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Sorcerers- The most Under-Powered Class?
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XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭Firerock2, Yes, sorc are a class known for their burst ability. This only will happen if you are not paying attention to what is going on (in pvp). But are they actually even that op? Let's look at NB. Give a magicka NB a vicious death set and whatever other 5 set piece, and he can solo an entire zerg. Surely the sorcs are the problem here. In th ematter of fact, we are good at single target burst. And our ability to stack shield may be annoying, sure. but if you're trying to chase all the way to the end to kill a shield stacking sorc with an overload, run out of stamina and end up dying, it's your fault for chasing someone like that wasting your resources. You're simply out of position.
Anyways, returning to the matter at hand, Sorcs are *** in PVE due to PVP nerfs and changes, and please name me a class that is the bottom tier out of the 4 in PVP, as you seem to have the implication that sorcs are #1, when they are not. If they were the best, shouldn't you be seeing a lot more sorcs? it just makes sense. People want to paly the most powerful class in PVP. So why don't we see sorcs swarming PVP? why do we instead see templars and NB the most?2 -
Americanfunguy✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it?
I recently picked up sorc, and those are some of the best, and most annoying skills you can use in pvp. Stamina build comes at you, get stunned and then walks away, like training a dog. Magicka build coming at you, encase, what can you do? I read over most of this, and I think it comes down to learning to play your class. I'm not trying to sound l2p or anything but sorcs are a lot stronger than you think.Flawless Conqueror 6 times over.
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Firerock2✭✭✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »Firerock2, Yes, sorc are a class known for their burst ability. This only will happen if you are not paying attention to what is going on (in pvp). But are they actually even that op? Let's look at NB. Give a magicka NB a vicious death set and whatever other 5 set piece, and he can solo an entire zerg. Surely the sorcs are the problem here. In th ematter of fact, we are good at single target burst. And our ability to stack shield may be annoying, sure. but if you're trying to chase all the way to the end to kill a shield stacking sorc with an overload, run out of stamina and end up dying, it's your fault for chasing someone like that wasting your resources. You're simply out of position.
Anyways, returning to the matter at hand, Sorcs are *** in PVE due to PVP nerfs and changes, and please name me a class that is the bottom tier out of the 4 in PVP, as you seem to have the implication that sorcs are #1, when they are not. If they were the best, shouldn't you be seeing a lot more sorcs? it just makes sense. People want to paly the most powerful class in PVP. So why don't we see sorcs swarming PVP? why do we instead see templars and NB the most?
I don't know what campaign you play but I see plenty of sorc's. If you want to talk about nightblades taking out zergs with vicious death, well I don't really know what to say. VD is a set designed to bust zergs, if they are getting killed by it then its working. Nightblades aren't the only ones who can use VD and they aren't the only ones who can use Proxy Det. Show me a magicka DK rolling over a Sorc (who isn't crap) in PvP and then maybe I'll believe your fantasy.Edited by Firerock2 on April 28, 2016 8:59PM3 -
XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭Americanfunguy wrote: »XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it?
I recently picked up sorc, and those are some of the best, and most annoying skills you can use in pvp. Stamina build comes at you, get stunned and then walks away, like training a dog. Magicka build coming at you, encase, what can you do? I read over most of this, and I think it comes down to learning to play your class. I'm not trying to sound l2p or anything but sorcs are a lot stronger than you think.
Yes, those skills are annoying, but are not run because there are better skills, rendering most of them useless. Also, this post is mainly about how the nerf/rework of sorc based on the PVP sorcs messes the sorcs in PVE rendering them the lowest-tier class in almost everything (pve). Paragraphing my op would be nice, but it doesn't let me0 -
XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »Firerock2, Yes, sorc are a class known for their burst ability. This only will happen if you are not paying attention to what is going on (in pvp). But are they actually even that op? Let's look at NB. Give a magicka NB a vicious death set and whatever other 5 set piece, and he can solo an entire zerg. Surely the sorcs are the problem here. In th ematter of fact, we are good at single target burst. And our ability to stack shield may be annoying, sure. but if you're trying to chase all the way to the end to kill a shield stacking sorc with an overload, run out of stamina and end up dying, it's your fault for chasing someone like that wasting your resources. You're simply out of position.
Anyways, returning to the matter at hand, Sorcs are *** in PVE due to PVP nerfs and changes, and please name me a class that is the bottom tier out of the 4 in PVP, as you seem to have the implication that sorcs are #1, when they are not. If they were the best, shouldn't you be seeing a lot more sorcs? it just makes sense. People want to paly the most powerful class in PVP. So why don't we see sorcs swarming PVP? why do we instead see templars and NB the most?
