Official Feedback Thread for Craft Bags

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I understand that making the craft bag ESO+ only is a huge push for more subscribers and it will probably work quite well, but I and many others would absolutely buy the craft bag off the crown store for 5000 crowns.

5000 crowns for this is way way way too cheap. Thats why I think they put it as an ESO+ perk because if it was on the store for 150,000 crowns people would freak right out.

5k is more than appropriate. That's $40
It's literally the cost of the whole game.

It's also less than the cost of 3 months sub. This is an ESO plus benefit.
Sub up, and it can be yours. Or don't sub, and carry on just as you have been.

Folks the bag is not $15/month.

$15/month is:
-access to all DLC (10k in crowns)
-exp bonus
-gold bonus
-research bonus
-1500 crowns
-and a crafting bag.

In real cash, you all are maybe paying $1 a month for this bag. I'm not sure why everyone has this $15 concept.
It's one piece of an entire bundle.

5k in crowns is way more than what you're paying
Some
Ppl actually paid for the DLC, have subbed and want to buy the bag feature.
Please stop being selfish and let others enjoy the game too if ZOS will offer it

Not that simple I think. Cos I used to subscribe and I dropped it a while back cos I realised I could save tons of $$. At least 50%.

For Sub: 1500 x 12 crowns per year bought = 18 000 crowns. + we get 10% bonus to gold and exp, + faster research.. Pretty meh benefits.. DLC for free is basically a ransom for our guarenteed money every month. The moment u stop giving ZOS money bye bye DLC. Its the same as everyone else who buys it with crowns... Most subscribers do just get the DLCs for the crowns cos what else are you going to do with 18 000 crowns a year? buy every costume and mount??

For non sub: 3000 per dlc x 4 DLCs maybe a year = 12 000 crowns

So a subscriber pays on average 50% more than a non-sub. In exchange we get some a pathetic 10% bonus to a couple of things. DLCs we only get if we keep giving ZOS $$. If not its gone as well.

Over the past year I have saved on average about 70-100 bucks by dropping sub. Just get a 5k crown pack whenever a DLC comes out during sale (which makes these crowns even cheaper) + will have crowns left over to get costume/mount I really want.

Its smarter, and WAAAAAY cheaper to just get crown pack during sales to buy DLCS and stuff you want rather than to subscribe. Essentially that's why ZOS is making crafting bags exclusive to ESO+. I have recently re-subscribed for this perk. If this goes onto store... Bye bye Sub once again.

Subscribers don't pay less.... If you just sub. Literally that's the thing I can't understand why ppl are even trying to argue that.
The whole point of ESO plus is that it's cheaper than to buy. Literally it is

But if ZOS can't offer the base benefits, it's not worth subbing but that's not the discussion nor the topic. And most Xbox one customers aren't getting them which is why there have been ESO live, threads, emails, and they even have all of us a lump sum of crowns for all those issues that still aren't resolved.

As of right now, I tried to sub again yesterday. I paid, got a receipt from Xbox and all....guess what. Still no crowns and I had to hard reset my console twice to get the ESO plus benefits to load. My Xbox one is less than 45 days old and yet, still ppl are arguing that paying customers shouldn't get a bag without ESO plus cause they think it's better for the company. Really....

The topic is about the bag on PTS.
It makes perfect sense as you even detail above to offer to both literally to all who use the product because non-subscribers are spending more even if they only partake in 1/4th of the features ESO plus offers. That's good for ESO plus subs and in no way does offering it to non-subscribers devalue it.

I did all that to show you THE VALUE of having it in the crown store because if absent, it lacks an actual cash value. Once added, let's say for 2500 - 3000 crowns, you then see more benefit to being a subscriber.

So by putting items like this in the crown store, if ZOS wants more ppl to sub, it incentivized them to sub. Not the other way around.

Vangy · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I understand that making the craft bag ESO+ only is a huge push for more subscribers and it will probably work quite well, but I and many others would absolutely buy the craft bag off the crown store for 5000 crowns.

5000 crowns for this is way way way too cheap. Thats why I think they put it as an ESO+ perk because if it was on the store for 150,000 crowns people would freak right out.

5k is more than appropriate. That's $40
It's literally the cost of the whole game.

It's also less than the cost of 3 months sub. This is an ESO plus benefit.
Sub up, and it can be yours. Or don't sub, and carry on just as you have been.

Folks the bag is not $15/month.

$15/month is:
-access to all DLC (10k in crowns)
-exp bonus
-gold bonus
-research bonus
-1500 crowns
-and a crafting bag.

In real cash, you all are maybe paying $1 a month for this bag. I'm not sure why everyone has this $15 concept.
It's one piece of an entire bundle.

5k in crowns is way more than what you're paying
Some
Ppl actually paid for the DLC, have subbed and want to buy the bag feature.
Please stop being selfish and let others enjoy the game too if ZOS will offer it

Not that simple I think. Cos I used to subscribe and I dropped it a while back cos I realised I could save tons of $$. At least 50%.

For Sub: 1500 x 12 crowns per year bought = 18 000 crowns. + we get 10% bonus to gold and exp, + faster research.. Pretty meh benefits.. DLC for free is basically a ransom for our guarenteed money every month. The moment u stop giving ZOS money bye bye DLC. Its the same as everyone else who buys it with crowns... Most subscribers do just get the DLCs for the crowns cos what else are you going to do with 18 000 crowns a year? buy every costume and mount??

