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Dear ZOS: Riding training takes too long - discourages alts and casual players.
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Quality of life doesnt have a place in any game.Someone reads about the game and decides to play it.If it doesnt suit that person in some ways,it isnt the game creators problem.
If it effects the player's "quality of life",..that person needs to get out of that game and find something else to do,as playing that particular game seems to effect them badly.Period.
"Quality of life" is for real life,not a silly game.0 -
HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's take this idea and split the difference. You can train all 3 skills once a day but on a sliding scale of cost. 250 for the first, 1250 for the second, 2500 for the 3rd. You still need to work toward it for 60 days and the cost is much higher, 4k a day, to raise skills. This would cost 240k a to max your skills. Of you're patient though, it could only cost 45k. Still makes riding lessons a bargin.
I feel this won't change until they add in new mounted skill stats however, maybe this like jump height or sprint speed? Who knows.1 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HeroOfNone wrote: »Let's take this idea and split the difference. You can train all 3 skills once a day but on a sliding scale of cost. 250 for the first, 1250 for the second, 2500 for the 3rd. You still need to work toward it for 60 days and the cost is much higher, 4k a day, to raise skills. This would cost 240k a to max your skills. Of you're patient though, it could only cost 45k. Still makes riding lessons a bargin.
I feel this won't change until they add in new mounted skill stats however, maybe this like jump height or sprint speed? Who knows.
If the cost kept going up,I'd just buy the upgrades with the crowns given to me.I wouldnt pay the prices as they went higher.Same with bag and bank prices.I buy crowns and the upgrades.They are cheaper and I dont get r-aped ingame for gold. XD0 -
HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »Let's take this idea and split the difference. You can train all 3 skills once a day but on a sliding scale of cost. 250 for the first, 1250 for the second, 2500 for the 3rd. You still need to work toward it for 60 days and the cost is much higher, 4k a day, to raise skills. This would cost 240k a to max your skills. Of you're patient though, it could only cost 45k. Still makes riding lessons a bargin.
I feel this won't change until they add in new mounted skill stats however, maybe this like jump height or sprint speed? Who knows.
If the cost kept going up,I'd just buy the upgrades with the crowns given to me.I wouldnt pay the prices as they went higher.Same with bag and bank prices.I buy crowns and the upgrades.They are cheaper and I dont get r-aped ingame for gold. XD
Then we'd have a balance between folks that can buy crowns and those that can't I'd say =3. There would be reason for both1 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Quality of life doesnt have a place in any game.Someone reads about the game and decides to play it.If it doesnt suit that person in some ways,it isnt the game creators problem.
If it effects the player's "quality of life",..that person needs to get out of that game and find something else to do,as playing that particular game seems to effect them badly.Period.
"Quality of life" is for real life,not a silly game.
Quality of life is a thing. [snip] How many QoL changes has ZOS already done by the way? Lots in case you're not paying attention.
This is your first MMO though?
Again, people like to insert words into everyone's posts that aren't there.
The horse upgrade system sucks. I have 1 million gold and can only spend 250g every 20 hours? Dumb design.
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HeroOfNone wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Let's take this idea and split the difference. You can train all 3 skills once a day but on a sliding scale of cost. 250 for the first, 1250 for the second, 2500 for the 3rd. You still need to work toward it for 60 days and the cost is much higher, 4k a day, to raise skills. This would cost 240k a to max your skills. Of you're patient though, it could only cost 45k. Still makes riding lessons a bargin.
I feel this won't change until they add in new mounted skill stats however, maybe this like jump height or sprint speed? Who knows.
