[ZOS please reconsider] Ability to hide CP ranks and account name

Vidahr · May 2016

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

After reviewing the discussion on forum, I believe that CP rank AND account name SHOULD NOT be displayed completely, at least without an option to hide them;

My reasons are listed below:

Account name:

CP ranks:

You can see your account name if someone is using gamepad mode, so it's already like that in the game ATM.

VR already did the same thing, I'm not sure displaying CP would be ANY different.

At any rate, I enjoy how it is on the PTS.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

Denidil wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Casuals in /zone are not going to use the name you want to, or talk to you in the way you want no matter what you do. Stop trying to impede functionality because you don't want to have to ignore it for your play style.. My @ also happens to be chosen to be the same as the first name of all 8 of my characters so it makes zero difference to me.

My coworkers usually refer to me by name, and our email addresses can be aliased either as First.Last@EvilEmpire.com or our alias@EvilEmpire.com. Our alias is derived from our name. I have a chat addon that can optionally display Char name, @Name, or both. I have it set to both because its hard to keep track of guildies otherwise.

LOL, what "functionality" demands that random players see my username? We've been doing just fine with character names since 2014.... why change now? I have not seen one legitimate reason for usernames to be visible in this thread or anywhere.

When I signed up for an ESO during the beta, I never thought in a million years that my username would be visible above my toon. If I had known that, I would have chosen my username a lot more carefully with public exposure in mind. Making this change to the game NOW is a real pain, because I do not want to jump through whatever hoops it takes to change my username, if it's even possible.

Vidahr · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Denidil wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Casuals in /zone are not going to use the name you want to, or talk to you in the way you want no matter what you do. Stop trying to impede functionality because you don't want to have to ignore it for your play style.. My @ also happens to be chosen to be the same as the first name of all 8 of my characters so it makes zero difference to me.

My coworkers usually refer to me by name, and our email addresses can be aliased either as First.Last@EvilEmpire.com or our alias@EvilEmpire.com. Our alias is derived from our name. I have a chat addon that can optionally display Char name, @Name, or both. I have it set to both because its hard to keep track of guildies otherwise.

LOL, what "functionality" demands that random players see my username? We've been doing just fine with character names since 2014.... why change now? I have not seen one legitimate reason for usernames to be visible in this thread or anywhere.

When I signed up for an ESO during the beta, I never thought in a million years that my username would be visible above my toon. If I had known that, I would have chosen my username a lot more carefully with public exposure in mind. Making this change to the game NOW is a real pain, because I do not want to jump through whatever hoops it takes to change my usename, if it's even possible.

Again, it's been visible since the release of GamePad mode. Nobody has said anything about it until now.

Bofrari · May 2016

It won't really matter after this patch everything is being nerfed there will be no challenging content left except the new trial and maybe SO I haven't heard how it is yet.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

Vidahr wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Denidil wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Casuals in /zone are not going to use the name you want to, or talk to you in the way you want no matter what you do. Stop trying to impede functionality because you don't want to have to ignore it for your play style.. My @ also happens to be chosen to be the same as the first name of all 8 of my characters so it makes zero difference to me.

My coworkers usually refer to me by name, and our email addresses can be aliased either as First.Last@EvilEmpire.com or our alias@EvilEmpire.com. Our alias is derived from our name. I have a chat addon that can optionally display Char name, @Name, or both. I have it set to both because its hard to keep track of guildies otherwise.

LOL, what "functionality" demands that random players see my username? We've been doing just fine with character names since 2014.... why change now? I have not seen one legitimate reason for usernames to be visible in this thread or anywhere.

When I signed up for an ESO during the beta, I never thought in a million years that my username would be visible above my toon. If I had known that, I would have chosen my username a lot more carefully with public exposure in mind. Making this change to the game NOW is a real pain, because I do not want to jump through whatever hoops it takes to change my usename, if it's even possible.

Again, it's been visible since the release of GamePad mode. Nobody has said anything about it until now.

Not to me it wasn't, and not to a lot of other players, either. How many people do you think use gamepad mode, or even know about it? Yes, I know that there have always been ways to find out the username behind a toon, but it's never been the first thing people see. I've never been called anything other than "Emma" by other players until I got on the PTS.

Just because YOU don't think this is a big deal or a problem or an annoyance... that doesn't make it right to force this change on other players who find it objectionable. What is the compelling rationale for this change? Because I don't see one. Not only was no one asking for this, console gamers have complained about their toons being identified by "gamertags" since ESO launched on consoles. Why does PC need this gamertag crap, too?