For non sub: 3000 per dlc x 4 DLCs maybe a year = 12 000 crowns

So a subscriber pays on average 50% more than a non-sub. In exchange we get some a pathetic 10% bonus to a couple of things. DLCs we only get if we keep giving ZOS $$. If not its gone as well.

Over the past year I have saved on average about 70-100 bucks by dropping sub. Just get a 5k crown pack whenever a DLC comes out during sale (which makes these crowns even cheaper) + will have crowns left over to get costume/mount I really want.

Its smarter, and WAAAAAY cheaper to just get crown pack during sales to buy DLCS and stuff you want rather than to subscribe. Essentially that's why ZOS is making crafting bags exclusive to ESO+. I have recently re-subscribed for this perk. If this goes onto store... Bye bye Sub once again.

Subscribers don't pay less.... If you just sub. Literally that's the thing I can't understand why ppl are even trying to argue that.
The whole point of ESO plus is that it's cheaper than to buy. Literally it is

But if ZOS can't offer the base benefits, it's not worth subbing but that's not the discussion nor the topic. And most Xbox one customers aren't getting them which is why there have been ESO live, threads, emails, and they even have all of us a lump sum of crowns for all those issues that still aren't resolved.

As of right now, I tried to sub again yesterday. I paid, got a receipt from Xbox and all....guess what. Still no crowns and I had to hard reset my console twice to get the ESO plus benefits to load. My Xbox one is less than 45 days old and yet, still ppl are arguing that paying customers shouldn't get a bag without ESO plus cause they think it's better for the company. Really....

The topic is about the bag on PTS.
It makes perfect sense as you even detail above to offer to both literally to all who use the product because non-subscribers are spending more even if they only partake in 1/4th of the features ESO plus offers. That's good for ESO plus subs and in no way does offering it to non-subscribers devalue it.

I did all that to show you THE VALUE of having it in the crown store because if absent, it lacks an actual cash value. Once added, let's say for 2500 - 3000 crowns, you then see more benefit to being a subscriber.

So by putting items like this in the crown store, if ZOS wants more ppl to sub, it incentivized them to sub. Not the other way around.

I have no idea what you are trying to say... I go to a gym around the block. Non-members pay 2.50 an entry. Members pay 40 bucks a month. If you go to the gym more 16 times a month, membership is cheaper.Yet, members still get exclusive access to lockers there while non-members have to rent it at a rate of 15 bucks a month.... It dosent always make sense but marketing strategy is marketing strategy lol.

Yeah you DO get more value by subbing but no one wants to make the commitment to pay cash every guarenteed month. Its far safer and cheaper (you spend less actual dollars, not some perceived pixel value) when you don't sub and just get a crown pack as and when you need it. I already pointed out to you that I have been saving ard 70-100 bucks after I dropped sub. I dont need 18 000 crowns to buy more pixels. I just need the bare minimum for the DLCs and maybe a little extra here and there for a mount/costume I really really want. That amounts to maybe 2 or 3 5000 crown packs a year during sales. 15 bucks a month is 50% more real world cash. Most people don't really care about some extra pixel value. What they are interested is in the cold hard cash being spent.

If bag comes out for 3000 crowns I would re-drop sub and get a 5000 crown pack to just get the bag and buy DLCs as I have been doing this year thereby saving ard 100 bucks every year I play ESO. To be honest that sounds like a good deal to me and I think ive changed my stance... hmm... Yes lets get these bags out on crown store!

EDIT: bummed up the math for the gym part. fixed.

Epona222 · April 2016

Vangy wrote: »

If bag comes out for 3000 crowns I would re-drop sub

Which is why it is better for Zenimax to keep it as a sub-only benefit - you've done well answering the question as to why it is a sub bonus and not going to be on the crown store as a one-off purchase any time soon (if ever).

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I understand that making the craft bag ESO+ only is a huge push for more subscribers and it will probably work quite well, but I and many others would absolutely buy the craft bag off the crown store for 5000 crowns.

5000 crowns for this is way way way too cheap. Thats why I think they put it as an ESO+ perk because if it was on the store for 150,000 crowns people would freak right out.

5k is more than appropriate. That's $40
It's literally the cost of the whole game.

It's also less than the cost of 3 months sub. This is an ESO plus benefit.
Sub up, and it can be yours. Or don't sub, and carry on just as you have been.

Folks the bag is not $15/month.

$15/month is:
-access to all DLC (10k in crowns)
-exp bonus
-gold bonus
-research bonus
-1500 crowns
-and a crafting bag.

In real cash, you all are maybe paying $1 a month for this bag. I'm not sure why everyone has this $15 concept.
It's one piece of an entire bundle.

5k in crowns is way more than what you're paying
Some
Ppl actually paid for the DLC, have subbed and want to buy the bag feature.
Please stop being selfish and let others enjoy the game too if ZOS will offer it

Not that simple I think. Cos I used to subscribe and I dropped it a while back cos I realised I could save tons of $$. At least 50%.