If the cost kept going up,I'd just buy the upgrades with the crowns given to me.I wouldnt pay the prices as they went higher.Same with bag and bank prices.I buy crowns and the upgrades.They are cheaper and I dont get r-aped ingame for gold. XD
Then we'd have a balance between folks that can buy crowns and those that can't I'd say =3. There would be reason for both
That's fine by me.I have to issue with it.I was just saying that I would rather pay crowns than paying higher and higher ingame gold. Which is what I already do anyway.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it is good as it is - and that it is separated by character. For example, I think that the camel starts to look weird in sprint, when its speed exceeds more then +30% - on that character, who rides a camel, I will not go higher than 30%. Others, like those riding the lioness, will train their mounts to +60%, because it feels really good with that mount. Those riding horses will most likely stay with 45%, because I think that looks still ok on those. And my character riding a bear will stay with just 10%.Edited by Lysette on May 5, 2016 3:37PM1 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
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I was very happy when they dumped the old system for the new. In the old, you had to buy three horses for every character, which could get pricey for those who didn't have the Imperial Edition. Then you had to switch to each horse to feed it, and hope you didn't mess up and give speed food to the stamina horse, or you had to get rid of the horse and start over at the beginning. You had to choose which of the three to be riding. Different breeds of horses started with different base stats, which was also expensive for the best ones. This system may be slow, but it is far better.driosketch wrote: »except that this feature existed way before cash shop
No it didn't. You used to be able to own different mounts with different starting skill levels, so for instance you could have a bags horse and a speed horse, both of which you could train every day, each of which started at level 25 in their respective skill IIRC. In the end it took less than a month to max multiple horses, versus 6 months currently on a new character.
Not true, horses had a base speed, base, stamina, and base carry, different among breeds. You had 50 levels meaning it still took you 49 days to max a horse, after which you didn't have access to all the stats maxed like you can now.
So basically what we have now is already a massive shortcut, because we can max out all stats and have to do this just once for all our mounts, whereas in the past it had to be done for each and every mount?- Is that what it was like?
"Get off my lawn!"1 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »
I was very happy when they dumped the old system for the new. In the old, you had to buy three horses for every character, which could get pricey for those who didn't have the Imperial Edition. Then you had to switch to each horse to feed it, and hope you didn't mess up and give speed food to the stamina horse, or you had to get rid of the horse and start over at the beginning. You had to choose which of the three to be riding. Different breeds of horses started with different base stats, which was also expensive for the best ones. This system may be slow, but it is far better.driosketch wrote: »except that this feature existed way before cash shop
No it didn't. You used to be able to own different mounts with different starting skill levels, so for instance you could have a bags horse and a speed horse, both of which you could train every day, each of which started at level 25 in their respective skill IIRC. In the end it took less than a month to max multiple horses, versus 6 months currently on a new character.
Not true, horses had a base speed, base, stamina, and base carry, different among breeds. You had 50 levels meaning it still took you 49 days to max a horse, after which you didn't have access to all the stats maxed like you can now.
So basically what we have now is already a massive shortcut, because we can max out all stats and have to do this just once for all our mounts, whereas in the past it had to be done for each and every mount?- Is that what it was like?
Huh? You were forced to buy three horses? When was this? I only bought one.The Black one.Of course,I did have the Imperial upgrade with thee white horse,but still,I didnt own more than two horses until recently.
Can you explain when this was? I was in on the betas,and perhaps I am unaware that this was a requirement in the early days.Yet,I was never forced to buy more than that one.0 -
martinhpb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is so you will buy it in the crown store.At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »
I was very happy when they dumped the old system for the new. In the old, you had to buy three horses for every character, which could get pricey for those who didn't have the Imperial Edition. Then you had to switch to each horse to feed it, and hope you didn't mess up and give speed food to the stamina horse, or you had to get rid of the horse and start over at the beginning. You had to choose which of the three to be riding. Different breeds of horses started with different base stats, which was also expensive for the best ones. This system may be slow, but it is far better.driosketch wrote: »except that this feature existed way before cash shop
No it didn't. You used to be able to own different mounts with different starting skill levels, so for instance you could have a bags horse and a speed horse, both of which you could train every day, each of which started at level 25 in their respective skill IIRC. In the end it took less than a month to max multiple horses, versus 6 months currently on a new character.
Not true, horses had a base speed, base, stamina, and base carry, different among breeds. You had 50 levels meaning it still took you 49 days to max a horse, after which you didn't have access to all the stats maxed like you can now.