I don't know what campaign you play but I see plenty of sorc's. If you want to talk about nightblades taking out zergs with vicious death, well I don't really know what to say. VD is a set designed to bust zergs, if they are getting killed by it then its working. Nightblades aren't the only ones who can use VD and they aren't the only ones who can use Proxy Det. Show me a magicka DK rolling over a Sorc (who isn't crap) in PvP and then maybe I'll believe your fantasy.
magicka dk with reflect literally counters overload, and you can purge off the curse, making it so that sorcs can't burst dk's in most cases, considering that both players are good. Dk's have better resource control, in a head-on-head fight. Sorcs have escape and run away, heal and come back, but the dk can take advantage of that and leave.1 -
Firerock2✭✭✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »Firerock2, Yes, sorc are a class known for their burst ability. This only will happen if you are not paying attention to what is going on (in pvp). But are they actually even that op? Let's look at NB. Give a magicka NB a vicious death set and whatever other 5 set piece, and he can solo an entire zerg. Surely the sorcs are the problem here. In th ematter of fact, we are good at single target burst. And our ability to stack shield may be annoying, sure. but if you're trying to chase all the way to the end to kill a shield stacking sorc with an overload, run out of stamina and end up dying, it's your fault for chasing someone like that wasting your resources. You're simply out of position.
Anyways, returning to the matter at hand, Sorcs are *** in PVE due to PVP nerfs and changes, and please name me a class that is the bottom tier out of the 4 in PVP, as you seem to have the implication that sorcs are #1, when they are not. If they were the best, shouldn't you be seeing a lot more sorcs? it just makes sense. People want to paly the most powerful class in PVP. So why don't we see sorcs swarming PVP? why do we instead see templars and NB the most?
I don't know what campaign you play but I see plenty of sorc's. If you want to talk about nightblades taking out zergs with vicious death, well I don't really know what to say. VD is a set designed to bust zergs, if they are getting killed by it then its working. Nightblades aren't the only ones who can use VD and they aren't the only ones who can use Proxy Det. Show me a magicka DK rolling over a Sorc (who isn't crap) in PvP and then maybe I'll believe your fantasy.
magicka dk with reflect literally counters overload, and you can purge off the curse, making it so that sorcs can't burst dk's in most cases, considering that both players are good. Dk's have better resource control, in a head-on-head fight. Sorcs have escape and run away, heal and come back, but the dk can take advantage of that and leave.
DK's have better resource control than sorcs? DK's have Battle Roar and that's it for their magicka resource management. Sorc's get a 5% reduction in magicka spells and a 10% increase in magicka regen from their passives. Battle Roar does not come close to that at all. Sorc's have the best resource management of all four classes and the only other class that can hope to compare is the Nightblade. Templar's get only a 4% reduction in magicka spells not even an increase to their regen. If you are having resource issues on your sorc its not the class's fault.
As for the reflect, yeah that can be a pain but that's more of a L2P issue and even if you fail at killing them there is no way they can get through your shields. Flame lash does pitiful damage and the only real burst that they have to use against is if they reflect your attacks.
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭What I do not understand is this degree of change.
Why 6 seconds?
Why not 5 or 7 or 9, 14?
Where are the background calculations that shows 6 is the optimum number for Sorc pvp/pve gameplay?
Healing Ward is 6 seconds, they just made every ward like it
In PvP, the shield change doesnt seems to affect highly skilled players. Often, you are refreshing before the 6 second mark anyway. This shield change does affect PvE, specifically maelstrom. Usually there wasn't a lot of heavy damage so it could last close to 20 seconds, and now you will have to refresh 3 times while before you had to refresh it once. On the plus side, with the change to harness, it should last the whole 6 seconds before needing a refresh.
In my opinion, MagNB and MagDK are controlling PvE. Nightblade in more mobile fights, DK in more stationary. Templars are doing really high damage, but its harder to run with low recovery like dk or nb. And Sorc? Sorcs kill it in 30 second fights, all overload, but get outparsed on a long fight. Every class has its strengths and weakness.
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What PVP are you playing I see Specs everywhere in PVP on Xbox.Its Magblade then Magical Sorc top two classes you will see in PVP.Waffennacht wrote: »
Then again I never saw many sorcs in pvp, always the minority in my experience.2 -
Ghundy✭✭CreepyPahuska wrote: »Even if I agree with some of the things you said, I must correct this :XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it? - (Which by the way, was our only means of sustain ZOS took away). Negate magic? Strom atro? familiar? out of 18 active class skills, 6 of the skills are very rarely used, and 4 of them are from one skill line, Dark magic!