Put another way, why do we even need character names if they are just going to be superceded by usernames? I think it's total BS that ZOS didn't tell us they were going to do this when we chose our usernames.

Myrcy · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

When I signed up for an ESO during the beta, I never thought in a million years that my username would be visible above my toon. If I had known that, I would have chosen my username a lot more carefully with public exposure in mind. Making this change to the game NOW is a real pain, because I do not want to jump through whatever hoops it takes to change my username, if it's even possible.

Assuming you are going to have to jump through hoops to change your @name is a bit pessimistic don't you think? I had my @name changed right after I started playing a few months ago. I put in a ticket and the next day it was changed. It wasn't difficult.

Abeille · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Denidil wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Casuals in /zone are not going to use the name you want to, or talk to you in the way you want no matter what you do. Stop trying to impede functionality because you don't want to have to ignore it for your play style.. My @ also happens to be chosen to be the same as the first name of all 8 of my characters so it makes zero difference to me.

My coworkers usually refer to me by name, and our email addresses can be aliased either as First.Last@EvilEmpire.com or our alias@EvilEmpire.com. Our alias is derived from our name. I have a chat addon that can optionally display Char name, @Name, or both. I have it set to both because its hard to keep track of guildies otherwise.

LOL, what "functionality" demands that random players see my username? We've been doing just fine with character names since 2014.... why change now? I have not seen one legitimate reason for usernames to be visible in this thread or anywhere.

When I signed up for an ESO during the beta, I never thought in a million years that my username would be visible above my toon. If I had known that, I would have chosen my username a lot more carefully with public exposure in mind. Making this change to the game NOW is a real pain, because I do not want to jump through whatever hoops it takes to change my username, if it's even possible.

If it helps, it is possible and very quick. Just submit a ticket asking ZOS to change your @name and provide them with options. They do it really quickly, they changed mine three hours or so after I asked. They were really nice too, apologizing for the function not being available to us to change it ourselves without needing to contact support, although I would never expect to be able to change my account name by myself. After three or four emails (the name I wanted originally was taken, so I had to pick another and it took an extra mail for that), it was done.

Vangy · May 2016

Posted this on the other thread as well, thought Id share it here too:

Just show allocated CPs... Dosent matter if someone has 2000 or 1000 CP. Cap is 501. So show allocated up to that point. This is relevant information. Not just in PvE but in PvP.

Get into an engage with someone, you'd want to know if they are CP 100 or CP 500. If you are a CP 200 toon against a CP 501 toon, the odds are not in your favour. You might want to kite and back off until reinforcements arrive. Same thing as when vet ranks existed. You wouldnt want to pick a fight with a v16 if you are a new v1 player. Or vice versa. I dont like to bully v1s around when I was at v16. Was at a delve once to get the AP buff and this poor v1 totally freaked out upon seeing me. Started spamming dodge roll and hard casting frags... I just held block till he realised I wasnt going to pwnzor him.

Anyway, for PvE its relevant info too. Since CP is replacing vet ranks, its essentially your new "level". When vet ranks existed, you would see the vet ranks of everyone involved. People had requirements for pledges for example; "v16 group LF2M v16 DPS for vet _____". The reason for this was that maybe they were farming for a certain helm at a particular level. With Vet ranks gone, im assuming we are getting CP gear level. So if a group wants to farm in the future let's say a CP 180 helm, you'd want a group of at least CP180 players. Getting a CP 80 player would be like doing v16 vWGT pre-nerf with a v5 toon.... Not pleasant and borderline undoable without scaling. Even with scaling, you would most likely be a burden on the group unless you are a fantastic player with proper gear. My guesstimate is less than 20% of the population would fall into this category.

Hopefully I dont offend anyone and people realise the importance of showing allocated cp. However, I do agree showing total CP has no purpose. 2000 CP when CP cap is 501 is kinda pointless information.

As for @names... Uhm I think it can be seen even now.. Just click on group tab or chat and you can see someone's @name even if they arent your friends. I don't see the big issue with it being displayed since it can be easily accessed by anyone who wants to currently. Maybe this needs to be changed. I can understand the concerns of those who prefer not to get random tells from people. Especially the PvP trollers lol. Kill them and they pm you with : you noob !@#@$

Karamis_Vimardon · May 2016

Regarding CP being shown:

What some people call elitism, I call not wanting to group with players that aren't on the same or similar skill level. When i'm with players that know their class and group role, have the right gear setup and CP allocation, rotate their skills correctly, know and understand game mechanics I have a much more fun time.

