pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Arcade gaming is different than an MMO. Arcade gaming is competitive in nature...must beat AI to accumulate points etc. MMORPGs were always about the story, pen and paper D&D. The story here is what counts, the attempt to blend these into a MMO setting created what WoW became. I haven't really seen a successful blend that includes all segments of gamers. I still blame anonymity of being behind a screen and not suffering consequences is why we so much toxic behavior on the forums and in game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

IMO the lack of hardship of any kind in the life of the younger generation. They grew up in relative wealthy families and get all handed to them for free and in abundance and that makes them feel entitled and spoiled. It is not just a matter of the gaming communities, it is a matter of modern society in a whole. This happened.

Youre seriously going to try and blame the "younger generation"? WTF does that even mean? Younger Generation....Can you put a number to that? An age group? Because the vast majority of gamers are actually 30 and above. Most of them grew up in the golden age of gaming.

You should probably take your nostalgia glasses off. There were plenty of easy games back in the day. Are you going to claim Pong was hard? Mario Bros? All they took was repetition and timing. Nothing overly skilled or difficult.

Most games that are considered easy arent actually easy. Players just dont notice the powercreep theyve obtained over the course of the game or the fact theyve played the particular content so much they now have it down pat. On the flip side, most of the gamers, as I said 30 and above, are no longer in College or High School. Theyve got a job, a family and a lot of responsibilities. They dont have time to commit to what you mistake as a challenge but is only actual arbitrary grinding. Game Companies are aware of this when they create a game. They know their demographic and they know that if theyre going for any age group outside of the average college and high school years. Theyre going to be looking at players that cant commit 8-16 hours of their time daily.

But hey, if youre the golden standard of the older generation. With this serious lack of knowledge of things you seem to have no issue weighing in on. Maybe the real problem is the people retiring and becoming too forgetful to keep up with the content.

dday3six wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

IMO the lack of hardship of any kind in the life of the younger generation. They grew up in relative wealthy families and get all handed to them for free and in abundance and that makes them feel entitled and spoiled. It is not just a matter of the gaming communities, it is a matter of modern society in a whole. This happened.

You must only interact with the privileged. Pass through any lower classed area even in a first world nation and you'll see plenty of hardship. The majority is not relatively wealthy, and nothing is handed to them for free. People see decadence on display via the internet but they are foolish to think that luxury spills over to everyone.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So I just left a group create from the activity finder, filled with people talking about how they're tired of playing with randoms and scrubs, so I asked them what they've done to assist randoms and these so-called scrubs. And what did I receive as an answer? A barrage of insults claiming how I'm "clearly a no-life", because I have stormproof as my title and how the problem with ESO is that it's filled with a bunch of nerds, who expect everyone to play flawlessly. Keep in mind, this was coming from an individual who no lie kept standing in red circles, and was adamantly claiming that it was the healer's job to heal them through the damage they were receiving...

Things are bad, guys... And real bad... We have to make a difference. We just have to. Because what I just experienced was unacceptable.

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Everything so easy in games now, back in the day PK someone and become banished from access to anything and on death lose items and xp.

All games now cater to soft players who want to play wrapped up in cotton wool.

Audigy wrote: »

This is a very complex topic,

a topic that can hardly be solved over night.

1. When we were out

Gaming at first, was for people who wanted to gather and enjoy their friendship. Most of us elder people will remember, how we went to the Pacman machine or played pinball and space invaders, with our friends. It was a time, when we had only two tv channels and no money for the newest LP by our favorite band. A time, when we couldn't just jump into a bus or train and drive over to the next big city, no it was our little world that we were living in. A small club that we improved every week, a little tree house where we met, it was our precious and we worked damn hard to make it shine.

Back then, we all relied on each other, we looked out for the young ones and were at times lectured by the older ones.

2. When we went home

At the end of the 80´s, the computer systems became much smaller and we no longer had to insert coins to play, as one of our friends or better put, the parents had an Amiga or Commodore, on which we could play on, for free and we were even served refreshments, by the parents or that annoying little sister, who had a crush on us.

While the parents bought it for work, they let us play and so we did. Again, our friends came over or we visited them, our tight community shared walkthroughs with each other and we met new people all the time, as our friends knew someone who could fix something, so our phone list´s were growing, so were our bills. Honestly, who doesn't remember the phone calls late at night, "hey, do you know how I can get past that riddle at Monkey Island, I am stuck!".

Again, we relied on each other, as we needed our friends to trade games or get help if we were stuck.

3. When we closed doors

Over the years, we increased our collection of games and the internet started to appear. We now met friends on ICQ, MSN & Co. or the usual chat room of our beloved online games. We no longer phoned or visited us, no we talked inside a virtual reality and slowly lost track, of those around us.

If our friends in town, were unavailable, we looked for new ones and those were always available, as the internet never sleeps. We found that guy from China, who was always playing in the morning when we skipped school and were sick, as for him, it was late in the afternoon and if we couldn´t sleep, we played with the fellow American, who just came home from work. Life and entertainment became a 24/7 business and we were able to never leave that room and close our doors from those, who we once called friends.
Our friends now, were to be found on Facebook and twitter, we share with them how we visit the toilet, how we dump our gf and how we illegally downloaded the newest game. Said friends, are an unlimited source, if we *** one off, a new one is waiting, something that we couldn´t do when we once started, as our friend, knew other friends and playing bad, was pretty much the T.KO for our little world, that we once lived in.