So basically what we have now is already a massive shortcut, because we can max out all stats and have to do this just once for all our mounts, whereas in the past it had to be done for each and every mount?- Is that what it was like?
Huh? You were forced to buy three horses? When was this? I only bought one.The Black one.Of course,I did have the Imperial upgrade with thee white horse,but still,I didnt own more than two horses until recently.
Can you explain when this was? I was in on the betas,and perhaps I am unaware that this was a requirement in the early days.Yet,I was never forced to buy more than that one.
You don't remember that you only had 50 points for a horse, so you had one all Stamina, one all speed and one for inventory?"Get off my lawn!"0 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭rotaugen454 wrote: »
I was very happy when they dumped the old system for the new. In the old, you had to buy three horses for every character, which could get pricey for those who didn't have the Imperial Edition. Then you had to switch to each horse to feed it, and hope you didn't mess up and give speed food to the stamina horse, or you had to get rid of the horse and start over at the beginning. You had to choose which of the three to be riding. Different breeds of horses started with different base stats, which was also expensive for the best ones. This system may be slow, but it is far better.driosketch wrote: »except that this feature existed way before cash shop
No it didn't. You used to be able to own different mounts with different starting skill levels, so for instance you could have a bags horse and a speed horse, both of which you could train every day, each of which started at level 25 in their respective skill IIRC. In the end it took less than a month to max multiple horses, versus 6 months currently on a new character.
Not true, horses had a base speed, base, stamina, and base carry, different among breeds. You had 50 levels meaning it still took you 49 days to max a horse, after which you didn't have access to all the stats maxed like you can now.
So basically what we have now is already a massive shortcut, because we can max out all stats and have to do this just once for all our mounts, whereas in the past it had to be done for each and every mount?- Is that what it was like?
The original system was worse but it's one of those things that can still get better.0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »
I was very happy when they dumped the old system for the new. In the old, you had to buy three horses for every character, which could get pricey for those who didn't have the Imperial Edition. Then you had to switch to each horse to feed it, and hope you didn't mess up and give speed food to the stamina horse, or you had to get rid of the horse and start over at the beginning. You had to choose which of the three to be riding. Different breeds of horses started with different base stats, which was also expensive for the best ones. This system may be slow, but it is far better.driosketch wrote: »except that this feature existed way before cash shop
No it didn't. You used to be able to own different mounts with different starting skill levels, so for instance you could have a bags horse and a speed horse, both of which you could train every day, each of which started at level 25 in their respective skill IIRC. In the end it took less than a month to max multiple horses, versus 6 months currently on a new character.
Not true, horses had a base speed, base, stamina, and base carry, different among breeds. You had 50 levels meaning it still took you 49 days to max a horse, after which you didn't have access to all the stats maxed like you can now.
So basically what we have now is already a massive shortcut, because we can max out all stats and have to do this just once for all our mounts, whereas in the past it had to be done for each and every mount?- Is that what it was like?
Huh? You were forced to buy three horses? When was this? I only bought one.The Black one.Of course,I did have the Imperial upgrade with thee white horse,but still,I didnt own more than two horses until recently.
Can you explain when this was? I was in on the betas,and perhaps I am unaware that this was a requirement in the early days.Yet,I was never forced to buy more than that one.
You don't remember that you only had 50 points for a horse, so you had one all Stamina, one all speed and one for inventory?
I never did that,never paid attention to the stats or skills.I just bought the one horse and dont even remember which it was.Stamina or otherwise.All I know is that it was the black one,and I paid 42,000 G for it..And,I wasnt prompted to tell me I had to get all three.0 -
Denidil✭✭✭@HeroOfNone I was kicking around an idea like that as well. That works
@AFrostWolf that is most likely an astute observation, but @rotaugen454's counter point is good too. We don't know exactly what affect it would have. I would suspect that would increase sales.
@Runs that is also a good point (hindering deletion more than creation)
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@TheShadowScout that is an interesting proposal.
