Power Bash and the fact that it does not CC

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

@Alcast

Not true, they DID fix it in Thieves Guild patch. Go test it, it is fixed.

Jordaen · April 2016

i agree it should be a cc, but it should not be a cc does damage and give a heal debuff. same thing with fear(cc, dmg debuff, and snare)

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

Jordaen wrote: »

i agree it should be a cc, but it should not be a cc does damage and give a heal debuff. same thing with fear(cc, dmg debuff, and snare)

Problem is most S&B users NEED the heal debuff (unless you go all out on damage, but that's a sacrifice I won't make). Then we also need a stam CC. Reverb was the perfect skill to give us both of these. I'd be fine if they took away the damage buff they gave it as long as get the CC and Heal Debuff

Farorin · April 2016

It does seem pretty useless now, I for one won't use it at all.

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert

SRIBES · April 2016

I won't be using this skill any longer after these changes.

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

Ya, it's incredibly hard for stam classes to use a viable CC especially when most of them are magicka.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Why remove the CC? > Because they could not fix it.

This is most likely the cast but I'm okay with removing what you can't fix it's better then having the bug. But like all the powers that have been changed for unfixable bug the damage needs a heavy buff.

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Why remove the CC? > Because they could not fix it.

This is most likely the cast but I'm okay with removing what you can't fix it's better then having the bug. But like all the powers that have been changed for unfixable bug the damage needs a heavy buff.

Like I said many times in this thread, the CC was fixed. Please go and test it in Thieves Guild patch, the sliding and everything wrong with it was completely fixed.

EatUrNumNumz · April 2016

I just don't understand why destroy a perfectly fine ability after it was no longer bugged.

Alcast · April 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

@Alcast

Not true, they DID fix it in Thieves Guild patch. Go test it, it is fixed.

ok, possible. Thought I still heard ppl saying sometimes it bugs out. Never tested it myself

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Why remove the CC? > Because they could not fix it.

This is most likely the cast but I'm okay with removing what you can't fix it's better then having the bug. But like all the powers that have been changed for unfixable bug the damage needs a heavy buff.

Like I said many times in this thread, the CC was fixed. Please go and test it in Thieves Guild patch, the sliding and everything wrong with it was completely fixed.

Not saying your completely wrong but I have stunned people that had CC immunity. So the bug in live is not 100% fixed.

Mumyo · April 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Why remove the CC? > Because they could not fix it.

This is most likely the cast but I'm okay with removing what you can't fix it's better then having the bug. But like all the powers that have been changed for unfixable bug the damage needs a heavy buff.

Like I said many times in this thread, the CC was fixed. Please go and test it in Thieves Guild patch, the sliding and everything wrong with it was completely fixed.

Not saying your completely wrong but I have stunned people that had CC immunity. So the bug in live is not 100% fixed.

That is not precisely a Bash bug, it happens with several cc's.

Yoyuyi999 · April 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Why remove the CC? > Because they could not fix it.

This is most likely the cast but I'm okay with removing what you can't fix it's better then having the bug. But like all the powers that have been changed for unfixable bug the damage needs a heavy buff.

Like I said many times in this thread, the CC was fixed. Please go and test it in Thieves Guild patch, the sliding and everything wrong with it was completely fixed.

Not saying your completely wrong but I have stunned people that had CC immunity. So the bug in live is not 100% fixed.

Mumyo is right, I've been able to double CC with Fossilize, Magnum Shot, StoneFist, Fear, Etc etc. It's latency + CC bugs in general that needs to be fixed but isn't specific to Reverb Bash.

Regardless, the CC itself is not bugged.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

@Wrobel Hey! Any updates? I remember when we talked you said you would specifically check out the thread and see what you could do. Possibly to give an update (just give me some form of hope, please ;( ...)

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

@Wrobel Hey! Any updates? I remember when we talked you said you would specifically check out the thread and see what you could do. Possibly to give an update (just give me some form of hope, please... ;( )

EDIT: please delete this comment, it was stuck on my comments and wouldn't go away unless I posted it

Jaybe_Mawfaka · May 2016

Agreed

Jaybe_Mawfaka · May 2016

No need to destroy another great stamina skill. No doubt about nerf wrecking blow, it was spammable by almost every stam user but after cc on reverb was fixed nobody did really spam this one. So with this awesome "changes" nobody will even use reverb ( both morphs ) next patch, the main thing was cc so far.
#Bringusbackourgloriousbash

SwaminoNowlino · May 2016

Did you watch @sypher dance when reading this in the patch notes? Because based on that reaction I'd bet he disagrees with the idea that it was fixed in TG. So I'd say @Alcast is probably correct, it's a buggy skill that they couldn't fix so they just removed it.

There needs to be a wholesale revisit of the cc's and your ability to break free. On live right now 70% of the time I can mash CC break and watch my stamina drain while I'm still cc'd.

Baconlad · May 2016

Why would you ever use PB as a CC anyway? Use charge... its ranged...

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

I think Reverberating Bash should still have Major Defile and Power Slam does more damage. The issue with this ability was the disorient, not the stun. People abused this cause it causes a stun lock, so cool it was removed. Coming from someone who has used it since release on several builds, it was the most OP ability in the game cause it broke rules on CCs.

Ferretstalker · May 2016

I never had it on my bar, tbh. If I wanted to CC an enemy I would step back three feet and charge them for a CC anyway. That said, if they're trying to make the bash a more reactive, block-for-max-effectiveness skill, they should increase the damage increase from blocking an attack. As it stands, you can spam puncture/ransack for half the cost and near-comparable damage.