For Sub: 1500 x 12 crowns per year bought = 18 000 crowns. + we get 10% bonus to gold and exp, + faster research.. Pretty meh benefits.. DLC for free is basically a ransom for our guarenteed money every month. The moment u stop giving ZOS money bye bye DLC. Its the same as everyone else who buys it with crowns... Most subscribers do just get the DLCs for the crowns cos what else are you going to do with 18 000 crowns a year? buy every costume and mount??

For non sub: 3000 per dlc x 4 DLCs maybe a year = 12 000 crowns

So a subscriber pays on average 50% more than a non-sub. In exchange we get some a pathetic 10% bonus to a couple of things. DLCs we only get if we keep giving ZOS $$. If not its gone as well.

Over the past year I have saved on average about 70-100 bucks by dropping sub. Just get a 5k crown pack whenever a DLC comes out during sale (which makes these crowns even cheaper) + will have crowns left over to get costume/mount I really want.

Its smarter, and WAAAAAY cheaper to just get crown pack during sales to buy DLCS and stuff you want rather than to subscribe. Essentially that's why ZOS is making crafting bags exclusive to ESO+. I have recently re-subscribed for this perk. If this goes onto store... Bye bye Sub once again.

Subscribers don't pay less.... If you just sub. Literally that's the thing I can't understand why ppl are even trying to argue that.
The whole point of ESO plus is that it's cheaper than to buy. Literally it is

But if ZOS can't offer the base benefits, it's not worth subbing but that's not the discussion nor the topic. And most Xbox one customers aren't getting them which is why there have been ESO live, threads, emails, and they even have all of us a lump sum of crowns for all those issues that still aren't resolved.

As of right now, I tried to sub again yesterday. I paid, got a receipt from Xbox and all....guess what. Still no crowns and I had to hard reset my console twice to get the ESO plus benefits to load. My Xbox one is less than 45 days old and yet, still ppl are arguing that paying customers shouldn't get a bag without ESO plus cause they think it's better for the company. Really....

The topic is about the bag on PTS.
It makes perfect sense as you even detail above to offer to both literally to all who use the product because non-subscribers are spending more even if they only partake in 1/4th of the features ESO plus offers. That's good for ESO plus subs and in no way does offering it to non-subscribers devalue it.

I did all that to show you THE VALUE of having it in the crown store because if absent, it lacks an actual cash value. Once added, let's say for 2500 - 3000 crowns, you then see more benefit to being a subscriber.

So by putting items like this in the crown store, if ZOS wants more ppl to sub, it incentivized them to sub. Not the other way around.

I have no idea what you are trying to say... I go to a gym around the block. Non-members pay 2.50 an entry. Members pay 40 bucks a month. If you go to the gym more 16 times a month, membership is cheaper.Yet, members still get exclusive access to lockers there while non-members have to rent it at a rate of 15 bucks a month.... It dosent always make sense but marketing strategy is marketing strategy lol.

Yeah you DO get more value by subbing but no one wants to make the commitment to pay cash every guarenteed month. Its far safer and cheaper (you spend less actual dollars, not some perceived pixel value) when you don't sub and just get a crown pack as and when you need it. I already pointed out to you that I have been saving ard 70-100 bucks after I dropped sub. I dont need 18 000 crowns to buy more pixels. I just need the bare minimum for the DLCs and maybe a little extra here and there for a mount/costume I really really want. That amounts to maybe 2 or 3 5000 crown packs a year during sales. 15 bucks a month is 50% more real world cash. Most people don't really care about some extra pixel value. What they are interested is in the cold hard cash being spent.

If bag comes out for 3000 crowns I would re-drop sub and get a 5000 crown pack to just get the bag and buy DLCs as I have been doing this year thereby saving ard 100 bucks every year I play ESO. To be honest that sounds like a good deal to me and I think ive changed my stance... hmm... Yes lets get these bags out on crown store!

EDIT: bummed up the math for the gym part. fixed.

Ahhh. You're trying to argue your perceived value.
That's not even a discussion as everyone sees value different based on what they hope to get out of how they use the product.

I'm specifically discussing that offering the crafting bag in the crown store does not devalue ESO plus. It establishing an exact price on the bag thus creating an even better deal for the ESO plus customer.

Now saling the bag outside of ESO plus has no negative impact on ZOS as the ESO plus subscriber is paying $15/month for a service while the crown customer is paying for everything.

Looking at what ESO plus offers, the crown customer pays more each year just to experience some of those benefits this the bag help sale ESO plus subs if it's offered in the crown store just like the exp scrolls and other goodies.
Absent from the crown store, the bag has only a perceived value specific to each customer but all independent from one another.

If the bag comes out for 3,000 crowns and you decide to drop your sub and buy 5500 crowns. Being that you also own the other DLC and let's say you paid 12 months of ESO plus, that wouldn't be a deal for you. That's a profit for ZOS. You'd be Better off keeping ESO plus for 12 months and only using the crowns for DLC and the bag. If you already paid 12 months and only buy 5500 crowns it means you waisted 4500 crowns and spent another $40 that you didn't have to.

If you just buy the DLC and a 3000 bag on a 5500 crown pack that wouldn't be a better deal.
Sure if you only did that it's cheaper but let's understand what you don't get that you would need to also buy extra.