4. When we died

For me, gaming as it once existed, does no longer exist and if we are honest, then something has died over the years. I am in the lucky position of not being addicted to FB, I use it for work, but that´s it. But I know many who rely on FB more than on their own family. They share everything there and do not select friends based on character, but benefit.

Said selection, happens in online gaming since years. We all know the guild life, don´t we? You will invite people who make your raids more successful, you will invite those who have useful professions or builds, those who are very good players and available if needed.
There is no time, to invite the mother who has to leave the raid to look after her baby, there is also no space for the dad who has to work late shifts and might run off, to date a female.

Guilds, but also FB groups and pretty much anything that happens online, has a purpose for every single one of us and if we no longer gain a benefit from it, we just dump it and look further. Nobody, seems interested in fixing things anymore, why should we?
We can leave a game we no longer enjoy, find a better raid guild that is faster, a new partner with even more money who is younger, we can find a new "best" friend within seconds, so why invest in a friendship these days? Everything exists in an unlimited amount, we replace our hobbies, habits and humans like our daily socks.

At the same time, our governments and the society we live in, tell us every day that if we don´t deliver, then we are out. At first it was at our working place, but today it´s in every single game or community. If you can no longer serve your purpose, you are out and this creates that hostile elitism, that we encounter everywhere these days. What happened to "everyone can be a winner"? It´s gone, today you either serve or lose.

People tend to think about their own at first, that´s what humans do, if they see their own wealth in danger and it´s forced by our "elders" those in charge at job offices, companies and the governments. Guess why, we have that disastrous situation right now, we have all these war´s and threats, as everyone is trying to protect what little he or she has.


In the end, only we as a society can change, but it will take more than a few rocks, to build us a new Rome, this time.

me_ming wrote: »

E-sports will never be a considered a real sport.

Prior to ESO, I played LoL (League of Legends), and prior to LoL I played DoTA, but before that I was a captain of my Volleyball team in my University. The reason why E-sports will never be considered a real sport is it's just a bunch of nerds trying to convince themselves they can be good at some things. These are people who play video games because they can't play real sports, because if they do they'd know what it means to be in a team. They'd know what teamwork is. They would know that it is more advantageous for them to help that teammate that is struggling than flaming on them. They would have the patience to help someone who doesn't know mechanic. They would not rage quite, they would endure. And most importantly they would be gracious enough to admit defeat.

Yeah, sure not everyone who plays real sports are sportsman-like, but gamers in general, and across all games I've played, are salty. They cry everytime their main champion/hero/class/race is nerfed. They will whisper you when they died to you OR when they killed you, calling you names. They would not know how to appreciate a worthy opponent. They would rather think they are the best.

Not saying I have not been toxic to my fellow gamers, I will admit I have fired back when provoked, but that is why I don't play LoL and DoTA as much anymore. And at first, I thought the ESO community was different. Because when I first played the game people were fairly constructive. I guess, I was mistaken.

me_ming wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

E-sports will never be a considered a real sport.

Prior to ESO, I played LoL (League of Legends), and prior to LoL I played DoTA, but before that I was a captain of my Volleyball team in my University. The reason why E-sports will never be considered a real sport is it's just a bunch of nerds trying to convince themselves they can be good at some things. These are people who play video games because they can't play real sports, because if they do they'd know what it means to be in a team. They'd know what teamwork is. They would know that it is more advantageous for them to help that teammate that is struggling than flaming on them. They would have the patience to help someone who doesn't know mechanic. They would not rage quite, they would endure. And most importantly they would be gracious enough to admit defeat.

Yeah, sure not everyone who plays real sports are sportsman-like, but gamers in general, and across all games I've played, are salty. They cry everytime their main champion/hero/class/race is nerfed. They will whisper you when they died to you OR when they killed you, calling you names. They would not know how to appreciate a worthy opponent. They would rather think they are the best.

Not saying I have not been toxic to my fellow gamers, I will admit I have fired back when provoked, but that is why I don't play LoL and DoTA as much anymore. And at first, I thought the ESO community was different. Because when I first played the game people were fairly constructive. I guess, I was mistaken.

Oh well. Tell that to the teams that make tons of money, and all the people that go and watch them. Can't get that without team play. Just because you're not good at it or don't like it, it's still a major thing for a lot of people. I personally find baseball or cricket to be incredibly boring and american football to be really stupid. That doesn't make an argument, though.

Team play? Lol. Gamers flame at each other, even to their teammates. You call that team play? I am good at what I am doing, and I like video games, I just find it funny how the gaming community consider themselves a "sport" when they don't know the first thing about how it is to be (at least) a good sportsman. And yes, it's a major thing to some people, that doesn't make it a sport. lol.

Then again you've never actually played a real sport in your life and be good at it, right? So you probably won't understand. All good, I understand.