[ZOS please reconsider] Ability to hide CP ranks and account name

Darth_Trumpious · May 2016

After reviewing the discussion on forum, I believe that CP rank AND account name SHOULD NOT be displayed completely, at least without an option to hide them;

My reasons are listed below:

Account name:

1. Account security problems with account name shown
2. In-game harassment - easier to receive hate whispers / harassing tells from other players when you have your account name shown

CP ranks:

1. Creates Elitism - people will kick lowbies and bar them from enjoying the game contents if the CP is not "optimal" when it comes to grouping
2. What's the difference between CP rank 501 and 1501? Zero. Thus showing the ranks above current cap is misleading and confusing
5. For a player with high vet ranks - if he does good in Cyrodiil or PVE "OMG he is a cheater with that large amount of CP" "I lost because he has more CPs than me, OMG remove CP system"; If he fails in Cyrodiil or PVE "lol what a sucker ima gonna screenshot and brag about beating him". Jealousy and hates will do more harm than good here.

Overall, the current setting on the PTS is going to create more hates and drama in the already toxic game environment. I believe ZOS's intention is to encourage competition, but this has gone way too far IMHO. Please reconsider to revise the current setting, or at least offer people an option to hide their CP ranks and account names if we prefer. Thank you for listening and please reconsider your decision on PTS.

Make ESO great again and build walls, instead displaying the CP ranks and account name!

Ghost-Shot · May 2016

I like that CP is displayed, this game caters to casuals a little too much already.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

It's not even what ur reasons are but that CP isn't a level. It isn't progression like a character level or VR.

VR is gone.....let it be gone this don't show CP and instead show 50.
For NPCs shows 49-56

Van_0S · May 2016

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

CP ranks:

5. a player with high vet ranks - if he does good in Cyrodiil or PVE "OMG he is a cheater with that large amount of CP" "I lost because he has more CPs than me, OMG remove CP system"; If he fails in Cyrodiil or PVE "lol what a sucker ima gonna screenshot and brag about beating him". Jealousy and hates will do more harm than good here.

Overall, the current setting on the PTS is going to create more hates and drama in the already toxic game environment . I believe ZOS's intention is to encourage competition, but this has gone way too far IMHO. Please reconsider to revise the current setting, or at least offer people an option to hide their CP ranks and account names if we prefer. Thank you for listening and please reconsider your decision on PTS.

I never thought that way!!
Your thread is Very insightful!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Woeler · May 2016

1. Have opinion
2. Add something with "elitism"
3. ???
4. Win argument

And accountnames have been visible since launch, just need an addon, or a guild, or a friendlist. lol.

Decado · May 2016

To be honest I don't care, I could get your account name really simply if I wanted, as woeler pointed out another easy wayway would be click you character name and add you to ignore list, it adds @name not character name,

For all the people worried about elitism don't be, the kinda people who would kick you for being below the cap generally don't PuG (I know some do but not all)

Some of us will actually help you, for example I lead trials in a friendly guild, if I see someone it low CP I know they are newer to the game so I can give them extra advice, I won't kick them for it, don't be so negative. As for what's the difference between 1501 and 501? Experience someone who has that many CPs knows the game and their char,

As for pvp well I've been hate whispered called everything from a macro using cheater to a zerger, people will always complain and find excuses to why they lost, nobody is ever just plain better than someone anymore lol

Aetherderius · May 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

I like that CP is displayed, this game caters to casuals a little too much already.

You do know that casuals make up quite a large portion of the gaming world, right? Not everyone can dedicate an insane amount of time to become a hardcore gamer. Hell, I spend a stupid amount of time playing this and I'm no better than any random casual.

If ZOS changed the game to specifically screw over casuals, as I'm sure you'd enjoy, then they'd lose most of their player base.

kadar · May 2016

This is the first thread I've read about this change....
I generally believe that more information is good (I cried when they killed group damage). Besides having more data, what are the upsides for this change?

notimetocare · May 2016

No. Change is good. CP complaint will fade just as fast as Gear Score complaints in other games.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

CP is one thing, but there is NO good reason to display username. I don't know why ZOS thought it was a good idea to bring the "gamertag" issue from consoles over to the PC.

I already got called by my username once on the PTS, and I HATED it. This in an RPG, remember... what happened to role-playing? This change needs to be reverted or at least made optional.

Arethan09 · May 2016

@Ghost-Shot

Sorry but this game is focusing too much in desires of the "elite" Players i mean 150 for equipment only plays in the hand of the trading guilds and costs too much.

