Magicka Sorc dungeon advice

Kyye · May 2016

Need some advice for dungeon running on my sorc. Getting over my 'alt'-idous I'm finally gonnna hit max level for the current patch. Mostly every skill line along with morphs are leveled 50/IV so my options are open for my bars. I'm sure my most efficiency will come as DPS. Currently running 5 Seducer 3 Magnus gift.

What dungeons have valuable loot? Like I've said, i have a lot of alts so any gear would probably be useul.
What should my bars look like?
Anything else that i need to be aware of?

Waffennacht · May 2016

Do you mean max level or max CP?

If max CP then you shouldn't run seducer as your cp reduction will get you there along with regen etc.

If you mean lvl 50 (or currently v16) then sure that gear is fine.

All vet dungeons drop valuable helms, vMA has good drops (300 or more CPs recommended)

Very valuable sets in vWGT and vIP

Kyye · May 2016

I'm going for v16. Currently i feel confident in my gear however I'm sure on AoE dps and maxing dps. Sorcs are already undesirable as dps so i want to 'get gud'

KingWhyteboi · May 2016

lose the seducer for pve 5 juliannos 2 kena with thief is really strong or you can 5 juliannos rest magnus until you get kena

greylox · May 2016

Just throwing it out there...the julianos combo is well used and is the best but I'm not into min maxing and have still done all the 4 man dungeons for gold with

4 bahara's curse armour with 2 arch mage/magicka/divine
Nerien'eth helm/magicka/impen
willpower rings necklace arcane/spell damage
Bahara's flame/resto staff / spell crit

all gold (apart from rings and necklace obviously)

Bar one: liquid lightning, pulsar, crushing shock, clannfear, twilight tormentor - greater atronach
Bar two: Empowered ward, daedric prey, power surge,(same two pets) - suppression field

undaunted mettle only 1/2 atm. hp 20k/mag36-37k/stam 11k (with blue lvl15 health/mag food) ...mag regen over 1000 with major sorcery spell damage just 3k

Solo'd plenty dungeons with this setup

It's a good setup that I'm having fun with and helps in dungeons with the high BC proc

Waffennacht · May 2016

greylox wrote: »

Just throwing it out there...the julianos combo is well used and is the best but I'm not into min maxing and have still done all the 4 man dungeons for gold with

4 bahara's curse armour with 2 arch mage/magicka/divine
Nerien'eth helm/magicka/impen
willpower rings necklace arcane/spell damage
Bahara's flame/resto staff / spell crit

all gold (apart from rings and necklace obviously)

Bar one: liquid lightning, pulsar, crushing shock, clannfear, twilight tormentor - greater atronach
Bar two: Empowered ward, daedric prey, power surge,(same two pets) - suppression field

undaunted mettle only 1/2 atm. hp 20k/mag36-37k/stam 11k (with blue lvl15 health/mag food) ...mag regen over 1000 with major sorcery spell damage just 3k

Solo'd plenty dungeons with this setup

It's a good setup that I'm having fun with and helps in dungeons with the high BC proc

I like your build, aren't a lot of those peices drops? Just gonna be hard to get.

Julianos is the best, easiest to make armor. Good suggestions all round.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

Bahraha's Curse pieces are surprisingly cheap as its one of two most common acquired sets, the other being Syvarra Scales.

Thelon · May 2016

http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/sorcerer-class/

DRXHarbinger · May 2016

Twice born star. Far better than Julianos.

Thelon · May 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Twice born star. Far better than Julianos.

@DRXHarbinger

False, I believe you're omitting the changes made to Elfborn in the TG patch:

Due to changes to Elfborn and skills that increase critical damage, TBS is no longer optimal from a DPS point of view. In the spreadsheets below, I have introduced a new metric called the Combined Metric. This metric was introduced because staff attacks scale differently from abilities. For most abilities 10.5 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage but for staff attacks 40 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage. To obtain the Combined Metric, I assume approximately 15% of total dps comes from Heavy (Medium Attacks) and 85% comes from abilities, then the weighted average of the Ability and Attack metric results in the Combined Metric.

We see then that for the Combined Metric on staffs, Law of Julianos is better by about 1.5%. Previously, my calculations showed that Law of Julianos was ~0.5% better than TBS but that was without taking into account the higher Attack Metric. On the dual wield bar, we should use the Ability Metric since no weaves are used and in this situation Julianos is better by around 0.5%.