I'm all for Power Bash being a skill that takes some smarts/timing to get the most effectiveness, but it needs a buff before it's worth it, I think.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Did you watch @sypher dance when reading this in the patch notes? Because based on that reaction I'd bet he disagrees with the idea that it was fixed in TG. So I'd say @Alcast is probably correct, it's a buggy skill that they couldn't fix so they just removed it.

There needs to be a wholesale revisit of the cc's and your ability to break free. On live right now 70% of the time I can mash CC break and watch my stamina drain while I'm still cc'd.

Did you test it at all to see if it was fixed in TG? Because it was, Sypher even acknoweledged this himself on stream when I dueled him.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Baconlad wrote: »

Why would you ever use PB as a CC anyway? Use charge... its ranged...

Exactly. I can't always back out and then charge especially if they're a smart player and constantly on my ass. I used this skill to get people off me and/or to CC them every 6 seconds when I'm on them and don't want to relieve pressure by backing up then charging them.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

I think Reverberating Bash should still have Major Defile and Power Slam does more damage. The issue with this ability was the disorient, not the stun. People abused this cause it causes a stun lock, so cool it was removed. Coming from someone who has used it since release on several builds, it was the most OP ability in the game cause it broke rules on CCs.

Jesus christ, I can't stress this enough. This CC is FIXED in Thieves Guild patch. Before the TG patch is when people abused it but it isn't possible to abuse this skill like it was before. Please test it before you make absurb comments like these.

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Ferretstalker wrote: »

I never had it on my bar, tbh. If I wanted to CC an enemy I would step back three feet and charge them for a CC anyway. That said, if they're trying to make the bash a more reactive, block-for-max-effectiveness skill, they should increase the damage increase from blocking an attack. As it stands, you can spam puncture/ransack for half the cost and near-comparable damage.

I'm all for Power Bash being a skill that takes some smarts/timing to get the most effectiveness, but it needs a buff before it's worth it, I think.

How in any way does the change to bash make a "smarts/timing" skill? They just increased the damage and removed the CC lol.

Like you said, ransack combo does near-comparable damage at half the cost. From the buffs it looks as if they want this skill to be a DPS ability when we already have plenty of DPS options. Ontop of the fact that it just costs too much to spam.

If you're fighting a smart and good player it would be rather hard to back up THEN CC them. It works but not all the time. Reverb was incredibly good in the fact that we could use the CC to get some breathing space and/or putting others under pressure by consistently CCing them every 6 seconds.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

I think Reverberating Bash should still have Major Defile and Power Slam does more damage. The issue with this ability was the disorient, not the stun. People abused this cause it causes a stun lock, so cool it was removed. Coming from someone who has used it since release on several builds, it was the most OP ability in the game cause it broke rules on CCs.

Jesus christ, I can't stress this enough. This CC is FIXED in Thieves Guild patch. Before the TG patch is when people abused it but it isn't possible to abuse this skill like it was before. Please test it before you make absurb comments like these.

Putting words in my mouth. I was simply referring to the ability itself. Sorta fixed in TG but the issue before and after TG was the fact that both the stun and disorient were on the ability. Hence why they removed them. And whose making absurd comments when your knowledge is coming from what someone else said on their stream? When you have an thought of your own, let me know.

Tormy · May 2016

Hope this skill doesn't go live without the CC being brought back

Yoyuyi999 · May 2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

I think Reverberating Bash should still have Major Defile and Power Slam does more damage. The issue with this ability was the disorient, not the stun. People abused this cause it causes a stun lock, so cool it was removed. Coming from someone who has used it since release on several builds, it was the most OP ability in the game cause it broke rules on CCs.

Jesus christ, I can't stress this enough. This CC is FIXED in Thieves Guild patch. Before the TG patch is when people abused it but it isn't possible to abuse this skill like it was before. Please test it before you make absurb comments like these.

Putting words in my mouth. I was simply referring to the ability itself. Sorta fixed in TG but the issue before and after TG was the fact that both the stun and disorient were on the ability. Hence why they removed them. And whose making absurd comments when your knowledge is coming from what someone else said on their stream? When you have an thought of your own, let me know.

When did my knowledge come from someone on stream? Lmao, I tested this damn skill myself, the person I was responding to brought up Sypher and I used him as a reference because of it. And I'd be completely fine if it just CC'd and not stunned and disorientated someone, but I honestly don't see how that is an issue.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · May 2016

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

When did my knowledge come from someone on stream? Lmao, I tested this damn skill myself, the person I was responding to brought up Sypher and I used him as a reference because of it. And I'd be completely fine if it just CC'd and not stunned and disorientated someone, but I honestly don't see how that is an issue.

It's because Disorient works on targets with CC immunity, and that person can not break the disorient themselves. Only once they are damaged does the disorient break (except Rune Prison). Disorient allowed you to basically "psuedo-stun" players and non-boss NPC for like 20+ seconds as long as you don't damage them. This is why people used it even before some discovered and abused a bug with it in PvP.

What the TG patch did was it fixed the bug where CC-Immunity wasn't triggering because you were constantly getting Disoriented before getting a chance to gain CC-Immunity from breaking the Stun. Even though the damage from Reverberating Bash would disable the Disorient, it would immediately be reapplied each time it was used on you. This is what people abused and it was what they fixed. After TG, you were always stunned on the first application and not repetitively thus you could Break Free immediately.

What they didn't change was the Disorient, it would still hit you even while having CC-Immunity. This is also what led to people disagreeing whether Bash was actually fixed. If someone hit you with it, there would still be that time before you were damaged that you felt stunned although you could Break Free. Similar to how Lotus Fan kinda feels. So like I said, the stun wasn't the issue. It was the disorient that was causing public issues with the ability and forced it's change for DB.