-you only have DLC and a bag
-you would need to buy exp scrolls or exp pots or find the mats and make em.
-you're research would prob be about 15-20 items pending and many not even started
-you'd have less gold
-you'd be short 18,000 crowns (given you used some for DLC and other stuff but you had to buy 5500 more)

That's not wise and not a better deal. That's just spending less money which is the assumption some apply when saying a subscriber is more valuable than a crown customer.

It's only valid if you're looking at a someone who only buys DLC and does nothing else which isn't the deifinition of a paying customer avg 1500 crown/month. Those customers won't sub and won't buy stuff like this.
There are always exceptions by those aren't impacted by this either.

Epona222 · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I understand that making the craft bag ESO+ only is a huge push for more subscribers and it will probably work quite well, but I and many others would absolutely buy the craft bag off the crown store for 5000 crowns.

5000 crowns for this is way way way too cheap. Thats why I think they put it as an ESO+ perk because if it was on the store for 150,000 crowns people would freak right out.

5k is more than appropriate. That's $40
It's literally the cost of the whole game.

It's also less than the cost of 3 months sub. This is an ESO plus benefit.
Sub up, and it can be yours. Or don't sub, and carry on just as you have been.

Folks the bag is not $15/month.

$15/month is:
-access to all DLC (10k in crowns)
-exp bonus
-gold bonus
-research bonus
-1500 crowns
-and a crafting bag.

In real cash, you all are maybe paying $1 a month for this bag. I'm not sure why everyone has this $15 concept.
It's one piece of an entire bundle.

5k in crowns is way more than what you're paying
Some
Ppl actually paid for the DLC, have subbed and want to buy the bag feature.
Please stop being selfish and let others enjoy the game too if ZOS will offer it

Not that simple I think. Cos I used to subscribe and I dropped it a while back cos I realised I could save tons of $$. At least 50%.

For Sub: 1500 x 12 crowns per year bought = 18 000 crowns. + we get 10% bonus to gold and exp, + faster research.. Pretty meh benefits.. DLC for free is basically a ransom for our guarenteed money every month. The moment u stop giving ZOS money bye bye DLC. Its the same as everyone else who buys it with crowns... Most subscribers do just get the DLCs for the crowns cos what else are you going to do with 18 000 crowns a year? buy every costume and mount??

For non sub: 3000 per dlc x 4 DLCs maybe a year = 12 000 crowns

So a subscriber pays on average 50% more than a non-sub. In exchange we get some a pathetic 10% bonus to a couple of things. DLCs we only get if we keep giving ZOS $$. If not its gone as well.

Over the past year I have saved on average about 70-100 bucks by dropping sub. Just get a 5k crown pack whenever a DLC comes out during sale (which makes these crowns even cheaper) + will have crowns left over to get costume/mount I really want.

Its smarter, and WAAAAAY cheaper to just get crown pack during sales to buy DLCS and stuff you want rather than to subscribe. Essentially that's why ZOS is making crafting bags exclusive to ESO+. I have recently re-subscribed for this perk. If this goes onto store... Bye bye Sub once again.

Subscribers don't pay less.... If you just sub. Literally that's the thing I can't understand why ppl are even trying to argue that.
The whole point of ESO plus is that it's cheaper than to buy. Literally it is

But if ZOS can't offer the base benefits, it's not worth subbing but that's not the discussion nor the topic. And most Xbox one customers aren't getting them which is why there have been ESO live, threads, emails, and they even have all of us a lump sum of crowns for all those issues that still aren't resolved.

As of right now, I tried to sub again yesterday. I paid, got a receipt from Xbox and all....guess what. Still no crowns and I had to hard reset my console twice to get the ESO plus benefits to load. My Xbox one is less than 45 days old and yet, still ppl are arguing that paying customers shouldn't get a bag without ESO plus cause they think it's better for the company. Really....

The topic is about the bag on PTS.
It makes perfect sense as you even detail above to offer to both literally to all who use the product because non-subscribers are spending more even if they only partake in 1/4th of the features ESO plus offers. That's good for ESO plus subs and in no way does offering it to non-subscribers devalue it.

I did all that to show you THE VALUE of having it in the crown store because if absent, it lacks an actual cash value. Once added, let's say for 2500 - 3000 crowns, you then see more benefit to being a subscriber.

So by putting items like this in the crown store, if ZOS wants more ppl to sub, it incentivized them to sub. Not the other way around.

I have no idea what you are trying to say... I go to a gym around the block. Non-members pay 2.50 an entry. Members pay 40 bucks a month. If you go to the gym more 16 times a month, membership is cheaper.Yet, members still get exclusive access to lockers there while non-members have to rent it at a rate of 15 bucks a month.... It dosent always make sense but marketing strategy is marketing strategy lol.

Yeah you DO get more value by subbing but no one wants to make the commitment to pay cash every guarenteed month. Its far safer and cheaper (you spend less actual dollars, not some perceived pixel value) when you don't sub and just get a crown pack as and when you need it. I already pointed out to you that I have been saving ard 70-100 bucks after I dropped sub. I dont need 18 000 crowns to buy more pixels. I just need the bare minimum for the DLCs and maybe a little extra here and there for a mount/costume I really really want. That amounts to maybe 2 or 3 5000 crown packs a year during sales. 15 bucks a month is 50% more real world cash. Most people don't really care about some extra pixel value. What they are interested is in the cold hard cash being spent.

