Power Bash and the fact that it does not CC

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

When did my knowledge come from someone on stream? Lmao, I tested this damn skill myself, the person I was responding to brought up Sypher and I used him as a reference because of it. And I'd be completely fine if it just CC'd and not stunned and disorientated someone, but I honestly don't see how that is an issue.

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh.

It's because Disorient works on targets with CC immunity, and that person can not break the disorient themselves. Only once they are damaged does the disorient break (except Rune Prison). Disorient allowed you to basically "psuedo-stun" players and non-boss NPC for like 20+ seconds as long as you don't damage them. This is why people used it even before some discovered and abused a bug with it in PvP.

What the TG patch did was it fixed the bug where CC-Immunity wasn't triggering because you were constantly getting Disoriented before getting a chance to gain CC-Immunity from breaking the Stun. Even though the damage from Reverberating Bash would disable the Disorient, it would immediately be reapplied each time it was used on you. This is what people abused and it was what they fixed. After TG, you were always stunned on the first application and not repetitively thus you could Break Free immediately.

What they didn't change was the Disorient, it would still hit you even while having CC-Immunity. This is also what led to people disagreeing whether Bash was actually fixed. If someone hit you with it, there would still be that time before you were damaged that you felt stunned although you could Break Free. Similar to how Lotus Fan kinda feels. So like I said, the stun wasn't the issue. It was the disorient that was causing public issues with the ability and forced it's change for DB.

Ah, I see. I never noticed it with the disorient as the disorient happens 2 seconds after the stun. I can see how it can cause issues as these are 2 different CC effects being applied to one. Like I said tho, I'm all for the disorient being removed, just keep the stun

Ampnode · May 2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

When did my knowledge come from someone on stream? Lmao, I tested this damn skill myself, the person I was responding to brought up Sypher and I used him as a reference because of it. And I'd be completely fine if it just CC'd and not stunned and disorientated someone, but I honestly don't see how that is an issue.

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh.

It's because Disorient works on targets with CC immunity, and that person can not break the disorient themselves. Only once they are damaged does the disorient break (except Rune Prison). Disorient allowed you to basically "psuedo-stun" players and non-boss NPC for like 20+ seconds as long as you don't damage them. This is why people used it even before some discovered and abused a bug with it in PvP.

What the TG patch did was it fixed the bug where CC-Immunity wasn't triggering because you were constantly getting Disoriented before getting a chance to gain CC-Immunity from breaking the Stun. Even though the damage from Reverberating Bash would disable the Disorient, it would immediately be reapplied each time it was used on you. This is what people abused and it was what they fixed. After TG, you were always stunned on the first application and not repetitively thus you could Break Free immediately.

What they didn't change was the Disorient, it would still hit you even while having CC-Immunity. This is also what led to people disagreeing whether Bash was actually fixed. If someone hit you with it, there would still be that time before you were damaged that you felt stunned although you could Break Free. Similar to how Lotus Fan kinda feels. So like I said, the stun wasn't the issue. It was the disorient that was causing public issues with the ability and forced it's change for DB.

Real quick... Why did you create this quote when it wasn't him that said it?

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh.

Anyway, I'm still confused as to why you're saying that the skill is bugged on live. Played for a solid month after TG patch released and not once did I have a problem with it. Before TG I hated the ability with a passion because how cheese it was. Now? Never once complained about it since they actually fixed it.

Stam builds need more options for stamina-based CCs. More magicka-based CCs = less use of CCs = no stam issues = infinite resource pools = everlasting fights = "Hey, good fight but this is lasting forever." If you THINK the disorient is still the problem, then you should be advocating to remove JUST the disorient and not the CC altogether. Don't dare say use Invasion as a CC. As if we're going to step backwards every time we want to CC someone. This is NOT practical whatsoever.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Ampnode wrote: »

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

When did my knowledge come from someone on stream? Lmao, I tested this damn skill myself, the person I was responding to brought up Sypher and I used him as a reference because of it. And I'd be completely fine if it just CC'd and not stunned and disorientated someone, but I honestly don't see how that is an issue.