If you were to replace one magicka enchantment on a large piece in favour of health so that the Health with Julianos and Twice-Born Star are comparable then on the staff bar Julianos is better by 0.1% but worse by 0.1% on the dual wield bar. To help put all these percentage differences into context, my rough calculations suggest that not having Divines on one piece (maybe you have been unlucky and have a bank full of Well-Fitted Molag Kena shoulders/helm) equates to a loss of ~0.5%

I’ve heard of people saying that Twice-Born Star is better with lower CP but I have yet to see extensive calculations that demonstrate this. Using the spreadsheets below, I varied the amount of CP by adjusting both the number of points invested into the Mage Tree and assumed that the first 100 points will be put into Elemental Expert followed by all points (up to 66) into Elfborn. While this CP distribution is not absolutely optimal, it is reasonably close. In this case, even with 100 Mage CP (300 total CP) Julianos is better than Twice-Born Star on the staff bar (0.3%). On the Dual-Wield bar, Julianos outperforms Twice-Born Star at 129 Mage CP (387 total CP)

Note: Ignore the Magicka Recovery and Spell Cost boxes. I was too lazy to move them away before I took the pictures.

Twice-Born Star Staff

Twice-Born Star Dual Wield

Law of Julianos Staff

Law of Julianos Dual Wield

Source:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

DRXHarbinger · May 2016

Thelon wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Twice born star. Far better than Julianos.

@DRXHarbinger

False, I believe you're omitting the changes made to Elfborn in the TG patch:

Due to changes to Elfborn and skills that increase critical damage, TBS is no longer optimal from a DPS point of view. In the spreadsheets below, I have introduced a new metric called the Combined Metric. This metric was introduced because staff attacks scale differently from abilities. For most abilities 10.5 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage but for staff attacks 40 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage. To obtain the Combined Metric, I assume approximately 15% of total dps comes from Heavy (Medium Attacks) and 85% comes from abilities, then the weighted average of the Ability and Attack metric results in the Combined Metric.

We see then that for the Combined Metric on staffs, Law of Julianos is better by about 1.5%. Previously, my calculations showed that Law of Julianos was ~0.5% better than TBS but that was without taking into account the higher Attack Metric. On the dual wield bar, we should use the Ability Metric since no weaves are used and in this situation Julianos is better by around 0.5%.

If you were to replace one magicka enchantment on a large piece in favour of health so that the Health with Julianos and Twice-Born Star are comparable then on the staff bar Julianos is better by 0.1% but worse by 0.1% on the dual wield bar. To help put all these percentage differences into context, my rough calculations suggest that not having Divines on one piece (maybe you have been unlucky and have a bank full of Well-Fitted Molag Kena shoulders/helm) equates to a loss of ~0.5%

I’ve heard of people saying that Twice-Born Star is better with lower CP but I have yet to see extensive calculations that demonstrate this. Using the spreadsheets below, I varied the amount of CP by adjusting both the number of points invested into the Mage Tree and assumed that the first 100 points will be put into Elemental Expert followed by all points (up to 66) into Elfborn. While this CP distribution is not absolutely optimal, it is reasonably close. In this case, even with 100 Mage CP (300 total CP) Julianos is better than Twice-Born Star on the staff bar (0.3%). On the Dual-Wield bar, Julianos outperforms Twice-Born Star at 129 Mage CP (387 total CP)

Note: Ignore the Magicka Recovery and Spell Cost boxes. I was too lazy to move them away before I took the pictures.

Twice-Born Star Staff

Twice-Born Star Dual Wield

Law of Julianos Staff

Law of Julianos Dual Wield

Source:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

Nope. I put minimal CP into elf born. Sorcs don't need it, surge gives you full heals from frags and overload makes you nigh invincible.

Dump them all into elemental expert, then put 20 into elf born, then the rest and higher amount into spell erosion,

On the staff bar dump bound aegis, for elemental drain, most bosses will instantly be at zero or minimum resistance. Overloads hit for 44k on crit as it is, procd frags are 28k, heavy attacks are 21k. Look at that way it's far simpler, weave for a heavy, crushing shock and procd frag, on crit you're talking stupid damage, 2 overloads per second I'm no maths scientist here but that's 88k dps.

I get people run tests, but assuming that set up was for a sorc and not a NB as mainly NB run Tbs, and most set ups use bound aegis because delta said so like 2 years ago, it works best for me and gets vma done in under an hour, using Julianos I couldn't get it done in under an hour, so in reality my set up is giving me far superior dps, smashed it for 535k yesterday. Easy.

Thelon · May 2016

Math doesn't lie

byrdmanwes · May 2016

Thelon wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Twice born star. Far better than Julianos.

