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Poison making cant go live the way they work now
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Poisons should have been in the game for balance since beta. Increased costs, decreased regeneration, drains would have been great vs the old metas. Ten guys with drain poisons vs a 1vXer would have been interesting....This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well everybody can roll a class too. There are no limits cause everybody playing the game can be op so anything is op then.
Maybe you forget that certain classes and races will be a lot more op with poisons than others.
This is gonna be another headache for zos. Just wait. But well,it will be fun too.
Ok this makes no sense.
Yes, everyone can choose a class and thats why its important for classes to balance vs other clases in play.
But here every class can use poisons. They evrn eotk with staves. Each csn use any potion.
Now how could we forget your claim that it favors certsin classes. Please elaborate and support that claim, if you can.
Day 4 of playtest and the sun rose.
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RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭You dont have to think so much to know what combinations of race/class will be the most op with this new addition. Plus theres an "exploit" that clearly will go live.0 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭Learn to adapt. Poisons will really only effect ppl in pvp. So now forcing pvp builds is a must. Plus I have an Argonian waiting laugh at the poisoners.0 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I dont need to learn to adapt XD believe me.
If you are so happy whit this. Its ok. I pass. Not gonna continue debating a thing as clear as this one. That is a thing from the eso past for me. I will just wait,abuse,laugh and wait for fixes in the next 12 months.
Have fun all!Edited by RazielSR on April 28, 2016 4:04PM2 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You dont have to think so much to know what combinations of race/class will be the most op with this new addition. Plus theres an "exploit" that clearly will go live.
Uhhh you ducked the question.
No support for your claim?
Ok.
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AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭Needs to be re done before launch because it's too complicated. Sometimes basics are all you need. @ZOS_GinaBruno.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I think Ill refrain from criticism until Im certain theyre going live in the state they are in.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭@ZOS needs to remove ALL BUFFS that are given to players that apply poisons to their weapons. That's the only change they need to make. There's absolutely NO REASON that a player applying a poison should receive a Buff from it. A poison is something that damages someone, not gives them greater power, more armor or any other kind of buff. The picture below is the whole point of my argument. This "Poison" should be changed to something like Corrosive Acid reducing x armor for x seconds. It should in NO WAY BUFF THE PLAYER APPLYING IT. With lowered armor, you ALREADY take more damage so the additional 8% damage done is an overkill. Thank you @hrothbern for the pic.
I agree completely. It makes zero sense for a poison to buff the player delivering it once it hits its target. Zero sense! It's not an enchantment.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Additionally, the poison tool tips say that the poison suppresses your weapon enchantment. Why is that so? An enchantment is built into your weapon. How does a poison that only does something to the blood of your victim affect the enchantment on your weapon? It should not. Who thought this would be a good idea?
Breaking immersion in order to balance the game. I am with you though. I don't like gimmicky gameplay implements that make no sense.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KanedaSyndrome wrote: »@ZOS needs to remove ALL BUFFS that are given to players that apply poisons to their weapons. That's the only change they need to make. There's absolutely NO REASON that a player applying a poison should receive a Buff from it. A poison is something that damages someone, not gives them greater power, more armor or any other kind of buff. The picture below is the whole point of my argument. This "Poison" should be changed to something like Corrosive Acid reducing x armor for x seconds. It should in NO WAY BUFF THE PLAYER APPLYING IT. With lowered armor, you ALREADY take more damage so the additional 8% damage done is an overkill. Thank you @hrothbern for the pic.
I agree completely. It makes zero sense for a poison to buff the player delivering it once it hits its target. Zero sense! It's not an enchantment.
Potions shouldn't Ravage Health of the users either
Certain Poisons have been known to have beneficial effects too.