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh.

It's because Disorient works on targets with CC immunity, and that person can not break the disorient themselves. Only once they are damaged does the disorient break (except Rune Prison). Disorient allowed you to basically "psuedo-stun" players and non-boss NPC for like 20+ seconds as long as you don't damage them. This is why people used it even before some discovered and abused a bug with it in PvP.

What the TG patch did was it fixed the bug where CC-Immunity wasn't triggering because you were constantly getting Disoriented before getting a chance to gain CC-Immunity from breaking the Stun. Even though the damage from Reverberating Bash would disable the Disorient, it would immediately be reapplied each time it was used on you. This is what people abused and it was what they fixed. After TG, you were always stunned on the first application and not repetitively thus you could Break Free immediately.

What they didn't change was the Disorient, it would still hit you even while having CC-Immunity. This is also what led to people disagreeing whether Bash was actually fixed. If someone hit you with it, there would still be that time before you were damaged that you felt stunned although you could Break Free. Similar to how Lotus Fan kinda feels. So like I said, the stun wasn't the issue. It was the disorient that was causing public issues with the ability and forced it's change for DB.

Real quick... Why did you create this quote when it wasn't him that said it?

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh.

Anyway, I'm still confused as to why you're saying that the skill is bugged on live. Played for a solid month after TG patch released and not once did I have a problem with it. Before TG I hated the ability with a passion because how cheese it was. Now? Never once complained about it since they actually fixed it.

Stam builds need more options for stamina-based CCs. More magicka-based CCs = less use of CCs = no stam issues = infinite resource pools = everlasting fights = "Hey, good fight but this is lasting forever." If you THINK the disorient is still the problem, then you should be advocating to remove JUST the disorient and not the CC altogether. Don't dare say use Invasion as a CC. As if we're going to step backwards every time we want to CC someone. This is NOT practical whatsoever.

Thank you, I love you for this.

And LOL I just saw that *** quote. I've had reverb on my bar for ages, jesus some people.

KallistaBlackheart · May 2016

not sure about pvp usage as i do not pvp on my tank. but for short term mob control PB is great, now that the short cc is being removed i am not sure it is worth it anymore. i think zos needs to reconsider this one. perhaps keep the pve stun.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

KallistaBlackheart wrote: »

not sure about pvp usage as i do not pvp on my tank. but for short term mob control PB is great, now that the short cc is being removed i am not sure it is worth it anymore. i think zos needs to reconsider this one. perhaps keep the pve stun.

Ah so it's good in PvE as well.

I found this skill extremely good in PvP as a S&B user does NOT have good burst unless you invest highly into damage, sacrificing a lot of sustain which is crucial to S&B. So anyways, the heal debuff from Reverb would be incredibly good for wearing targets down.

The other reason why it's extremely good is because you could use it to keep CC and pressure on someone every 6 seconds. And if YOU'RE under pressure you use the CC to relieve that pressure and get the enemy off you.

slumber_sandb16_ESO · May 2016

Power Bash needs more damage. Slightly higher damage than puncture, twice the stamina cost, no CC. If its going to be a pure damage morph then add more damage to it or cut the stamina cost by 50% when the effect procs. Spamming puncture does more damage even with the 25% damage proc.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

Ampnode wrote: »

Real quick... Why did you create this quote when it wasn't him that said it?

Fixed, thank you.

I quoted his other post where he responded to Ferret and I got them mixed up when deleting the comments. Sorry Yoyuyi.

I didn't say it was bugged on Live. I just said that Disorient was the issue with the ability, simply that nothing more. I know it was fixed of the cheesy Stun-spam, but still people argue it was only "sorta" fixed. I am guessing that is why both CCs were removed.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Ye I guess. I just didn't see an issue, but by all means, leave the stun and remove the disorient

Xsorus · May 2016

The damage is way to low on this ability.