If bag comes out for 3000 crowns I would re-drop sub and get a 5000 crown pack to just get the bag and buy DLCs as I have been doing this year thereby saving ard 100 bucks every year I play ESO. To be honest that sounds like a good deal to me and I think ive changed my stance... hmm... Yes lets get these bags out on crown store!

EDIT: bummed up the math for the gym part. fixed.

Ahhh. You're trying to argue your perceived value.
That's not even a discussion as everyone sees value different based on what they hope to get out of how they use the product.

I'm specifically discussing that offering the crafting bag in the crown store does not devalue ESO plus. It establishing an exact price on the bag thus creating an even better deal for the ESO plus customer.

Now saling the bag outside of ESO plus has no negative impact on ZOS as the ESO plus subscriber is paying $15/month for a service while the crown customer is paying for everything.

Looking at what ESO plus offers, the crown customer pays more each year just to experience some of those benefits this the bag help sale ESO plus subs if it's offered in the crown store just like the exp scrolls and other goodies.
Absent from the crown store, the bag has only a perceived value specific to each customer but all independent from one another.

If the bag comes out for 3,000 crowns and you decide to drop your sub and buy 5500 crowns. Being that you also own the other DLC and let's say you paid 12 months of ESO plus, that wouldn't be a deal for you. That's a profit for ZOS. You'd be Better off keeping ESO plus for 12 months and only using the crowns for DLC and the bag. If you already paid 12 months and only buy 5500 crowns it means you waisted 4500 crowns and spent another $40 that you didn't have to.

If you just buy the DLC and a 3000 bag on a 5500 crown pack that wouldn't be a better deal.
Sure if you only did that it's cheaper but let's understand what you don't get that you would need to also buy extra.

-you only have DLC and a bag
-you would need to buy exp scrolls or exp pots or find the mats and make em.
-you're research would prob be about 15-20 items pending and many not even started
-you'd have less gold
-you'd be short 18,000 crowns (given you used some for DLC and other stuff but you had to buy 5500 more)

That's not wise and not a better deal. That's just spending less money which is the assumption some apply when saying a subscriber is more valuable than a crown customer.

It's only valid if you're looking at a someone who only buys DLC and does nothing else which is impossible based on how they have this set up. If you want to play and stay relevant (some ppl have more time than others so there are definately those who don't meet my comment)

The highlighted bit (the sentence that I bolded) - it's not an assumption that people on this thread apply, it's that boards of directors (and where applicable, shareholders in a company) want to see, and what budget managers want to see when deciding budgets (for stuff like staff costs for ongoing development of a product) - that they have people hooked into paying something on a regular basis. They don't care whether you spent $50 in December and may spend $50 again in June (or maybe not, maybe you won't spend anything until September, or maybe not until 2017). In order to balance the books, they need to know that x number of people are spending $15 a month so that they can project how much income they are likely to receive on a regular and ongoing basis.

Don't they teach basic business studies/budget management/accounting in schools any more?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I understand that making the craft bag ESO+ only is a huge push for more subscribers and it will probably work quite well, but I and many others would absolutely buy the craft bag off the crown store for 5000 crowns.

5000 crowns for this is way way way too cheap. Thats why I think they put it as an ESO+ perk because if it was on the store for 150,000 crowns people would freak right out.

5k is more than appropriate. That's $40
It's literally the cost of the whole game.

It's also less than the cost of 3 months sub. This is an ESO plus benefit.
Sub up, and it can be yours. Or don't sub, and carry on just as you have been.

Folks the bag is not $15/month.

$15/month is:
-access to all DLC (10k in crowns)
-exp bonus
-gold bonus
-research bonus
-1500 crowns
-and a crafting bag.

In real cash, you all are maybe paying $1 a month for this bag. I'm not sure why everyone has this $15 concept.
It's one piece of an entire bundle.

5k in crowns is way more than what you're paying
Some
Ppl actually paid for the DLC, have subbed and want to buy the bag feature.
Please stop being selfish and let others enjoy the game too if ZOS will offer it

Not that simple I think. Cos I used to subscribe and I dropped it a while back cos I realised I could save tons of $$. At least 50%.

For Sub: 1500 x 12 crowns per year bought = 18 000 crowns. + we get 10% bonus to gold and exp, + faster research.. Pretty meh benefits.. DLC for free is basically a ransom for our guarenteed money every month. The moment u stop giving ZOS money bye bye DLC. Its the same as everyone else who buys it with crowns... Most subscribers do just get the DLCs for the crowns cos what else are you going to do with 18 000 crowns a year? buy every costume and mount??

For non sub: 3000 per dlc x 4 DLCs maybe a year = 12 000 crowns

So a subscriber pays on average 50% more than a non-sub. In exchange we get some a pathetic 10% bonus to a couple of things. DLCs we only get if we keep giving ZOS $$. If not its gone as well.

Over the past year I have saved on average about 70-100 bucks by dropping sub. Just get a 5k crown pack whenever a DLC comes out during sale (which makes these crowns even cheaper) + will have crowns left over to get costume/mount I really want.

