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Regarding the ban wave and farming.

  • AntMan100673
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    How far away from the nodes can you get before they despawn? I think I know where most of the survey maps are for in wrothgar but there's the odd one I don't get very often and have to hunt around for. Hopefully they can get a better fix in place at some point so it goes back to the survey map disappearing when you collect the first node
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  • Mr.Hmm
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    So to summarize.

    Is it safe to do it or not?
    Will you get banned or not?

    No need to say anything else only answering these questions is enough.
    If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.

    A true gamer will think of all the possible outcomes and execute the one that is the hardest to accomplish.
  • Turelus
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    Mr.Hmm wrote: »
    So to summarize.

    Is it safe to do it or not?
    Will you get banned or not?

    No need to say anything else only answering these questions is enough.

    The exploit in question has been fixed. You can't do what was done to abuse it any more.

    You're free to do surveys as normal, if you happen to find another bug/exploit regarding them under the new restrictions then report it to ZOS and don't do it.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Caradawc
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    i'd think, he meant, that people were banned without exploiting, not that there might have been another way.

    Thanks, in my previous posts I mentioned about needing to own the mobile bank to use it but I've just realised that of course you don't have to own it, you just need to be grouped with someone who does :(

    This of course means that all of those currently on ESO holiday have no way to prove their innocence.

  • Verbalinkontinenz
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    :(
  • Mr.Hmm
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Mr.Hmm wrote: »
    So to summarize.

    Is it safe to do it or not?
    Will you get banned or not?

    No need to say anything else only answering these questions is enough.

    The exploit in question has been fixed. You can't do what was done to abuse it any more.

    You're free to do surveys as normal, if you happen to find another bug/exploit regarding them under the new restrictions then report it to ZOS and don't do it.

    Good thank you for the clarification guess its time to continue as normal and do them.
    If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.

    A true gamer will think of all the possible outcomes and execute the one that is the hardest to accomplish.
  • Moonshadow66
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    Just don't use the mobile banker while in Craglorn or Wrothgar when you put in a crafting survey into the bank, they seem to be triggering in those specific zones. Anywhere else doesn't seem to be affected, but it doesn't mean its not going to happen. Any other object you can use the mobile banker, crafting surveys go to a real NPC banker for now.

    Bans are also affecting those that don't even own a mobile banker.

    It seems that anything that means you have more than one of each survey map such as daily writs rewards from more than one character will get you banned if they are moved via the normal bank and then collected by one character.
    Are you serious? I have like a weeks worth of doubles to collect I hope I don't get banned.

    I'm collecting the reward containers (with only the surveys left in) for MONTHS now and work off a handful from time to time. I also do this mostly with only 1 character, but do the writs with 8 (if I do them, not so often anymore).
    I truly hope I can continue like this, after all, these are my rewards.

    Btw, is this only a console thing or on PC also? I'm on PC.

    Edit:
    Nvm, I just see it's fixed.
    Edited by Moonshadow66 on April 30, 2016 12:00PM
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  • swirve
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    swirve wrote: »
    If i robbed a small bank or a large bank should one be classed as a crime and the other not?

    An exploit is an exploit, whether you abused it only a little or a lot you should be banned regardless.

    You take the risk, you do the crime, you do the time.

    It's a video game..

    Wow really thanks for clearing that up. I just spent a few hours running run collecting flowers so i could make some potions...
  • SpAEkus
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    So if I do them like I always have, which will soon be with 6 Crag located Alt-Crafters, taking and doing on each character separately.

    If all 6 have the same survey map in inventory, they are still "by character" and not by account aren't they? I won't lose 5 survey maps as soon as my first character goes to retrieve one of the duplicates and reaches the location will I?

    Each survey is still a single "episode" of activity on that single map correct?
    Edited by SpAEkus on April 30, 2016 12:25PM
  • swirve
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    swirve wrote: »
    If i robbed a small bank or a large bank should one be classed as a crime and the other not?

    An exploit is an exploit, whether you abused it only a little or a lot you should be banned regardless.

    You take the risk, you do the crime, you do the time.

    Are you trolling?

    Did you exploit?
  • Tandor
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    kampori wrote: »
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but the exploit in question is only possible if you have bought the mobile banker, right ?

    If so you would think that at the very least ZOS would check the accounts they were banning actually owned the mobile banker before getting out the banhammer.

    According to several people in this thread, no. It doesn't only happen if you have/use the mobile banker

    Unfortunately as we aren't allowed to discuss exploits this is difficult to discuss but I thought the now fixed map duplication exploit required the use of a mobile banker. I can't for the life of me figure out how you'd do it with a normal bank but if you say there is a way I believe you.

    i'd think, he meant, that people were banned without exploiting, not that there might have been another way.

    It's more likely to be the case that people claim that they were banned without exploiting.
  • Caradawc
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    Tandor wrote: »
    It's more likely to be the case that people claim that they were banned without exploiting.

    While that may be the case in some situations I am 100% sure in at least one case that a ban was handed out when no exploiting took place.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    SpAEkus wrote: »
    So if I do them like I always have, which will soon be with 6 Crag located Alt-Crafters, taking and doing on each character separately.

    If all 6 have the same survey map in inventory, they are still "by character" and not by account aren't they? I won't lose 5 survey maps as soon as my first character goes to retrieve one of the duplicates and reaches the location will I?