Some_Guy · May 2016

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

Xsorus · May 2016

They should make Power Slam into something like an AOE attack... Or ***..give it Major Brutality or something....

Jade1986 · May 2016

KallistaBlackheart wrote: »

not sure about pvp usage as i do not pvp on my tank. but for short term mob control PB is great, now that the short cc is being removed i am not sure it is worth it anymore. i think zos needs to reconsider this one. perhaps keep the pve stun.

ZoS seems to be on a crusade against sword and shield to be honest. Block price increased, bracing removed from HA, PB not having a stun anymore. :'(

Powerpeach · May 2016

This needs to be changed back and left alone after they fixed the stun in the last patch nobody has been complaining about this skill anymore.

Galvanize · May 2016

They're only removing the CC because they cant fix it, I really hope they don't continue with this change, there isn't much stamina CC besides binding javelin and drain shot.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

They did fix it tho... for like the 100th time. It's fixed. Please go test it in TG right now.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Some_Guy wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

you need to calm the hell down lol

Some_Guy · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

you need to calm the hell down lol

I NEED a lol or "haha" button like this ability needs to keep its CC

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Some_Guy wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

you need to calm the hell down lol

I NEED a lol or "haha" button like this ability needs to keep its CC

someone is salt

Attackopsn · May 2016

@Wrobel

The whole point of this ability for arguably all users was the fact that it applied major defile and a cc, while we appreciate your effort to rework this ability, I think many people relied on this as a stamina cc. Draining shot and dizzying swing are useful, but unlike magicka class-based ccs, these have to be slotted on the bar with the correlating weapon. This removal of a popular snb cc limits the usefulness of the skill line, which is why many people here suggest returning some element of the cc back to the ability.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Attackopsn wrote: »

@Wrobel

The whole point of this ability for arguably all users was the fact that it applied major defile and and cc, while we appreciate your effort to rework this ability, I think many people relied on this as a stamina cc. Draining shot and dizzying swing are useful, but unlike magicka class-based ccs, these have to be slotted on the bar with the correlating weapon. This removal of a popular snb cc limits the usefulness of the skill line, which is why many people here suggest returning some element of the cc back to the ability.

exactly, thank you so much for this!

ManDraKE · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

They did fix it tho... for like the 100th time. It's fixed. Please go test it in TG right now.

no is not fixed, they only fixed the problem were it was hitting tought dodge roll and stuff like that. The CC is still bugged, already told you, get hit with shield charge and with reverb, and then tell me the stun is the same. For some reason is the hardest CC to break (well, besides the random unbreakble fear), i can burst people 3 times more easier with reverb than with any other CC in the game, something is wrong.
If you are going to ask for something, at least be honest when you talk about it, you know better than me that reverb is not "fixed".

Some_Guy · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

you need to calm the hell down lol

I NEED a lol or "haha" button like this ability needs to keep its CC

someone is salt

Just the opposite. I love this ability, the way it is working now. I just enjoy the occasional troll as well. But ZOS does have a tendency to "force feed" us fixes that weren't needed because (it feels like) they know what we want more than we know. There's no way PvErs are complaining about this, and the PvPers who are/were, either don't know how to use it, or can't beat it.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

They did fix it tho... for like the 100th time. It's fixed. Please go test it in TG right now.

no is not fixed, they only fixed the problem were it was hitting tought dodge roll and stuff like that. The CC is still bugged, already told you, get hit with shield charge and with reverb, and then tell me the stun is the same. For some reason is the hardest CC to break (well, besides the random unbreakble fear), i can burst people 3 times more easier with reverb than with any other CC in the game, something is wrong.
If you are going to ask for something, at least be honest when you talk about it, you know better than me that reverb is not "fixed".