Its smarter, and WAAAAAY cheaper to just get crown pack during sales to buy DLCS and stuff you want rather than to subscribe. Essentially that's why ZOS is making crafting bags exclusive to ESO+. I have recently re-subscribed for this perk. If this goes onto store... Bye bye Sub once again.

Subscribers don't pay less.... If you just sub. Literally that's the thing I can't understand why ppl are even trying to argue that.
The whole point of ESO plus is that it's cheaper than to buy. Literally it is

But if ZOS can't offer the base benefits, it's not worth subbing but that's not the discussion nor the topic. And most Xbox one customers aren't getting them which is why there have been ESO live, threads, emails, and they even have all of us a lump sum of crowns for all those issues that still aren't resolved.

As of right now, I tried to sub again yesterday. I paid, got a receipt from Xbox and all....guess what. Still no crowns and I had to hard reset my console twice to get the ESO plus benefits to load. My Xbox one is less than 45 days old and yet, still ppl are arguing that paying customers shouldn't get a bag without ESO plus cause they think it's better for the company. Really....

The topic is about the bag on PTS.
It makes perfect sense as you even detail above to offer to both literally to all who use the product because non-subscribers are spending more even if they only partake in 1/4th of the features ESO plus offers. That's good for ESO plus subs and in no way does offering it to non-subscribers devalue it.

I did all that to show you THE VALUE of having it in the crown store because if absent, it lacks an actual cash value. Once added, let's say for 2500 - 3000 crowns, you then see more benefit to being a subscriber.

So by putting items like this in the crown store, if ZOS wants more ppl to sub, it incentivized them to sub. Not the other way around.

I have no idea what you are trying to say... I go to a gym around the block. Non-members pay 2.50 an entry. Members pay 40 bucks a month. If you go to the gym more 16 times a month, membership is cheaper.Yet, members still get exclusive access to lockers there while non-members have to rent it at a rate of 15 bucks a month.... It dosent always make sense but marketing strategy is marketing strategy lol.

Yeah you DO get more value by subbing but no one wants to make the commitment to pay cash every guarenteed month. Its far safer and cheaper (you spend less actual dollars, not some perceived pixel value) when you don't sub and just get a crown pack as and when you need it. I already pointed out to you that I have been saving ard 70-100 bucks after I dropped sub. I dont need 18 000 crowns to buy more pixels. I just need the bare minimum for the DLCs and maybe a little extra here and there for a mount/costume I really really want. That amounts to maybe 2 or 3 5000 crown packs a year during sales. 15 bucks a month is 50% more real world cash. Most people don't really care about some extra pixel value. What they are interested is in the cold hard cash being spent.

If bag comes out for 3000 crowns I would re-drop sub and get a 5000 crown pack to just get the bag and buy DLCs as I have been doing this year thereby saving ard 100 bucks every year I play ESO. To be honest that sounds like a good deal to me and I think ive changed my stance... hmm... Yes lets get these bags out on crown store!

EDIT: bummed up the math for the gym part. fixed.

Ahhh. You're trying to argue your perceived value.
That's not even a discussion as everyone sees value different based on what they hope to get out of how they use the product.

I'm specifically discussing that offering the crafting bag in the crown store does not devalue ESO plus. It establishing an exact price on the bag thus creating an even better deal for the ESO plus customer.

Now saling the bag outside of ESO plus has no negative impact on ZOS as the ESO plus subscriber is paying $15/month for a service while the crown customer is paying for everything.

Looking at what ESO plus offers, the crown customer pays more each year just to experience some of those benefits this the bag help sale ESO plus subs if it's offered in the crown store just like the exp scrolls and other goodies.
Absent from the crown store, the bag has only a perceived value specific to each customer but all independent from one another.

If the bag comes out for 3,000 crowns and you decide to drop your sub and buy 5500 crowns. Being that you also own the other DLC and let's say you paid 12 months of ESO plus, that wouldn't be a deal for you. That's a profit for ZOS. You'd be Better off keeping ESO plus for 12 months and only using the crowns for DLC and the bag. If you already paid 12 months and only buy 5500 crowns it means you waisted 4500 crowns and spent another $40 that you didn't have to.

If you just buy the DLC and a 3000 bag on a 5500 crown pack that wouldn't be a better deal.
Sure if you only did that it's cheaper but let's understand what you don't get that you would need to also buy extra.

-you only have DLC and a bag
-you would need to buy exp scrolls or exp pots or find the mats and make em.
-you're research would prob be about 15-20 items pending and many not even started
-you'd have less gold
-you'd be short 18,000 crowns (given you used some for DLC and other stuff but you had to buy 5500 more)

That's not wise and not a better deal. That's just spending less money which is the assumption some apply when saying a subscriber is more valuable than a crown customer.

It's only valid if you're looking at a someone who only buys DLC and does nothing else which is impossible based on how they have this set up. If you want to play and stay relevant (some ppl have more time than others so there are definately those who don't meet my comment)

The highlighted bit - it's not an assumption that people on this thread apply, it's that boards of directors (and where applicable, shareholders in a company) want to see, and what budget managers want to see when deciding budgets (for stuff like staff costs for ongoing development of a product) - that they have people hooked into paying something on a regular basis. They don't care whether you spent $50 in December and may spend $50 again in June (or maybe not, maybe you won't spend anything until September, or maybe not until 2017). In order to balance the books, they need to know that x number of people are spending $15 a month so that they can project how much income they are likely to receive on a regular and ongoing basis.