You say that you are talking in regards to its overall usage, regardless of what role you are. You're wrong. It is rare for anyone to use those skills, I agree, but it's not because they are generally just bad. It is simply because most sorcerers you see are playing as DPS with the usual shard + force pulse + overload thing. The question you should ask isn't when was the last time you saw someone use those skills, but when was the last time you saw a sorc trying to play differently/another role ? Cause I can assure you that Encase & Negate for example, are not bad at all. In my opinion they are just as important as the hardened ward for a sorcerer tank. The real problem is that most players aren't curious enough to try playing the sorc differently than as DPS with the same classic build.
It's sad, but it seems to me that sorcerer only suffers from being the go-to class for casual magicka dps players. Everyone gave up on trying to play it differently
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✭✭✭CreepyPahuska wrote: »Even if I agree with some of the things you said, I must correct this :XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it? - (Which by the way, was our only means of sustain ZOS took away). Negate magic? Strom atro? familiar? out of 18 active class skills, 6 of the skills are very rarely used, and 4 of them are from one skill line, Dark magic!
You say that you are talking in regards to its overall usage, regardless of what role you are. You're wrong. It is rare for anyone to use those skills, I agree, but it's not because they are generally just bad. It is simply because most sorcerers you see are playing as DPS with the usual shard + force pulse + overload thing. The question you should ask isn't when was the last time you saw someone use those skills, but when was the last time you saw a sorc trying to play differently/another role ? Cause I can assure you that Encase & Negate for example, are not bad at all. In my opinion they are just as important as the hardened ward for a sorcerer tank. The real problem is that most players aren't curious enough to try playing the sorc differently than as DPS with the same classic build.
It's sad, but it seems to me that sorcerer only suffers from being the go-to class for casual magicka dps players. Everyone gave up on trying to play it differently
I know @Valrien who took frags off for elemental blockade while doing vMSA and took off 8 minutes on his time and got over 500k score.
515k, 1:00:58 was that run, iirc. Haven't run it since but I plan to do it tonight or tomorrow. Let's see if I can go higher!Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭CreepyPahuska wrote: »Even if I agree with some of the things you said, I must correct this :XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it? - (Which by the way, was our only means of sustain ZOS took away). Negate magic? Strom atro? familiar? out of 18 active class skills, 6 of the skills are very rarely used, and 4 of them are from one skill line, Dark magic!
You say that you are talking in regards to its overall usage, regardless of what role you are. You're wrong. It is rare for anyone to use those skills, I agree, but it's not because they are generally just bad. It is simply because most sorcerers you see are playing as DPS with the usual shard + force pulse + overload thing. The question you should ask isn't when was the last time you saw someone use those skills, but when was the last time you saw a sorc trying to play differently/another role ? Cause I can assure you that Encase & Negate for example, are not bad at all. In my opinion they are just as important as the hardened ward for a sorcerer tank. The real problem is that most players aren't curious enough to try playing the sorc differently than as DPS with the same classic build.
It's sad, but it seems to me that sorcerer only suffers from being the go-to class for casual magicka dps players. Everyone gave up on trying to play it differently
I know @Valrien who took frags off for elemental blockade while doing vMSA and took off 8 minutes on his time and got over 500k score.
515k, 1:00:58 was that run, iirc. Haven't run it since but I plan to do it tonight or tomorrow. Let's see if I can go higher!
jesus xD I hope you get at least lucky with the drops. I get nothing out of those damn chests. RNG pls.0 -
XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »Firerock2, Yes, sorc are a class known for their burst ability. This only will happen if you are not paying attention to what is going on (in pvp). But are they actually even that op? Let's look at NB. Give a magicka NB a vicious death set and whatever other 5 set piece, and he can solo an entire zerg. Surely the sorcs are the problem here. In th ematter of fact, we are good at single target burst. And our ability to stack shield may be annoying, sure. but if you're trying to chase all the way to the end to kill a shield stacking sorc with an overload, run out of stamina and end up dying, it's your fault for chasing someone like that wasting your resources. You're simply out of position.
Anyways, returning to the matter at hand, Sorcs are *** in PVE due to PVP nerfs and changes, and please name me a class that is the bottom tier out of the 4 in PVP, as you seem to have the implication that sorcs are #1, when they are not. If they were the best, shouldn't you be seeing a lot more sorcs? it just makes sense. People want to paly the most powerful class in PVP. So why don't we see sorcs swarming PVP? why do we instead see templars and NB the most?