You can't be sure when it comes to Alchemy
Edited by Tryxus on April 28, 2016 6:38PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭KanedaSyndrome wrote: »@ZOS needs to remove ALL BUFFS that are given to players that apply poisons to their weapons. That's the only change they need to make. There's absolutely NO REASON that a player applying a poison should receive a Buff from it. A poison is something that damages someone, not gives them greater power, more armor or any other kind of buff. The picture below is the whole point of my argument. This "Poison" should be changed to something like Corrosive Acid reducing x armor for x seconds. It should in NO WAY BUFF THE PLAYER APPLYING IT. With lowered armor, you ALREADY take more damage so the additional 8% damage done is an overkill. Thank you @hrothbern for the pic.
I agree completely. It makes zero sense for a poison to buff the player delivering it once it hits its target. Zero sense! It's not an enchantment.
Potions shouldn't Ravage Health of the users either
Certain Poisons have been known to have beneficial effects too.
You can't be sure when it comes to Alchemy
Well if you include toxic ingredients in your potion, then sure it should ravage your health.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭ARE THESE GOING TO WORK ON NPC? AND BOSSES?Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Additionally, the poison tool tips say that the poison suppresses your weapon enchantment. Why is that so? An enchantment is built into your weapon. How does a poison that only does something to the blood of your victim affect the enchantment on your weapon? It should not. Who thought this would be a good idea?
It should be that way. either your wpn is poisoned or its enchantedEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Additionally, the poison tool tips say that the poison suppresses your weapon enchantment. Why is that so? An enchantment is built into your weapon. How does a poison that only does something to the blood of your victim affect the enchantment on your weapon? It should not. Who thought this would be a good idea?
It should be that way. either your wpn is poisoned or its enchanted
Nah, that is not even in the following of the single player TES games - you could use poisons on enchanted weapons and both effects were in place. Poisons in TES games had as well spell-like abilities (so this seems to be kind of magical poisons). The advantage to use them over spells was, that a bow poisoned with such an effect you apply the effect to the target, even if the aggressor was silenced. This was a way to get a spell effect onto a target, when one was temporarily unable to cast spells. Not to talk about that in Oblivion for example you could boost your intelligence in serveral steps to an amount, where you could make incredibly overpowered poisons - well, in a single player game this is ok, but not in a multiplayer environment of course.Edited by Lysette on April 29, 2016 3:18PM0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭poison making at the moment is a bad idea, and its way to compliicated the way its presented, pvp will suffer with this new system, you've just made a decent step to fix pvp introducing poision with the values they currently have will be like taking 5 steps back. this may not be the time. if it is going to be implemented then tone it down at least 80% of the value its producing at the moment. please.0
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genjutsu_kami✭✭✭If everybody gets access to them whats the problem, if they deliver too much dmg, people need invest in health more.
your concept is as frightening as the era of ***. just because everyone can access them does not mean they are good, poison in general at the current values do way to much damage and suck out resources and give way to much advantage. also these poison stack on 1 individual if more than one person is using it, so think about that for a second. poision making at the moment is a bad idea but if it is going to come it needs to have way lower values then it has now. to the point where it compares and competes with weapon enchants so people have to make a difficult decision what to run. because at the moment poison will be what everyone runs in pvp and to think other wise either suggest you don't have any concept on pvp, you don't pvp often or your just plain stupid.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not really interested in poisons, so I haven't been following this topic.
Is there any drawback to using poisons? Any sort of balancing thing so those of us who don't want to use them (for RP reasons or whatever) aren't completely hobbled?
Or are they something everyone will have to be using all the time to stay competitive?"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
C0wrex✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »I'm not really interested in poisons, so I haven't been following this topic.
Is there any drawback to using poisons? Any sort of balancing thing so those of us who don't want to use them (for RP reasons or whatever) aren't completely hobbled?
Or are they something everyone will have to be using all the time to stay competitive?
I'm actually curious myself. When poison-making was announced, I thought it was cool but I wasn't that much interested in it. How much does it affect PvP? :O Or PvE in that matter? I don't quite understand it's applications yet :O
(Didn't go try PTS btw - don't know how)"We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek and not to yield."
