLCs, and only the DLCs) does NOT mean that they are forever obligated to continue to do so for all future sub-perk features. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Choosing to buy the DLC instead of subbing is still a viable choice, as it always has been. People who chose that model chose to give up all the other sub-only perks (exp bonus, gold bonus, research bonus, etc.) because they only cared about having the DLCs. And that's fine. You can still do that. But you can't all of a sudden start to complain because they are adding yet another sub-only perk that can't be purchased with crowns (to the list of existing sub-only perks that can't be purchased with crowns), just because this time it's something that you actually want.

You can't buy the 10% gold bonus with crowns. You can't buy the reduced research times with crowns. You don't see anyone complaining about those though, because they aren't that special. The crafting bag is no different from those other perks. It's just more useful.

I've said it before in this thread, and I'll say it again. Anyone complaining about bags being sub-only is simply upset that they finally added just one more sub-only perk that is actually useful, and now they are mad because their "I'll just buy the DLCs with crowns instead of subbing" option isn't quite as attractive as it used to be.

You want the crafting bag? Get a sub.

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

Best part of crafting bags:

"If your membership expires, you will still have access to the resources stored in your Craft Bag, but you will be unable to add any new materials to it."

This means going forward, I will not longer buy DLC. I'll just sub for one month each time new DLC drops, assuming it appeals to me. I really don't need access to each DLC year round. IC is probably the most re-playable of them and I already own that.

newtinmpls · May 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Basically you're saying to me and anyone else who chooses not to sub but does buy crowns, "you don't deserve access to a crafting bag because you don't subscribe".

That is not quite what I am hearing.

I would use the analogy of a relationship.

Sure if I date ... I spend money ... if I propose.... I spend money.

There are extra benefits that some will gain by offering a commitment. This could be seen as one of them.

And sometimes even if someone is spending "a lot of money on me", I still don't really trust them... without a commitment, maybe there is stuff that I don't really want to give them.

Tevalaur · May 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

I would use the analogy of a relationship.

Sure if I date ... I spend money ... if I propose.... I spend money.

There are extra benefits that some will gain by offering a commitment. This could be seen as one of them.

And sometimes even if someone is spending "a lot of money on me", I still don't really trust them... without a commitment, maybe there is stuff that I don't really want to give them.

Except if we use your analogy all they're really likely to get based on the feedback I've been seeing/hearing is an on-again-off-again engagement with no actual commitment. And the fact remains they need to do something for all purchaser's bank/inventory management, whether or not that something is the craft bag available to everyone or increased max bank space or something else.

Jar_Ek · May 2016

If craft bags are essentially rented what would the rental cost be equivalent to in crowns per month?

ZoM_Head · May 2016

Were you able to find the Craft Bag? Yes

Did you understand when items you picked up went into the Craft Bag? Not at first, was suprised to see fishing bait go in there, which is great.

Did you understand what items go into the Craft Bag, and which ones do not? Eventually yes.

Did you understand how to pull items out of the Craft Bag to trade or mail them? Yes

Do you understand how crafting is integrated into the Craft Bag? Yes

Did you notice any other players using their Craft Bags? (Specifically, did you notice the new Craft Bag model?) No

Were there any items that you feel should have been included in the Craft Bag? I believe it appears to be spot on.

How much backpack and bank space did you free up when your items moved into your Craft Bag? Must wait for the EU character copy to really test this, i have 6 characters just filled with 200 inventory space carrying my ingredients and mats.

Do you have any other general feedback? At the moment no, but again once EU get their characters copied i am certain we will find something.

DMBCML · May 2016

Has anyone found out the answer to what "nearly unlimited" crafting bag space really means?

rootimus · May 2016

Up to 4.2 billion units of each item? This far exceeds expectations and makes for a very pleasant surprise. Also, @ZOS_MandiParker: challenge accepted.

Eshelmen · May 2016

Option C: Those who don't sub, can just accept that crafting bags aren't coming to the crown store.
End of that debate.

DMBCML · May 2016

Wow. I can't delete stuff.

elven.were_wolf · May 2016

ESO always had a problem unit now, which was inventory management. Many hours were spent a day just deciding what to deposit in the bank and what to deconstruct.

Soo... I think that having Crafting Bags for only ESO+ subscribers is totally not fair. Non-subscribers should have somekind of access to such a prevlidge.

You want to make your game more fun, less of a grind fest and less of a debate everytime what goes in the bank and what gets deconstructed?

Make Crafting Bags somehow available to ALL.

Hell, even if it's just extra bags you can purchase from the crown store or a purchasable nerfed version of the crafting bag that is for non-subscribers.
Anything will do better then this unbalanced situation here!

Vangy · May 2016

elven.were_wolf wrote: »

ESO always had a problem unit now, which was inventory management. Many hours were spent a day just deciding what to deposit in the bank and what to deconstruct.

Soo... I think that having Crafting Bags for only ESO+ subscribers is totally not fair. Non-subscribers should have somekind of access to such a prevlidge.

You want to make your game more fun, less of a grind fest and less of a debate everytime what goes in the bank and what gets deconstructed?

Make Crafting Bags somehow available to ALL.

Hell, even if it's just extra bags you can purchase from the crown store or a purchasable nerfed version of the crafting bag that is for non-subscribers.
Anything will do better then this unbalanced situation here!

ZOS should remove caps from bank. That way, non-subs can improve their bank space to their liking. You would still need considerable amount of gold to hit around 400 bank slots but hey, you get to save a *** ton of real world money by not renting craft bags as ESO+.

Vangy · May 2016

Divinius wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In both cases the money is already spent.
The crafting bag shouldn't only be available to a subscriber, that's non-sense.

I'm honestly starting to get really sick of people saying "I spent just as much money as the subscribers have, I should get the bag too."

That's plain BS.

The crafting bags aren't bought with money "already spent". They are going to be rented going forward with money that needs to be spent. Even if it were to be offered in the crown store, more money would need to be spent. So that argument is complete garbage.

I do get what the argument really is... That argument actually is: "Buying instead of renting used to be a good option, but now it's not as good. And now I'm mad because I already bought the stuff." I get that, but frankly, that happens. Business models change. ZOS doesn't "owe you" anything.

Just because ZOS gave players the option to "rent or buy" some (but not all) previously available sub-perk features (i.e. the DLCs, and only the DLCs) does NOT mean that they are forever obligated to continue to do so for all future sub-perk features. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Choosing to buy the DLC instead of subbing is still a viable choice, as it always has been. People who chose that model chose to give up all the other sub-only perks (exp bonus, gold bonus, research bonus, etc.) because they only cared about having the DLCs. And that's fine. You can still do that. But you can't all of a sudden start to complain because they are adding yet another sub-only perk that can't be purchased with crowns (to the list of existing sub-only perks that can't be purchased with crowns), just because this time it's something that you actually want.

You can't buy the 10% gold bonus with crowns. You can't buy the reduced research times with crowns. You don't see anyone complaining about those though, because they aren't that special. The crafting bag is no different from those other perks. It's just more useful.

I've said it before in this thread, and I'll say it again. Anyone complaining about bags being sub-only is simply upset that they finally added just one more sub-only perk that is actually useful, and now they are mad because their "I'll just buy the DLCs with crowns instead of subbing" option isn't quite as attractive as it used to be.

You want the crafting bag? Get a sub.

I'm really annoyed I can't give you an insightful, agree and an awesome.... Why can't a post be informative, something you agree with, and awesome too...... Mods need to look into this feature..