I don't know what campaign you play but I see plenty of sorc's. If you want to talk about nightblades taking out zergs with vicious death, well I don't really know what to say. VD is a set designed to bust zergs, if they are getting killed by it then its working. Nightblades aren't the only ones who can use VD and they aren't the only ones who can use Proxy Det. Show me a magicka DK rolling over a Sorc (who isn't crap) in PvP and then maybe I'll believe your fantasy.
magicka dk with reflect literally counters overload, and you can purge off the curse, making it so that sorcs can't burst dk's in most cases, considering that both players are good. Dk's have better resource control, in a head-on-head fight. Sorcs have escape and run away, heal and come back, but the dk can take advantage of that and leave.
DK's have better resource control than sorcs? DK's have Battle Roar and that's it for their magicka resource management. Sorc's get a 5% reduction in magicka spells and a 10% increase in magicka regen from their passives. Battle Roar does not come close to that at all. Sorc's have the best resource management of all four classes and the only other class that can hope to compare is the Nightblade. Templar's get only a 4% reduction in magicka spells not even an increase to their regen. If you are having resource issues on your sorc its not the class's fault.
As for the reflect, yeah that can be a pain but that's more of a L2P issue and even if you fail at killing them there is no way they can get through your shields. Flame lash does pitiful damage and the only real burst that they have to use against is if they reflect your attacks.
From what I remember, sorcs have higher costing spells, and thus reduction is almost crucial, but in that stead, we have to give up a lot of sustained dmg output or healing spells that most classes such as nb and templars have. Dk on the other hand, are just simply tanky-er due to their passives and actives. Talking pve here.1 -
LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭StamSorc is the only underpowered thing about Sorc.
Magicka Sorc is by far one of the best if not THE best class in the game for PvE and PvP.1 -
XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »StamSorc is the only underpowered thing about Sorc.
Magicka Sorc is by far one of the best if not THE best class in the game for PvE and PvP.
magicka sorcs aren't that under powered in pvp due to their ability for burst damage, however in pve, they are definitely under powered as the sorcs are "balanced" based on their pvp capability. The thing about this though, is that ESO is PVP AND PVE game. If they only "balance" a class based on 50% of the game, and in doing so, ruin the other 50% there is a problem here, isn't there? would not mind, if all the balance fixes etc for sorcs were only applicable while in a PVP zone. That is a possible thing to do in the game, and they have done so before, so why does people who play PVE have to pay for the nerf intended for PVP just because they're the same class? this just doesn't make sense.1 -
XZS2JHub17_ESO✭✭✭LBxFinalDeath wrote: »StamSorc is the only underpowered thing about Sorc.
Magicka Sorc is by far one of the best if not THE best class in the game for PvE and PvP.
one thing i never did was build a stam sorc, since i refuse to build stamina on a SORCERER (but hey, this is Elder scrolls) so i do not know how well they do.0 -
Weng✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »LBxFinalDeath wrote: »StamSorc is the only underpowered thing about Sorc.
Magicka Sorc is by far one of the best if not THE best class in the game for PvE and PvP.
one thing i never did was build a stam sorc, since i refuse to build stamina on a SORCERER (but hey, this is Elder scrolls) so i do not know how well they do.
If you compare the sorcerer with those from other mmos: Is the ESO sorcerer a sorcerer at all? You don't even get fireballs or meteors native for this class. If you replaced the daedric summons with bears and leopards, it could as well be a druid.
Anyway, playing a stam sorc in pvp is not too bad. Streak, Encase, Lightning Form and morphs, the passive ultimate reduction are all pretty good. I rarely use Overload though, since Wrecking Blow can do more damage, if speced and used correctly. A stamina sorcerer can sit on top of an enemy and move out at will. I even use purple food here, because I need the magicka. It plays a bit like multi-classing a sorcerer and warrior.
The sad point is pve though. I can pull between 18k to 28k dps on trial bosses, wrecking blow crits go up to 35k and I try to get it to 40k. But there is not much sorcerer on the skill bars: Bound Armaments, Thundering Presence, that's it. On one bar I have Dark Deal, just for the weapon damage passive, but it should be unnecessary to use it during a trial.1 -
Rakkul✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Sustain in PvE? What does PvE stand for?