@Petraeus1 Gets it. Goodposts++
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[edited for flaming]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on May 5, 2016 10:25PM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really don't see the problem; I remember the way this was when we first started playing where skills were by mount, and not by alt. Now it is by alt and you can boost faster with cash (purchases in Crown Store).
It was actually double. Yes it was by mount but also by alt. Could only do 60 upgrades per mount and it didn't transfer over to same mount on different characters.
The way it is now works just fine. I guess some people want it now and cheap.
Gotta work for it is a good system.0 -
AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭Well, I may not have data or anything like that to back up the claim besides my own opinion of what I would do. I've bought riding skills before on my alts that I planned to play to VR16 because at the end of the day it was worth it. However, I would never consider buying riding skills on an alt that's sole purpose was to play blackwater blade at the current prices.0
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It's good to know that I'm not disappointing your expectations.@HeroOfNone I was kicking around an idea like that as well. That works
@AFrostWolf that is most likely an astute observation, but @rotaugen454's counter point is good too. We don't know exactly what affect it would have. I would suspect that would increase sales.
@Volkodav yes, imagine that.. someone who was abusive to me was told to buzz off. But now that he is making good posts its all cool. I'm also probably older than you so knock it off with the "current generation" bs.
@daemonios has it. Short memories, elitism, and ignorance. I like how all these people incorrectly assume I don't have almost every horse on my account maxed out (6 of 8) because I advocated for others to not have to do the same grind I did. They also ignore that I'm just advocating that the grind is shortened to a more reasonable length as the preferred option (60 days instead of 180)
@Runs that is also a good point (hindering deletion more than creation)
@TheShadowScout that is an interesting proposal.
@Rylana FFS learn to read. I have 6 of 8 chars maxxed already. I guess I should have mentioned that in the OP anticipating idiots like you and Uriel.
@Petraeus1 Gets it. Goodposts++
@Uriel_Nocturne
I never described it as game breaking. Stop putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. And you certainly were abusive when you assumed that I didn't already have most of my mounts already max leveled and tried mocking me for suggesting people get it easier. You're a dishonest blow hard and you always have been. The fact that you think a single thread on the official forums suggesting a change in mechanics is "making such a huge stink" is just another attempt to be dismissive beccause you don't have an actual good argument to respond with. You weren't able to make good points back on the beta forums, you're still not able to make good points today. The rest of your post are just meaningless drivel based on your false assumptions that I already dismissed on the first page.
Keep beating that ignorant elitism schtick. You're just as bad as I remember you from beta.
Keep whining about such a small task as being so tedious that it pains you to even log in to do it. I'll still be here to point out how wrong you are every time.
Have a great day though!
I really don't see your issue here. So what if people get their mount faster and don't have to suffer like we did? Is it sighting you in any way? Will you be any worse off if this changes? You act like people wanting a 180-day grind to be shorter is such a huge deal and anyone who agrees with this concept is the epitome of the word casual.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Brilliant idea!!! Problem as usual is $$$. I have no data to support this, but I can imagine riding lessons are some of the highest selling items in the crown store. I know I have personally spent more than I care to admit admit to level riding on some recent Alts. I feel like a horse needs 60 speed and 30 Stam otherwise they are maddening slow and a butterfly will knock you off.
I can remember before the merged riding skills when I was feeding about 15 horses a day. Haha.
Nope.Riding lessons are 1000 crowns for 10 upgrades.Not bad,if you ask me.
I was actually referring to the total sales, not the individual price of riding lessons. I was suggesting that ZOS brings in a lot of cash for these. To address the actual cost, at current crown prices it takes $130.88 USD to instantly max out a horse, which might be seen as a touch high to some. I really dont care to debate pricing. What is cheap for some is not affordable to others, such is life. I was just suggesting that from ZOS's point of view, riding lessons are likely a big money earner, so I doubt they will change anything.1 -
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✭✭I think it is good as it is - and that it is separated by character. For example, I think that the camel starts to look weird in sprint, when its speed exceeds more then +30% - on that character, who rides a camel, I will not go higher than 30%. Others, like those riding the lioness, will train their mounts to +60%, because it feels really good with that mount. Those riding horses will most likely stay with 45%, because I think that looks still ok on those. And my character riding a bear will stay with just 10%.