And catering to the casuals, well a game should always be something casual and not something where you have to spend more than 12 hours or more just grinding grinding grinding

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

I like that CP is displayed, this game caters to casuals a little too much already.

I'm pretty casual, but I like displaying CP.

DaveMoeDee · May 2016

Arethan09 wrote: »

@Ghost-Shot

Sorry but this game is focusing too much in desires of the "elite" Players i mean 150 for equipment only plays in the hand of the trading guilds and costs too much.

And catering to the casuals, well a game should always be something casual and not something where you have to spend more than 12 hours or more just grinding grinding grinding

What does this mean:

"i mean 150 for equipment only plays in the hand of the trading guilds"

What does the 150 refer to?

Denidil · May 2016

Software engineer here. Distributed systems at the operating system level, including networking and security.

Account name

1. Myth. Usernames being publicly visible is old as the hills. its not part of security to hide it and does not meaningfully increase security to do so. Email addresses are user names, system accounts are usernames on unix and visible, user names are your handle on chat systems. etc. Have a not-crap password and this is no issue at all.

2. Blocking people by @ solves this

CP Ranks.

1) It could do that, but probably won't often. those people are dickbags either way.

2) I agree. Cap at current max spendable is reasonable

3) They will say that whether or not they see the ranks. silly objection

James-Wayne · May 2016

Remember just because someone has 1501 CP doesn't mean they are an experienced player, anyone can grind the same areas but someone who has learnt the mechanics of the boss fights, learnt how best to play with the skills at their deposable etc is what should be focused on, not how much CP someone does or does not have.

I agree we should be able to hide our @name but CP display is fine even above cap because sometimes it's nice to see the grinders from the players.

Grao · May 2016

Darth_Trumpious wrote: »

After reviewing the discussion on forum, I believe that CP rank AND account name SHOULD NOT be displayed completely, at least without an option to hide them;

My reasons are listed below:

Account name:

1. Account security problems with account name shown
2. In-game harassment - easier to receive hate whispers / harassing tells from other players when you have your account name shown

CP ranks:

1. Creates Elitism - people will kick lowbies and bar them from enjoying the game contents if the CP is not "optimal" when it comes to grouping
2. What's the difference between CP rank 501 and 1501? Zero. Thus showing the ranks above current cap is misleading and confusing
5. For a player with high vet ranks - if he does good in Cyrodiil or PVE "OMG he is a cheater with that large amount of CP" "I lost because he has more CPs than me, OMG remove CP system"; If he fails in Cyrodiil or PVE "lol what a sucker ima gonna screenshot and brag about beating him". Jealousy and hates will do more harm than good here.

Overall, the current setting on the PTS is going to create more hates and drama in the already toxic game environment. I believe ZOS's intention is to encourage competition, but this has gone way too far IMHO. Please reconsider to revise the current setting, or at least offer people an option to hide their CP ranks and account names if we prefer. Thank you for listening and please reconsider your decision on PTS.

Make ESO great again and build walls, instead displaying the CP ranks and account name!

I have to agree with your posts. Account Name should only be displayed between friends, if that much. Unfortunately ZoS never considered account names a great secret, why Guilds reveal account names and thus so do addons.

As for Champion Points, it is true it will encourage a certain degree of elitism, specially in a game that does not allow proper tracking of a person's DPS. It is a pity that is where we arrive now.

Abeille · May 2016

I don't mind if people see my Champion Rank and my account name. I just want to hide other's CP and account name when I want to. It is too cluttered and ugly. By the way, anyone has always been able to find your @name by blocking you.

Also, I would like to be able to display name and title on target on the same way that it is on name plates. I really like that some titles are [title][character name] (like my assassin on PTS, "Silencer Beatrice Leoriane") and others are [character name], [title] (like my main, "Aerindel, Daedric Lord Slayer"). I like to see titles and character names like this, but I don't like using name plates.

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2016

I don't mine displaying cp.... but i'd much rather only the cp cap displayed if you have more.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

Yeah I don't care for not having the option. I like my anonymity in the game, especially PvP. Players weren't happy about having their gamertags on console so I don't know why they think PCplayers would like having their accountname out for everyone to see.

lassitershawn · May 2016

I really couldn't give a *** how many CP someone has. I've played with some 200-300 CP players that play a hell of a lot better than some capped players. If someone kicks for low CP, they probably aren't very good themselves. One really good player can carry most (maybe not vICP or vWGT?) dungeons.

As for acc name... just because I'd rather be called by the name of my toon and I'd imagine a lot of RP focused people would as well, I'd say make it an option. As for security, you've always been able to add someone to your ignore list and see their @ name from there.