Pig versus Elephant - notice, no shields being used.
https://youtu.be/Ry_DGDH1j6o Edited by Rakkul on May 1, 2016 5:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »I have been playing as a sorcerer main for over two years now, and this is the conclusion I have come to: Sorcerers are the most under-powered class, as of the dark brotherhood patch. Strictly speaking in the DPS scene, (as imo that's what sorcs are meant to be, if categorized in dps/tank/healer), we are specialized in BURST damage. In PVE, (yes, pve. A lot of you seem to forget that pvp is only Half of the game.) sorcerers are the worst sustained DPS class out of the 4. We may hit hard, for a short time, yes. Overload is a very unique ultimate. However, building 1000 points of ult in a timely manner is hard, and without overload our dps drops dramatically. This is one of the reasons why I am confused in why they feel the need to continuously nerf the sorc class when they need buffing in other general areas! I mean, since the Beta of ESO, Our execution ability was bugged, and was, and still IS the worst execution to date. Tooltip says 20% is where the execution proc will start, yet, it does NOT start at 20% it starts at 18%. Already bad execution made worse because ZOS refuses to fix a simple coding bug in the sorc's execution line. Not only this, but pets were literally useless for months on end (unless for solo playing in a god damn MMO - no judgement there, but it is not fun to play alone in an MMO in my opinion.) until they added healing morphs recently. The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it? - (Which by the way, was our only means of sustain ZOS took away). Negate magic? Strom atro? familiar? out of 18 active class skills, 6 of the skills are very rarely used, and 4 of them are from one skill line, Dark magic! I am so annoyed with how sorcs are completely getting trashed as a class simply because of two things IN PVP: our burst damage and shield stacking. sorcs are hated on because of the burst on our overloads and/or bomb combo. Overload is literally countered by dk's with reflect, or just simple roll dodge. the bomb combo can be countered with block or purify. And what seems like the biggest issue, shield stacking. Hello?? Shield stacking sorcs don't do anything as a dps. All they do is be annoying and disrupt the back line. If you chase them, it's your fault for being too aggressive and being out of position. You can literally just ignore them. if they attack you, and you attack back, they will run away most of the time because they cannot out damage you. People just don't know how to deal with these, and isn't bothering to learn about it. but instead, just complain about it, because that's much easier. Thank you for ruining a class completely, ZOS. Well done. 10/10 IGN. In the next patch please think hard about how to save sorcs. don't make them like beta sorcs again, they were actually overpowered. Bring the class some balance. Sorry for bad English, or however the meme goes.
Paragraphing would have helped but I dont think sorcs are all that bad even now. I have a magSorc as well as other toons so hear me out.
1. You complain about a bugged execution ability. At least you have a class execute. MagDks don't even get one.
Do DKs achieve higher DPS stamina and magica specced than a sorc even though they lack an execute? Yes they do.
I´d gladly trade that execute for competetive raid DPS.<Noricum>
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Ghundy✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Sustain in PvE? What does PvE stand for?
Pig versus Elephant - notice, no shields being used.https://youtu.be/Ry_DGDH1j6o
How does the Elephant sustain so well?PC-NA-AD
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✭We just need a class spam able ability similar to Trapping Webs we have so much garbage like when was the last time anyone used Encase pets are still underwhelming etc every other Class has decent spam able abilities except Sorcs.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
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Opux✭✭✭The assertion that magicka sorcerers are bad in PvE is laughable. Take a look at the vMA leaderboard sometime.
The reality is that magicka sorcerers have been playing the game with training wheels on ever since release, and they are slowly being taken away. I actually think these changes don't do enough, to be honest.Edited by Opux on May 2, 2016 8:14PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The assertion that magicka sorcerers are bad in PvE is laughable. Take a look at the vMA leaderboard sometime.
The reality is that magicka sorcerers have been playing the game with training wheels on ever since release, and they are slowly being taken away. I actually think these changes don't do enough, to be honest.
Don't do enough for what? You can't complain about ward, you got one now no matter your build. Can't be streak, can't be the spammable dps move, can't be the huge heals, can't be the stacking now as every class can stack with the same efficiency now. It isn't the massive amount of toggles.
What exactly do you want from sorcs? I think these changes are fair, of course the meta changes and favorites change, but to go any further is out of sure spite.3 -
mrkurokishi✭✭✭We just need a class spam able ability similar to Trapping Webs we have so much garbage like when was the last time anyone used Encase pets are still underwhelming etc every other Class has decent spam able abilities except Sorcs.
Why do you need a spam able ability when you can proc crystal frags by using other spells on your bar?