Why should those that are clearly more knowledgeable and skilled in game invite people that aren't to their group if they don't want to?

Regarding @ names being shown:

I've always thought it was a bad idea having account names being shown in guild lists, but to be displayed to everyone who can see you? What the f**king hell are they thinking?! Did they not think to ask their internal ICT Security Engineer? Giving out usernames is a big no no, entry level ICT persons know that

Zaenidd · May 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Usara wrote: »

Yes account names could be found elsewhere, it's just visually displeasing, even if you can change the display.

Concerning the CP display, I somewhat agree with the OP.

I have wayyyyy more CP than the cap, and "elitism" is really not something I am afraid about. But why not display my played time and the amount of gold I have in my bank too while we're at it ? We went from no name plates to too-much-information in one DLC

But at least, show the CP SPENT and not won. Nobody needs to know some people are at 800-1000 CP : 501 is the max spent anyway, so like OP was saying, it will be confusing for some (a lot.....) of people.

And it would be so much more useful : I once played with a v16 who had spent NONE of his CP, because... reasons. And I was wondering why he was so bad... And when we tried to explain him that he had to spend them, well he ignored us. Yeah, those kind of people, I'd definitely avoid even for Wayrest Sewers...

You anwered your own question there.
He wasnt as good as you with all you CP points.
Perhaps that was the idea ?
Perhaps he didnt want to faceroll content.
Perhaps he felt CS was supposed to be versatility and not empowerment.

Who are you to dictate someone else build ?
Never ceases to amaze me the amount of little tyrants we have running around.

So the goal of an RPG is not to improve your character ? i guess we don't have the same definition

if people want to play without cp, skills, stuff etc do it (play as you want) but play solo or with other people who play like you. i can't stand doing wayrest sewers in an hour while it's doable in 10mins that's why i'm not doing pick up group anymore.

And if you think you faceroll content just because you have 501 cp, well you'll have a surprise

if trying to improve myself and players i play with is being a tyrant....i'm proud of being one too

look at the difference between elitism and trying to improve yourself and people you play with

LegendaryArcher · May 2016

Decado wrote: »

As for what's the difference between 1501 and 501? Experience someone who has that many CPs knows the game and their char

@Decado Well, you see, that's the difference. I've been playing since before CP came out and have around 600. I have never grinded. Instead, I was actually playing and learning mechanics. And I've been playing for many hours every day. If I see someone with 1500 CP, I'd know that this person spent most of his time grinding and has probably less skill and feeling for his character. You wanna see what I mean? Take a person like this to vMoL.

As far as the subject goes, I don't care too much. But I see how displaying CP can get players with 100 or 200 CP in social trouble.

Sigma957 · May 2016

Arn't your usernames seen here in the forums? Personally i don't give 2 ***** if my cp and username are shown in game. I play the game how I want

if someone doesn't like it I can always put on ignore or just don't have chat window open.

Suru · May 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

I like that CP is displayed, this game caters to casuals a little too much already.

They just need to get rid of the @name being shown. Its an invasion of privacy to some extent.

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

I like this change, need to show nameplates and cp rank.

Do not want to stuck wih old system stuff, new changes are good and appreciated.

Thanks Zenimax, I only have concern regarding nerf sorcers shield change in base game. Which should be addressed...

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

What is purpose of naming your character if it can not be shown in game????? Some people need to relax down and accept this change positively..

This change is good. PC already have it and it's great..

Memnock · May 2016

I don't really care if my CP is displayed or not , the problem i have with this game , since i've started , is the fact that if i go into a guild chat or any group , if i respond to something i get my @name , instead of my character name.

If this is the case , then why do i bother to name each of my individual characters , with their own unique names , wouldn't it be easier to just have Memnock1 ; Memnock2 , Memnock3 and be done with it ?

Please reconsider the display of the account name from this perspective. I can honestly say that up untill ESO , i've never played a game where my account name was listed in chat and with the DLC it will be listed above my head , instead of my damn character name that i am playing.