Interesting idea but you do know that a grizzly bear is as fast as the average horse in real life right? The animations in game look ridiculous at high speeds though so I can see why you wouldn't want to increase the bears speed.0 -
WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It's good to know that I'm not disappointing your expectations.@HeroOfNone I was kicking around an idea like that as well. That works
@AFrostWolf that is most likely an astute observation, but @rotaugen454's counter point is good too. We don't know exactly what affect it would have. I would suspect that would increase sales.
@Volkodav yes, imagine that.. someone who was abusive to me was told to buzz off. But now that he is making good posts its all cool. I'm also probably older than you so knock it off with the "current generation" bs.
@daemonios has it. Short memories, elitism, and ignorance. I like how all these people incorrectly assume I don't have almost every horse on my account maxed out (6 of 8) because I advocated for others to not have to do the same grind I did. They also ignore that I'm just advocating that the grind is shortened to a more reasonable length as the preferred option (60 days instead of 180)
@Runs that is also a good point (hindering deletion more than creation)
@TheShadowScout that is an interesting proposal.
@Rylana FFS learn to read. I have 6 of 8 chars maxxed already. I guess I should have mentioned that in the OP anticipating idiots like you and Uriel.
@Petraeus1 Gets it. Goodposts++
@Uriel_Nocturne
I never described it as game breaking. Stop putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. And you certainly were abusive when you assumed that I didn't already have most of my mounts already max leveled and tried mocking me for suggesting people get it easier. You're a dishonest blow hard and you always have been. The fact that you think a single thread on the official forums suggesting a change in mechanics is "making such a huge stink" is just another attempt to be dismissive beccause you don't have an actual good argument to respond with. You weren't able to make good points back on the beta forums, you're still not able to make good points today. The rest of your post are just meaningless drivel based on your false assumptions that I already dismissed on the first page.
Keep beating that ignorant elitism schtick. You're just as bad as I remember you from beta.
Keep whining about such a small task as being so tedious that it pains you to even log in to do it. I'll still be here to point out how wrong you are every time.
Have a great day though!
I really don't see your issue here. So what if people get their mount faster and don't have to suffer like we did? Is it sighting you in any way? Will you be any worse off if this changes? You act like people wanting a 180-day grind to be shorter is such a huge deal and anyone who agrees with this concept is the epitome of the word casual.
People have evolved into cellphone gamers. Must wait ridiculous amount of time to enjoy something, OR for just the low low price of $120 dollars you can pay to unlock it. The sad thing is they accept this and even worse they call it "working hard".2 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
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[snip] I said you were slacking. That implies being lazy, you sir, are being lazy. If you were feeding your mounts as often as you "reply to every post that disagrees", youd be at 60/60/60.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it is good as it is - and that it is separated by character. For example, I think that the camel starts to look weird in sprint, when its speed exceeds more then +30% - on that character, who rides a camel, I will not go higher than 30%. Others, like those riding the lioness, will train their mounts to +60%, because it feels really good with that mount. Those riding horses will most likely stay with 45%, because I think that looks still ok on those. And my character riding a bear will stay with just 10%.
Interesting idea but you do know that a grizzly bear is as fast as the average horse in real life right? The animations in game look ridiculous at high speeds though so I can see why you wouldn't want to increase the bears speed.
Yes, I based it on the looks of the animations - less on the actual speed and stamina of the animals. i really do not care that much about mount speed, I am on foot when I am adventuring and quite agile with my darkstrider/well-fitted combination and just avoid that hassle to mount and dismount and mount again and dismount again.1 -
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✭✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It's good to know that I'm not disappointing your expectations.@HeroOfNone I was kicking around an idea like that as well. That works
@AFrostWolf that is most likely an astute observation, but @rotaugen454's counter point is good too. We don't know exactly what affect it would have. I would suspect that would increase sales.
@Volkodav yes, imagine that.. someone who was abusive to me was told to buzz off. But now that he is making good posts its all cool. I'm also probably older than you so knock it off with the "current generation" bs.