Don't they teach basic business studies/budget management/accounting in schools any more?

It is assumption. It's theory and projections.
Yes they teach that today. I took those classes and then actually started my own business and now work for a somewhat large Corp who has been around over 200 years.

A large number of our products and services are billed monthly but guess what.....those are projection goals. That is if the customers are in a control group and have no interferences, no life events, and that stuff is literally never accurate. We just finished our earnings and you may have seen our CEO on CNN...but guess what....while we are doing good, if I showed you the projections made in Nov/Dec of 2015 that set the Q1 goal and then showed you actual and the detail on what we know impacted actual numbers. Then the covers stood goes to make adjustments and not repeat the same mistakes.

Subscriptions in theory are great cause number crunchers can sit back and theorize how things should and can work.
Reality is this, if subscriptions were so profitable ten you'd see less public advertising, sales, or what we see in ESO crown items. If it were all about subs only, then we would have literally everything in the crown store.

What's actually going on is a mix of this and that, timed exclusives crown only, marketing what coming 40 days out via crown only and absolutely nothing for subscribers until now.

It took almost 2 years for another item to be added to ESO plus. Companies invest where they are seeing a return, so without sitting at their tables but just talking to ppl and looking at my buying in this game alone, I've spent far more without a sub than with. And here's the funny thing, I don't have buyers remorse like I did when I was subbed. I don't feel like I have to play to get my monies worth.

The focus is repeat customers and not subs. Both are in that focus not just one as you all seem to think

Vangy · April 2016

I don't get it....

@NewBlacksmurf

So me spending 100 dollars less every year by unsubbing is ZOS winning?? ***? But I win cos I save 100 bucks cos I dont need them crappy 10% bonus benefits.... So I win too. And ZOS wins too. So we all win and I should just unsub?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Vangy wrote: »

I don't get it....

@NewBlacksmurf

So me spending 100 dollars less every year by unsubbing is ZOS winning?? ***? But I win cos I save 100 bucks cos I dont need them crappy 10% bonus benefits.... So I win too. And ZOS wins too. So we all win and I should just unsub?

We aren't discussing winning or loosing.
You're again not saving $100 either if you buy 4 DLC and some crown store stuff at 10k crowns (the 4500 you spent somewhere while having ESO plus and the 5500 you would buy for the bag)

I am saying as you comment, ZOS makes money either way and as a customer you're happy either way so a subscription works best for some and not for others but in the end, we are all spending enough money that a crafting bag shouldn't be limited to a subscriber only.

That's all

GTech_1 · April 2016

I'll just quote myself, from earlier in the thread, so I don't have to type this again:

GTech_1 wrote: »

The bag is a sub benefit.
Arguing that a one time fee of $40 is more valuable to ZOS than a continual sub is untenable, at best.

Continual subs keep the lights on, and keep people employed.
They also increase the quality of life for all of the ZOS employees.
As a "thank you", in return, they have increased our quality of life.

Sounds pretty fair to me. Sub up. You'll love the bag.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

GTech_1 wrote: »

I'll just quote myself, from earlier in the thread, so I don't have to type this again:

GTech_1 wrote: »

The bag is a sub benefit.
Arguing that a one time fee of $40 is more valuable to ZOS than a continual sub is untenable, at best.

Continual subs keep the lights on, and keep people employed.
They also increase the quality of life for all of the ZOS employees.
As a "thank you", in return, they have increased our quality of life.

Sounds pretty fair to me. Sub up. You'll love the bag.

Maybe read other comments....subs and paying customers keep the lights on. A subscriber is no more or less valuable than a paying customer. We are both supporters of the game. One group doesn't deserve things another group can't have. Features can differ but features should be available to all paying customers.

That's what keeps the profits going not just a sub.

GTech_1 · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

I'll just quote myself, from earlier in the thread, so I don't have to type this again:

GTech_1 wrote: »

The bag is a sub benefit.
Arguing that a one time fee of $40 is more valuable to ZOS than a continual sub is untenable, at best.

Continual subs keep the lights on, and keep people employed.
They also increase the quality of life for all of the ZOS employees.
As a "thank you", in return, they have increased our quality of life.

Sounds pretty fair to me. Sub up. You'll love the bag.

Maybe read other comments....subs and paying customers keep the lights on. A subscriber is no more or less valuable than a paying customer. We are both supporters of the game. One group doesn't deserve things another group can't have. Features can differ but features should be available to all paying customers.

That's what keeps the profits going not just a sub.

I read all of the comments in this thread.

This is a system altering benefit, which requires the continued support of an ever expanding database management subsystem. i.e sub dollars. It is not a one-off "access style" purchase, it is a system change.

I saw, in earlier posts, that you attempted to sub up on the XBox, to enable this feature. Good on you.
I also saw that you had difficulty.
If I were in your position, instead of arguing for a crown option, which I understand you also had difficulty in getting your purchased crowns, I would push to get the console subscription difficulty resolved.