Usara · May 2016

@Rune_Relic Is it being a tyrant trying to help people ? Or is being a tyrant to expect others to drag you along ? It's like wanting to be carried in a chair by the three other teamates who do all the work while you watch...
Because that's exactly the message you are giving.
When he told another guy he had spent none of his points, I thought, okay, maybe he doesn't not know where to spend them/is afraid he can't respec, etc.
We were in the middle of a daily I usually do in 10-15 min, and I took time to stop and talk to this guy to see if I could help him. The closest of an answer I got was : "it's my character, I do as I want, and I don't want to spend them now, so f**k off"

If I had known he had spent none of his CP BEFORE the dungeon, well, I would have lost 5 minutes talking with him and seeing he didn't want to learn, I would have move along and find other people.
Instead I lost 2 hours in Darshade Caverns.

Anyway, this is going off-topic, so yeah... moving along.

John_1999 · May 2016

I totally agree, they should remove both CP and ID.

Lets see this from PVP perspective, if you see a guy with 12 CP, you know he is not that experienced in PVP.
And they have lower DPS, lower sustain. This people will have a hard time in PVP. They will be the primary target in PVP.

Now you don't see how many CP someone has. A V2 can have more CP than a V16.

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

Lol, not displaying a level is unfair. Everyone level should display as like in every MMO.. This is for fair gamely and not to hide from anyone.

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

In order to resolve PvP concerns, new rules should be introduced i.e. should not attack opponent if level difference is too high..

Destruent · May 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

As for what's the difference between 1501 and 501? Experience someone who has that many CPs knows the game and their char

@Decado Well, you see, that's the difference. I've been playing since before CP came out and have around 600. I have never grinded. Instead, I was actually playing and learning mechanics. And I've been playing for many hours every day. If I see someone with 1500 CP, I'd know that this person spent most of his time grinding and has probably less skill and feeling for his character. You wanna see what I mean? Take a person like this to vMoL.

As far as the subject goes, I don't care too much. But I see how displaying CP can get players with 100 or 200 CP in social trouble.

Says the person who complained about not getting on the weekly leaderboards in vMSA...But yeah...good example that 600CP do not make a great player on its own.
There are players ingame who have beaten nearly everything before CP were introduced. So they had a lot of time farming them.

BTT: I don't mind. Should be interesting to see how much CP most players have.

B3N · May 2016

I like the new way, it makes thinks a bit more transparency and with that easier to understand in some cases.

And for the people here crying that their account is visible, the account was never something secret or private and it won't be in the future. And please don't argument with security reasons, this is totally bulls***. If someone want's to get your account name, he can get it easily , even now on the live server.

Taisynn · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

CP is one thing, but there is NO good reason to display username. I don't know why ZOS thought it was a good idea to bring the "gamertag" issue from consoles over to the PC.

I already got called by my username once on the PTS, and I HATED it. This in an RPG, remember... what happened to role-playing? This change needs to be reverted or at least made optional.

Wait - they are exposing our login names now? What about roleplayers?

What the hell! I want to be known as my character name not my login name >.<

Lord_Eomer · May 2016

Character name should only be displayed or else no need to name a character..

Taisynn · May 2016

I saw the screenshots of the new UI and nameplates and they are absolutely HIDEOUS. They are going to compleyely ruin people's immersion in roleplay.

I'm crying inside. I just got a new roleplay guild and I'm enjoying it, yet they're going to ruin the beauty of the world with these disgusting nameplates and health bars. It's too much. Just way too much.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please tell them to leave the UI on PC the way it is.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Usara wrote: »

@Rune_Relic Is it being a tyrant trying to help people ? Or is being a tyrant to expect others to drag you along ? It's like wanting to be carried in a chair by the three other teamates who do all the work while you watch...
Because that's exactly the message you are giving.
When he told another guy he had spent none of his points, I thought, okay, maybe he doesn't not know where to spend them/is afraid he can't respec, etc.
We were in the middle of a daily I usually do in 10-15 min, and I took time to stop and talk to this guy to see if I could help him. The closest of an answer I got was : "it's my character, I do as I want, and I don't want to spend them now, so f**k off"

If I had known he had spent none of his CP BEFORE the dungeon, well, I would have lost 5 minutes talking with him and seeing he didn't want to learn, I would have move along and find other people.
Instead I lost 2 hours in Darshade Caverns.

Anyway, this is going off-topic, so yeah... moving along.