Have you tested it? Because I have. If you're referring to the slide that part is fixed. If you're talking about the double cc portion, that is also fixed. Please extensively test things before going off random assumptions.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Some_Guy wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Some_Guy wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to listen to you. It's like a child who had a "good" idea. They don't want you poking holes in their theory about how to fix something that isn't broken. Just tell them that duct tape, super glue, and a paper clip will make it all better and shut your face hole.
Be happy they even allow you to play this game at all.
Ingrates.
I hope they develop every single game you will ever want to play.
That'll teach you.

you need to calm the hell down lol

I NEED a lol or "haha" button like this ability needs to keep its CC

someone is salt

Just the opposite. I love this ability, the way it is working now. I just enjoy the occasional troll as well. But ZOS does have a tendency to "force feed" us fixes that weren't needed because (it feels like) they know what we want more than we know. There's no way PvErs are complaining about this, and the PvPers who are/were, either don't know how to use it, or can't beat it.

Ya you're actually right. They're trying to "fix" this skill which isn't even broken lmfao.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

@Lord_Hev can you do the dev summoning thing lol

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

thanks, @Wrobel again too, just for good measure.

ManDraKE · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

They did fix it tho... for like the 100th time. It's fixed. Please go test it in TG right now.

no is not fixed, they only fixed the problem were it was hitting tought dodge roll and stuff like that. The CC is still bugged, already told you, get hit with shield charge and with reverb, and then tell me the stun is the same. For some reason is the hardest CC to break (well, besides the random unbreakble fear), i can burst people 3 times more easier with reverb than with any other CC in the game, something is wrong.
If you are going to ask for something, at least be honest when you talk about it, you know better than me that reverb is not "fixed".

Have you tested it? Because I have. If you're referring to the slide that part is fixed. If you're talking about the double cc portion, that is also fixed. Please extensively test things before going off random assumptions.

seems like your alter ego is posting with your account

Yoyuyi999 wrote:

ManDraKE wrote:

They fix one bug with reverb, but is still doing odd things. Get stun with shield charge and get stun with reverb bash, then tell me there is not diference. I don't know what it is, but reverb bash is way more harder to CC break compared to other stuns.

Ya it does seem a bit funky at times. But honestly, they could just change the CC and remove the disorient and keep the stun. I feel like this would solve so much issues.

So ....there are issues or not?
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ZOS_GregoryV · May 2016

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Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

They did fix it tho... for like the 100th time. It's fixed. Please go test it in TG right now.

no is not fixed, they only fixed the problem were it was hitting tought dodge roll and stuff like that. The CC is still bugged, already told you, get hit with shield charge and with reverb, and then tell me the stun is the same. For some reason is the hardest CC to break (well, besides the random unbreakble fear), i can burst people 3 times more easier with reverb than with any other CC in the game, something is wrong.
If you are going to ask for something, at least be honest when you talk about it, you know better than me that reverb is not "fixed".

Have you tested it? Because I have. If you're referring to the slide that part is fixed. If you're talking about the double cc portion, that is also fixed. Please extensively test things before going off random assumptions.

seems like your alter ego is posting with your account

Yoyuyi999 wrote:

ManDraKE wrote:

They fix one bug with reverb, but is still doing odd things. Get stun with shield charge and get stun with reverb bash, then tell me there is not diference. I don't know what it is, but reverb bash is way more harder to CC break compared to other stuns.

Ya it does seem a bit funky at times. But honestly, they could just change the CC and remove the disorient and keep the stun. I feel like this would solve so much issues.

So ....there are issues or not?
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My mistake, I didn't word it the way i wanted, so to speak. I meant in his point of view (which he saw the skill as broken because of the disorient) that if the disorient was removed (which im 100% fine with) then it would fix issues that HE thinks exist. Wether they do or not. Hope this clarifies

Attackopsn · May 2016

I think he means that there are no sliding issues/the ability doesn't even cc anymore, and should they return the cc, they shouldn't include the disorient to avoid any issues returning to the ability