Wreuntzylla · May 2016

Heck no. Go FURTHER!!!! Add inspect feature to show gear, CP allocations, stats, skills, etc.

No better way to level the playing field for casuals.

SilentRaven1972 · May 2016

I just don't like the extra "clutter", so an option to turn things off would be nice.

actosh · May 2016

Maybe some awesome addondeveloper will find a way to disable this ^^.

We are used to this, imagine ESO if they had never given the option to create addons ^^

Usara · May 2016

Yes account names could be found elsewhere, it's just visually displeasing, even if you can change the display.

Concerning the CP display, I somewhat agree with the OP.

I have wayyyyy more CP than the cap, and "elitism" is really not something I am afraid about. But why not display my played time and the amount of gold I have in my bank too while we're at it ? We went from no name plates to too-much-information in one DLC

But at least, show the CP SPENT and not won. Nobody needs to know some people are at 800-1000 CP : 501 is the max spent anyway, so like OP was saying, it will be confusing for some (a lot.....) of people.

And it would be so much more useful : I once played with a v16 who had spent NONE of his CP, because... reasons. And I was wondering why he was so bad... And when we tried to explain him that he had to spend them, well he ignored us. Yeah, those kind of people, I'd definitely avoid even for Wayrest Sewers...

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

Yeah people can figure out what your account name is easily if they wanted to. My thing is people like myself log in to play as a character in the game and this takes something away from that. Account Name is sometimes personal too and I know some people will use their real name.

I am not DEFCON negative 10 on it, but I think it should be an option.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Usara wrote: »

Yes account names could be found elsewhere, it's just visually displeasing, even if you can change the display.

Concerning the CP display, I somewhat agree with the OP.

I have wayyyyy more CP than the cap, and "elitism" is really not something I am afraid about. But why not display my played time and the amount of gold I have in my bank too while we're at it ? We went from no name plates to too-much-information in one DLC

But at least, show the CP SPENT and not won. Nobody needs to know some people are at 800-1000 CP : 501 is the max spent anyway, so like OP was saying, it will be confusing for some (a lot.....) of people.

And it would be so much more useful : I once played with a v16 who had spent NONE of his CP, because... reasons. And I was wondering why he was so bad... And when we tried to explain him that he had to spend them, well he ignored us. Yeah, those kind of people, I'd definitely avoid even for Wayrest Sewers...

You anwered your own question there.
He wasnt as good as you with all you CP points.
Perhaps that was the idea ?
Perhaps he didnt want to faceroll content.
Perhaps he felt CS was supposed to be versatility and not empowerment.

Who are you to dictate someone else build ?
Never ceases to amaze me the amount of little tyrants we have running around.

Xvorg · May 2016

If you don't like elitism related to CPs display... then go to play to Azura... where your CPs mean nothing.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

Denidil wrote: »

Software engineer here. Distributed systems at the operating system level, including networking and security.

Account name

1. Myth. Usernames being publicly visible is old as the hills. its not part of security to hide it and does not meaningfully increase security to do so. Email addresses are user names, system accounts are usernames on unix and visible, user names are your handle on chat systems. etc. Have a not-crap password and this is no issue at all.

2. Blocking people by @ solves this

CP Ranks.

1) It could do that, but probably won't often. those people are dickbags either way.

2) I agree. Cap at current max spendable is reasonable

3) They will say that whether or not they see the ranks. silly objection

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Denidil · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

So when you're at your workplace, do people address you in conversation by your email address? As in, "Hey denidil@softwarecompany.com, how was that Mets game?" Because that's EXACTLY what is starting to happen in chats on the PTS. This is extremely annoying to anyone who cares about role-playing. Got any engineering solutions for that?

Casuals in /zone are not going to use the name you want to, or talk to you in the way you want no matter what you do. Stop trying to impede functionality because you don't want to have to ignore it for your play style.. My @ also happens to be chosen to be the same as the first name of all 8 of my characters so it makes zero difference to me.

My coworkers usually refer to me by name, and our email addresses can be aliased either as First.Last@EvilEmpire.com or our alias@EvilEmpire.com. Our alias is derived from our name. I have a chat addon that can optionally display Char name, @Name, or both. I have it set to both because its hard to keep track of guildies otherwise.

Minno · May 2016

Also consider the fact this change was probably console based in that they don't have add ons or a text chat to easily reference.

Only people affected are RP players and RP guilds.

Rest of us just have to deal.

Kattemynte · May 2016

I agree that the @names should be hidden or given the setting to hide from other players (except friends, guilds, etc.). In regards to CP and what is shown, I have not seen it myself but if it displays your total CP (over 160) it should only show up to 160 instead.