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americansteel✭✭✭✭the last thing sorcerers need are buffs.NO LONGER PLAYING ESO
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Rakkul✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »the last thing sorcerers need are buffs.
The last thing DK's need are buffs, and repeat this for NB's and Temps. There you go, a balanced viewpoint.
You'll need to add depth to your original post, explaining why you think this. Individual comparisons against other class abilities etc.
Otherwise it just comes across as a don't improve the class I'm not playing.1 -
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✭XZS2JHub17_ESO wrote: »I have been playing as a sorcerer main for over two years now, and this is the conclusion I have come to: Sorcerers are the most under-powered class, as of the dark brotherhood patch. Strictly speaking in the DPS scene, (as imo that's what sorcs are meant to be, if categorized in dps/tank/healer), we are specialized in BURST damage. In PVE, (yes, pve. A lot of you seem to forget that pvp is only Half of the game.) sorcerers are the worst sustained DPS class out of the 4. We may hit hard, for a short time, yes. Overload is a very unique ultimate. However, building 1000 points of ult in a timely manner is hard, and without overload our dps drops dramatically. This is one of the reasons why I am confused in why they feel the need to continuously nerf the sorc class when they need buffing in other general areas! I mean, since the Beta of ESO, Our execution ability was bugged, and was, and still IS the worst execution to date. Tooltip says 20% is where the execution proc will start, yet, it does NOT start at 20% it starts at 18%. Already bad execution made worse because ZOS refuses to fix a simple coding bug in the sorc's execution line. Not only this, but pets were literally useless for months on end (unless for solo playing in a god damn MMO - no judgement there, but it is not fun to play alone in an MMO in my opinion.) until they added healing morphs recently. The sorcs, just don't have many USEFUL skills in our skill line! When was the last time you saw someone use rune prison? when was the last time you saw someone use encase in PVE? Dark exchange after the heavy nerf on it? - (Which by the way, was our only means of sustain ZOS took away). Negate magic? Strom atro? familiar? out of 18 active class skills, 6 of the skills are very rarely used, and 4 of them are from one skill line, Dark magic! I am so annoyed with how sorcs are completely getting trashed as a class simply because of two things IN PVP: our burst damage and shield stacking. sorcs are hated on because of the burst on our overloads and/or bomb combo. Overload is literally countered by dk's with reflect, or just simple roll dodge. the bomb combo can be countered with block or purify. And what seems like the biggest issue, shield stacking. Hello?? Shield stacking sorcs don't do anything as a dps. All they do is be annoying and disrupt the back line. If you chase them, it's your fault for being too aggressive and being out of position. You can literally just ignore them. if they attack you, and you attack back, they will run away most of the time because they cannot out damage you. People just don't know how to deal with these, and isn't bothering to learn about it. but instead, just complain about it, because that's much easier. Thank you for ruining a class completely, ZOS. Well done. 10/10 IGN. In the next patch please think hard about how to save sorcs. don't make them like beta sorcs again, they were actually overpowered. Bring the class some balance. Sorry for bad English, or however the meme goes.
Paragraphing would have helped but I dont think sorcs are all that bad even now. I have a magSorc as well as other toons so hear me out.
1. You complain about a bugged execution ability. At least you have a class execute. MagDks don't even get one.
Do DKs achieve higher DPS stamina and magica specced than a sorc even though they lack an execute? Yes they do.
I´d gladly trade that execute for competetive raid DPS.
In exchange tho, you'll be a walking bag of AP in PvP. Unless you are an extremely skilled player, magDK is arguably worse off than even stamSorc in PvP... And stamSorc is in a sad place for PvP...At least stamSorc has WB op-ness going for it.... As a magDK you are relegated to using SnB with your hardest hitting skill as whip (barely 4-5k).... Pray you dont run into someone using harness cos with proxy nerfs and change of db to physical = magDK gg wp......
Edited by Vangy on May 3, 2016 8:28AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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americansteel✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »the last thing sorcerers need are buffs.
The last thing DK's need are buffs, and repeat this for NB's and Temps. There you go, a balanced viewpoint.
You'll need to add depth to your original post, explaining why you think this. Individual comparisons against other class abilities etc.
Otherwise it just comes across as a don't improve the class I'm not playing.
lmao, i dont need to give a reason for my comment due to the fact it implies sorcerer class is op.
mained a DK and Templar since beta, early access and on console. both being low on the totem pole. NBs and sorcerers have fantastic mobility while the others are sitting ducks.
stam sorcs are fine.
mag sorcs are fine.
DKs lack terribly.
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