And you have used the group finder where you could have ended up with someone with noext to no CP anyway.
Its a group finder that caters from new player to pro. You get what you're given. Like it or lump it.

You call it helping people when its not requested ?
I know quite a few people with that kind of twisted logic as an excuse for their authoritarian attitude.
You know whats best for them right ?
If they want your help/opinion they will ask for it.

People really dont like being micromanaged.
People appreciate their independance of thought.
If they cant use their own free will....what the damn point of their existance ?

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Zaenidd wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Usara wrote: »

Yes account names could be found elsewhere, it's just visually displeasing, even if you can change the display.

Concerning the CP display, I somewhat agree with the OP.

I have wayyyyy more CP than the cap, and "elitism" is really not something I am afraid about. But why not display my played time and the amount of gold I have in my bank too while we're at it ? We went from no name plates to too-much-information in one DLC

But at least, show the CP SPENT and not won. Nobody needs to know some people are at 800-1000 CP : 501 is the max spent anyway, so like OP was saying, it will be confusing for some (a lot.....) of people.

And it would be so much more useful : I once played with a v16 who had spent NONE of his CP, because... reasons. And I was wondering why he was so bad... And when we tried to explain him that he had to spend them, well he ignored us. Yeah, those kind of people, I'd definitely avoid even for Wayrest Sewers...

You anwered your own question there.
He wasnt as good as you with all you CP points.
Perhaps that was the idea ?
Perhaps he didnt want to faceroll content.
Perhaps he felt CS was supposed to be versatility and not empowerment.

Who are you to dictate someone else build ?
Never ceases to amaze me the amount of little tyrants we have running around.

So the goal of an RPG is not to improve your character ? i guess we don't have the same definition

if people want to play without cp, skills, stuff etc do it (play as you want) but play solo or with other people who play like you. i can't stand doing wayrest sewers in an hour while it's doable in 10mins that's why i'm not doing pick up group anymore.

And if you think you faceroll content just because you have 501 cp, well you'll have a surprise

if trying to improve myself and players i play with is being a tyrant....i'm proud of being one too

look at the difference between elitism and trying to improve yourself and people you play with

Their is a massive massive difference between self improvement (trial and error) and some tyrant telling you what you must wear and how you must play.

IF they get stuck. IF they want help. They will ask !

Frawr · May 2016

Don't know what experiences you all have, but the 'elitists' that I know don't pug or use group finder because they can't be bothered wasting time with the roulette game and the risk of slow and inept players.

Having cp visible is good for you non - elites because it allows you to group with like - minded people rather than risking bumping into an 'elite' and being offended.

Destyran · May 2016

Has anybody thought of this? How confusing will cyrodill be if you see a multitude of levels why do we need more than 160 next to our name if anything 501 is fine but like ohh yeah look at the 476 or look at that freshy cr 2 "holy crap he just got two levels" or what about the pvp hate when some one kills you at cap with less cp or the flame for those few people who have the 4 digits like cant we just get a play on the veteran symbol next to your nAme your something for every 10 cp ranks up to 160 then a new symbol every 100cp?

Usara · May 2016

@Rune_Relic I didn't used the group finder, btw. And if you want to play as you want, without wanting to improve yourself, no problem. Just play with people like you or on your own.
I don't know, it's like entering a chess tournament in teams, and you are just a beginner at chess : you're just bringing your team down. Play with your little sister but not in a team tournament.
Or well, that's my opinion. I understand you have a different one, but don't assume I'm an elitist tyrant. That's just being rude.

And I said I was moving along and I'm still here, so back on topic

I agree that since CP is basically the equivalent of the level, yes it should be shown. I'm just for the CP spent display, and not the CP won displayed. I don't think people with 1600CP are better than people with 350CP. It just means they had more play time/used their play time grinding.
Yes some people with 1600CP are better than some people with 350CP, but it has nothing to do with the overall number of CP they won. And I get the feeling that since some people are already confusing those two different things, it will get even worse.

As for the account name, it's just ugly. Useful for some people, sure.

What could have been a good idea (though I'll admit I don't know if it's possible - especially when it comes to console platforms) is a toggle key (yes I know there is an option, but changing the settings every 10 seconds is annoying).

Like you see a guy in front of you, you target him, you just see his char name. If holding ALT (just an example) while targeting him, you see the rest of the info (account name, CP, etc...)

Well, that's just a thought anyway. Maybe some addon will do that particular job anyway