@daemonios has it. Short memories, elitism, and ignorance. I like how all these people incorrectly assume I don't have almost every horse on my account maxed out (6 of 8) because I advocated for others to not have to do the same grind I did. They also ignore that I'm just advocating that the grind is shortened to a more reasonable length as the preferred option (60 days instead of 180)
@Runs that is also a good point (hindering deletion more than creation)
@TheShadowScout that is an interesting proposal.
@Rylana FFS learn to read. I have 6 of 8 chars maxxed already. I guess I should have mentioned that in the OP anticipating idiots like you and Uriel.
@Petraeus1 Gets it. Goodposts++
@Uriel_Nocturne
I never described it as game breaking. Stop putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. And you certainly were abusive when you assumed that I didn't already have most of my mounts already max leveled and tried mocking me for suggesting people get it easier. You're a dishonest blow hard and you always have been. The fact that you think a single thread on the official forums suggesting a change in mechanics is "making such a huge stink" is just another attempt to be dismissive beccause you don't have an actual good argument to respond with. You weren't able to make good points back on the beta forums, you're still not able to make good points today. The rest of your post are just meaningless drivel based on your false assumptions that I already dismissed on the first page.
Keep beating that ignorant elitism schtick. You're just as bad as I remember you from beta.
Keep whining about such a small task as being so tedious that it pains you to even log in to do it. I'll still be here to point out how wrong you are every time.
Have a great day though!
I really don't see your issue here. So what if people get their mount faster and don't have to suffer like we did? Is it sighting you in any way? Will you be any worse off if this changes? You act like people wanting a 180-day grind to be shorter is such a huge deal and anyone who agrees with this concept is the epitome of the word casual.
People have evolved into cellphone gamers. Must wait ridiculous amount of time to enjoy something, OR for just the low low price of $120 dollars you can pay to unlock it. The sad thing is they accept this and even worse they call it "working hard".
I mean, while I enjoy a good session in Clash of Clans sometimes...I really don't feel like there's much justification for a system like that in an MMO.
Disagreeing with someone is abusive now. LOL
I never attacked you. I said you were slacking. That implies being lazy, you sir, are being lazy. If you were feeding your mounts as often as youre playing the "reply to every post that disagrees with me furiously trying to drown out all voices against my own" game, youd be at 60/60/60.
The OP has said repeatedly he has maxed mounts on 6 characters. The OP could choose to simply not care less about the issue, but instead he asks to make the grind faster since it is way too long to be alt-friendly.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Argruna✭✭✭I could see it if you were requesting the research time to be taken down to like 10 hours instead of the what 20? 22? hours that horse timers are currently at however making them more expensive for each upgrade? NO. There are enough major gold sinks in game with making bag space and bank space for alts and casual players, adding the riding skills on top of it would basically be another gold grind that would get me fed up with it and completely ignore. Also your doubling the price example doesn't work because you still equal out the paying 15,000 per maxed out skill anyway. Which is extremely easy to get if you sell items in a guild or use the recent exploit with the surveys.
To prevent someone from just getting max riding the first week, hell maybe even the first day of playing with using just gold, (no cash shop purchases), they wouldn't use the 250, 500, 750 method you propose, it would be closer to this: 250, 1850, 5750, 10850, 19050, etc and that's using the increase they do with buying bag upgrades. So by the time you hit that 60th point? Yeah, look at the massive gold sink. And you have to do it two more times if you want it all maxed out.
So ZOS did a solution for you and that is the cash shop items. The riding writs and the bag/bank ones. If you don't want to pay the price they are, be frugal and wait for them to go on sale. All in all, I don't understand why this is 'cash shop skeevy' as you put it. This is an optional upgrade that you can grind out or, if you have the money, buy and be done with. If you want skeevy, there are plenty of games on steam and app games I can show you that wants you to pay $5 bucks just to continue to the next area.1 -
zZzleepyhead✭✭✭Get out of here son..