@DRXHarbinger

False, I believe you're omitting the changes made to Elfborn in the TG patch:

Due to changes to Elfborn and skills that increase critical damage, TBS is no longer optimal from a DPS point of view. In the spreadsheets below, I have introduced a new metric called the Combined Metric. This metric was introduced because staff attacks scale differently from abilities. For most abilities 10.5 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage but for staff attacks 40 Max Magicka ~ 1 Spell Damage. To obtain the Combined Metric, I assume approximately 15% of total dps comes from Heavy (Medium Attacks) and 85% comes from abilities, then the weighted average of the Ability and Attack metric results in the Combined Metric.

We see then that for the Combined Metric on staffs, Law of Julianos is better by about 1.5%. Previously, my calculations showed that Law of Julianos was ~0.5% better than TBS but that was without taking into account the higher Attack Metric. On the dual wield bar, we should use the Ability Metric since no weaves are used and in this situation Julianos is better by around 0.5%.

If you were to replace one magicka enchantment on a large piece in favour of health so that the Health with Julianos and Twice-Born Star are comparable then on the staff bar Julianos is better by 0.1% but worse by 0.1% on the dual wield bar. To help put all these percentage differences into context, my rough calculations suggest that not having Divines on one piece (maybe you have been unlucky and have a bank full of Well-Fitted Molag Kena shoulders/helm) equates to a loss of ~0.5%

I’ve heard of people saying that Twice-Born Star is better with lower CP but I have yet to see extensive calculations that demonstrate this. Using the spreadsheets below, I varied the amount of CP by adjusting both the number of points invested into the Mage Tree and assumed that the first 100 points will be put into Elemental Expert followed by all points (up to 66) into Elfborn. While this CP distribution is not absolutely optimal, it is reasonably close. In this case, even with 100 Mage CP (300 total CP) Julianos is better than Twice-Born Star on the staff bar (0.3%). On the Dual-Wield bar, Julianos outperforms Twice-Born Star at 129 Mage CP (387 total CP)

Note: Ignore the Magicka Recovery and Spell Cost boxes. I was too lazy to move them away before I took the pictures.

Twice-Born Star Staff

Twice-Born Star Dual Wield

Law of Julianos Staff

Law of Julianos Dual Wield

Source:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

Bigger issue I see with all of the "math" he does is how many times he "assumes" with his calculations. Making assumptions when it comes to math mean the math is wrong.....

Mush55 · May 2016

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

lose the seducer for pve 5 juliannos 2 kena with thief is really strong or you can 5 juliannos rest magnus until you get kena

This......................

Thelon · May 2016

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Bigger issue I see with all of the "math" he does is how many times he "assumes" with his calculations. Making assumptions when it comes to math mean the math is wrong.....

@byrdmanwes

Bigger issue I see is that you forgot to post your superior, assumption-free calculations.

DRXHarbinger · May 2016

Thelon wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Bigger issue I see with all of the "math" he does is how many times he "assumes" with his calculations. Making assumptions when it comes to math mean the math is wrong.....

@byrdmanwes

Bigger issue I see is that you forgot to post your superior, assumption-free calculations.

Ok so this guy in the post was asked.

Why do you take Weapon critical into account in your formulas regarding the examination of the Scathing Mage set? As I understand it, staff weapons work off of Spell Critical, not Weapon Critical. So, those values will change with a higher critical chance for your light attacks. Am I missing the point of including Weapon Critical here?

And he replied

I didn’t realise staff attacks work of the Spell Critical. Thanks for that. I’ve updated it accordingly. Turns our the Shadow becomes slightly better. It appears that these things are like very well balanced or maybe I’m just unlucky with the value of my Magicka and Spell Damage.

So I guess I wouldn't take anything this one actually posts as gospel.

Plus as said no mention of build or attack rotation, I get you may be a fan boy etc but just because one guys says so and gets a basic stat wrong I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

Still my fact is Tbs is superior. You can post all the math you like, remember on paper aircraft don't fly but they do.

byrdmanwes · May 2016

In it he says that he's assuming 15% of damage dealt is from heavy attacks in what he is calling " combined metric"...... that's what I'm referring too

Kyye · May 2016

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

lose the seducer for pve 5 juliannos 2 kena with thief is really strong or you can 5 juliannos rest magnus until you get kena

Going with this for now. Post below his seems very effective and will try a mix of these abilities. Thank you all this has been more informative then I'd imagine. I love our community!

Kyye · May 2016

I like the thinking going on but I cant craft TBS anyways..sooo I'm running Julianos and still debating staff or dw.