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C0wrex✭✭✭✭
That's damn beautiful... I could cry...
Now I'm interested to go with poison crafting
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Thanks!
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If only people realized that the poison combo's are not being diluted and overall the numbers are very whack at the moment. Theres a reason in the patch notes Zos came out and said that poisons are currently too strong.
Everyone also needs to realize this is the first time Zos has given the community 1 month of time in the pts instead of 1-2 weeks. This is because there are very dramatic changes in the game, the poison system being one of them.PS4 NA DC2 -
GoodOlPinkly✭✭✭Shadowfx1970 wrote: »Well, it is only the first stage of the PTS, Zos have said there will be changes over the coming weeks to many things perhaps poison will be one of those items.
I think some people just like a little drama in their lives.
Where can I find what Zos says I haven't seen anything from them in days
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RabNebula✭✭✭The poisons in their currwnt state are massively overpowered
Yeh the poisons and everything in between in this patch coming is going to completely ruin the meta and nullify the usage of certain classes. Magic DK's especially will have it harder than ever because with all the stam buffs the are just not going to out last a stam build up close and they dont have any decent damage over range. Poison dk with poisons on top is going to be the real nail in the mdk coffin. Im definitely going to be getting into this poison stuff in that update just like everybody else will. Bore of a patch.
It' a shame ZoS dont use much common sense in their patches. Always something thats ridiculously op and even worse they've only just buffed up mdks making them just about useable and now theyre smashing them out of the meta again.Edited by RabNebula on April 30, 2016 3:19AM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »If only people realized that the poison combo's are not being diluted and overall the numbers are very whack at the moment. Theres a reason in the patch notes Zos came out and said that poisons are currently too strong.
Everyone also needs to realize this is the first time Zos has given the community 1 month of time in the pts instead of 1-2 weeks. This is because there are very dramatic changes in the game, the poison system being one of them.
Well, if it is too weak, no one will put in the effort to make those poisons - those are charges, it is not as if they can be used endlessly. And it brings variety to combat - instead to spam always the same few skills, there is now something what makes people think twice to just perma-spam these things. But this will just happen, if poisons are strong enough to make them think about it and not just ignore them, because they are too weak to have a real impact on combat.0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »If everybody gets access to them whats the problem, if they deliver too much dmg, people need invest in health more.
your concept is as frightening as the era of ***. just because everyone can access them does not mean they are good, poison in general at the current values do way to much damage and suck out resources and give way to much advantage. also these poison stack on 1 individual if more than one person is using it, so think about that for a second. poision making at the moment is a bad idea but if it is going to come it needs to have way lower values then it has now. to the point where it compares and competes with weapon enchants so people have to make a difficult decision what to run. because at the moment poison will be what everyone runs in pvp and to think other wise either suggest you don't have any concept on pvp, you don't pvp often or your just plain stupid.
So, just to be clear, you are aware that enchants are going up in power to like say 3-4x their current damage?
poisons are meant to be a trade-off decision for enchants.
Do you want the special effects of poisons or the type of damage and other procs from enchants?
once in playtest they get that right and fix the multi-effect poison bug so the values drop with multiple effects it becomes a difference not an abuse.
yes if multiple people hit you, you take the effects from each unless the effect have a specified name that dont stack. NOTICE i did not say "poisons" since it applies to practically everything in ESO.
So what in the name of Yosimite Sam's Favorite Moustache Wax is the big uproar?
Oh wait, adding a brand new means of attack that can affect previous unassailable aspects by "raising all stamina costs by 30%" or "raising all magic costs by 30%" means probably rethinking a whole lot of "yes i can sacrifice sustains for damage" PVP max effect current FOTM min max builds.
So its change that we didn't get by lobbying for favorable shifts in the rules aka that arch demon nemesis of minmaxing everywhere.
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