    Each survey is still a single "episode" of activity on that single map correct?

    Yes, correct. Don't worry and do as you're used to, you won't have any problems.
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    swirve wrote: »
    If i robbed a small bank or a large bank should one be classed as a crime and the other not?

    An exploit is an exploit, whether you abused it only a little or a lot you should be banned regardless.

    You take the risk, you do the crime, you do the time.

    It's a video game..

    Designed and sold on the premise of fun for everyone.
    Not a limited few at the expense of everyone else.
    Edited by Rune_Relic on April 30, 2016 12:59PM
    Anything that can be exploited will be exploited
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spent the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. 500 raw mats is easily farmed is done properly. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted tool IMO.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on April 30, 2016 1:17PM
  • Caradawc
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    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    The problem is ZOS have the data, they just didn't think through how they analysed it and now innocent customers have to suffer along with the cheats :(
  • Ch4mpTW
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    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\
    Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 30, 2016 1:17PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    The problem is ZOS have the data, they just didn't think through how they analysed it and now innocent customers have to suffer along with the cheats :(

    If there are a couple thousands or even a couple hundred players involved, there's no way they can gather the manpower required to review them all manually.
    And a script will never encompass all possible situations. So yes, a few innocents will be caught in the net. A FEW.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on April 30, 2016 1:31PM
  • Ch4mpTW
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    If what you say is true - and until proven wronf I actually believe it's true - then I'm really sorry for you. Yes, the script could have caught you mistakenly. That's an accident. As frustrating as it may be, just relax, the sky isn't falling. It's three days of a video-game...
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    So you are saying you typically get 500 mats per survey? Thats the only way the ban kicks in.
  • Ch4mpTW
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    So you are saying you typically get 500 mats per survey? Thats the only way the ban kicks in.

    ... Have you read anything I typed?
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    So you are saying you typically get 500 mats per survey? Thats the only way the ban kicks in.

    ... Have you read anything I typed?

    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.
  • Ch4mpTW
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    So you are saying you typically get 500 mats per survey? Thats the only way the ban kicks in.

    ... Have you read anything I typed?

    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

    Believe what you want. You forget. I have had numerous interactions and dialogues with you. To you, ZO$ can do no wrong. They are forever innocent and pure. Their work is perfect is unflawed. Yes, yes. You've shown this image on every thread I've encountered you in. And honestly? I wish you were in ZO$ prison with me. You'd be getting the business constantly. We'd steal your sweet rolls every chance we got. >_>
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This is not something you can do on accident. I dont know where the mod gets that from. This exploit was something you had to purposely do. Im not going into details about it but there is absolutely no possible way someone could have done this on accident. So sorry but not buying that line.

    Well, if what Kai Schober said on the german forum is accurate, the script is based of number of survey maps used vs. harvested materials.
    I can see mistakes occurring if someone has used 1 survey map and spend the rest of the afternoon farming mats normally. That could lead to a mistake from the scripted toll IMO.

    Which is exactly what I believe happened to me. All I did was grab up my surveys from my non-crafters, and go knock them out all in a swift run on my crafter. And now I'm caught-up, and in this situation. Meanwhile I know people who are boasting about how ZO$ didn't catch them. =\

    No that's not what happened to you. I'm referring to people farming mats normally, without survey maps. They could end up with 500 mats in their inventory for just 1 map used.

    Your case is different. I don't know how or why the script caught you.

    Ah okay. But yeah, all I did was just stash the surveys in the bank for my crafter. Grab the surveys on crafter, and then go pick them up the survey goods. After that, I did my typical farming routes. No exploits. No duplicating. No stashing nothin' with my crafter onto my banker, but alchemy mats and raw materials. That was all. I never once stashed a survey on my banker with my crafter. Not once. Always on characters that I just knock the dailies with for gold. That's it.

    So you are saying you typically get 500 mats per survey? Thats the only way the ban kicks in.

    ... Have you read anything I typed?

    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

    Believe what you want. You forget. I have had numerous interactions and dialogues with you. To you, ZO$ can do no wrong. They are forever innocent and pure. Their work is perfect is unflawed. Yes, yes. You've shown this image on every thread I've encountered you in. And honestly? I wish you were in ZO$ prison with me. You'd be getting the business constantly. We'd steal your sweet rolls every chance we got. >_>

    Show me where I said any of that? We are talking about this particular exploit and how they caught people. Not anything else. As far as being in ESO prison I would never end up there. Ive never had as much as a warning. I dont exploit. I play the game fairly.
    Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on April 30, 2016 1:58PM
  • Caradawc
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    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

    Are you honestly saying you don't believe ZOS could have made a mistake ?
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

    Are you honestly saying you don't believe ZOS could have made a mistake ?

    In this instance no. Its cut and dried. There have been other exploits (guild bank dupe for example) that could possibly be done on accident. Not this one tho.
  • Caradawc
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    Yes and I am trying to politely say I dont believe you.

    Are you honestly saying you don't believe ZOS could have made a mistake ?

    In this instance no. Its cut and dried. There have been other exploits (guild bank dupe for example) that could possibly be done on accident. Not this one tho.

    The issue isn't that you could trigger the exploit by accident, it's that ZOS have suspended people who haven't exploited and haven't received 500+ mats from a survey.

    That's a fact, I know not one I can back up without ZOS investigating further but it is 100% true.

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