Two years ago you could only get 1/3 the stats on your horse as you can now.. So it's not even worth bickering about.Edited by zZzleepyhead on May 5, 2016 6:57PM1 -
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LOLUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
It's good to know that I'm not disappointing your expectations.@HeroOfNone I was kicking around an idea like that as well. That works
@AFrostWolf that is most likely an astute observation, but @rotaugen454's counter point is good too. We don't know exactly what affect it would have. I would suspect that would increase sales.
@Volkodav yes, imagine that.. someone who was abusive to me was told to buzz off. But now that he is making good posts its all cool. I'm also probably older than you so knock it off with the "current generation" bs.
@daemonios has it. Short memories, elitism, and ignorance. I like how all these people incorrectly assume I don't have almost every horse on my account maxed out (6 of 8) because I advocated for others to not have to do the same grind I did. They also ignore that I'm just advocating that the grind is shortened to a more reasonable length as the preferred option (60 days instead of 180)
@Runs that is also a good point (hindering deletion more than creation)
@TheShadowScout that is an interesting proposal.
@Rylana FFS learn to read. I have 6 of 8 chars maxxed already. I guess I should have mentioned that in the OP anticipating idiots like you and Uriel.
@Petraeus1 Gets it. Goodposts++
@Uriel_Nocturne
I never described it as game breaking. Stop putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. And you certainly were abusive when you assumed that I didn't already have most of my mounts already max leveled and tried mocking me for suggesting people get it easier. You're a dishonest blow hard and you always have been. The fact that you think a single thread on the official forums suggesting a change in mechanics is "making such a huge stink" is just another attempt to be dismissive beccause you don't have an actual good argument to respond with. You weren't able to make good points back on the beta forums, you're still not able to make good points today. The rest of your post are just meaningless drivel based on your false assumptions that I already dismissed on the first page.
Keep beating that ignorant elitism schtick. You're just as bad as I remember you from beta.
Keep whining about such a small task as being so tedious that it pains you to even log in to do it. I'll still be here to point out how wrong you are every time.
Have a great day though!
I really don't see your issue here. So what if people get their mount faster and don't have to suffer like we did? Is it sighting you in any way? Will you be any worse off if this changes? You act like people wanting a 180-day grind to be shorter is such a huge deal and anyone who agrees with this concept is the epitome of the word casual.
1) I'm not "suffering" through anything. I actually enjoy ending my day by visiting a stable and seeing my Mount progress like my characters.
2) Flip that around. OP and his few supporters are acting like it IS a huge deal to spend less than five (5) minutes to spend that gold on a horse every day.
3) I would LOVE for you to find where I have mentioned the words "Casual" or "Hardcore" in this thread in reference to another player.
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✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't really matter if I think others should do the slog I did, or I hope for a faster way for them and any new character slots I get. All that matters is what will make ZOS more money, as in that will decide what they do.They are a business, so I expect that. I don't see them doing ANYTHING (like riding skills per account, leveling with gold more than once a day, etc) that would cut into crown store riding lessons."Get off my lawn!"1 -
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Brilliant idea!!! Problem as usual is $$$. I have no data to support this, but I can imagine riding lessons are some of the highest selling items in the crown store. I know I have personally spent more than I care to admit admit to level riding on some recent Alts. I feel like a horse needs 60 speed and 30 Stam otherwise they are maddening slow and a butterfly will knock you off.
I can remember before the merged riding skills when I was feeding about 15 horses a day. Haha.
Nope.Riding lessons are 1000 crowns for 10 upgrades.Not bad,if you ask me.
I was actually referring to the total sales, not the individual price of riding lessons. I was suggesting that ZOS brings in a lot of cash for these. To address the actual cost, at current crown prices it takes $130.88 USD to instantly max out a horse, which might be seen as a touch high to some. I really dont care to debate pricing. What is cheap for some is not affordable to others, such is life. I was just suggesting that from ZOS's point of view, riding lessons are likely a big money earner, so I doubt they will change anything.
Ahh.I can see what your point is,put in this manner. You didnt mention that you were referring to total sales,so I thought of the upgrades,naturally.0
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