Best of luck, I'm sure you'll love your ESO Plus bag.

MissBizz · April 2016

Question: When someone subscribes - will it work like it first does on PTS? AKA - you need to log in to each character so that they crafting bag can "hoover" out all your mats?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

GTech_1 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

I'll just quote myself, from earlier in the thread, so I don't have to type this again:

GTech_1 wrote: »

The bag is a sub benefit.
Arguing that a one time fee of $40 is more valuable to ZOS than a continual sub is untenable, at best.

Continual subs keep the lights on, and keep people employed.
They also increase the quality of life for all of the ZOS employees.
As a "thank you", in return, they have increased our quality of life.

Sounds pretty fair to me. Sub up. You'll love the bag.

Maybe read other comments....subs and paying customers keep the lights on. A subscriber is no more or less valuable than a paying customer. We are both supporters of the game. One group doesn't deserve things another group can't have. Features can differ but features should be available to all paying customers.

That's what keeps the profits going not just a sub.

I read all of the comments in this thread.

This is a system altering benefit, which requires the continued support of an ever expanding database management subsystem. i.e sub dollars. It is not a one-off "access style" purchase, it is a system change.

I saw, in earlier posts, that you attempted to sub up on the XBox, to enable this feature. Good on you.
I also saw that you had difficulty.
If I were in your position, instead of arguing for a crown option, which I understand you also had difficulty in getting your purchased crowns, I would push to get the console subscription difficulty resolved.

Best of luck, I'm sure you'll love your ESO Plus bag.

Its not a one-off situation. That is an Xbox One issue for all acknowledged recently at PAX East.
It relates to different payment methods, but in context that is my situation, which technically is just a perspective for others to read.

Support in dollars...we all agree to and it is a one-off access style purchase just like DLC.
Its a base game change that is being offered right now via ESO Plus only and thats great.
But the many comments on "don't offer it to others" is against the goal of DOLLARS.

I know some feel ESO Plus supports the company and other feel buying crowns supports the company. Both do but not one more than another as each customer spends DOLLARS relative to the products and opportunities they seek to experience in this game and that relates to length of time which is ever changing.

Regardless of what ZOS decides, it makes sense from a DOLLARS point of view to offer the feature to all customers and not one particular group.

The end goal is repeat DOLLARS and ESO Plus does that for some customer types where crown up front purchases does that for others.

The reason we have a sub option and a crown option are so different types of customers can support in DOLLARS....to go against that would have a drastic impact to DOLLARS in a negative way according to ZOS which is why the sub is optional and all base game updates are always included without a paywall

Tevalaur · April 2016

GTech_1 wrote: »

This is a system altering benefit, which requires the continued support of an ever expanding database management subsystem. i.e sub dollars. It is not a one-off "access style" purchase, it is a system change.

Based on the number of people that suggest subbing for one month then cancelling and only doing so every few months, they certainly can't count on anyone paying them anything. Stop pretending the subscriptions are actual subscriptions instead of just tossing them $15 a couple of times per year and that somehow makes "subscribers" better than those that spend far more but never "subscribe"

For another thread I looked back through my check register and found I'd spent $267 on ESO since mid-December. Don't tell me that I haven't supported the game for at least the value of an annual sub, let alone MANY of those people that suggest subbing for a month here and there. Please stop turning this discussion into an "us vs them" attack!

Why not just acknowledge the entire game needs corrections to inventory management? If not the crafting bag subs get for free, then larger bank space or at least limited versions of the crafting bag. The maxxed bank should hold at least one stack of each crafting material and grow as they add more or the crafting bag should be available to all in some form.

Elsonso · April 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Question: When someone subscribes - will it work like it first does on PTS? AKA - you need to log in to each character so that they crafting bag can "hoover" out all your mats?

I would imagine so. I can't see how it would be any different.

On the subject of the bag itself, not who should have it or under what conditions, I have completed some initial assessments and feel that this could be considered the ESO Plus Bag of Death for crafting in this game.

I find myself hoping one of two things. First, ZOS decides this is a bad idea and scales it back. Second, no one subscribes to ESO Plus to get this bag.

An unlimited crafting bag has two problems that I can see. First, an unlimited bag makes no game play sense at all. This is an RPG game and part of the game is management of the inventory, determining what is important, and deciding what to carry. No matter how much we hate it, this is part of games like this. The ESO crafting bag is a variant of the D&D Bag of Holding. We have an insanely powerful bag that allows the character to carry unlimited crafting items with no repercussions or down sides at all. The D&D designers were bright enough to limit the Bag of Holding to a maximum value, something that ZOS apparently never got the memo on. Still, I expected ZOS to be a lot smarter than this with the game.

But then, I have to ask myself whether crafting is actually part of the primary game play for this game. One reason to make this bag is if crafting, and therefore crafting materials, were not really a primary part of the game play. Crafting is only needed in support of the actual game play. By providing unlimited crafting materials, it removes the distraction of collecting and managing crafting materials, which reduces the time needed to spend dealing with crafting, and allows more time for what is the real purpose of the game. If this is the case, I am definitely playing the wrong game.

The second reason is that I think this will have a very bad impact on the crafting economy. Part of what drives the crafting economy is that people cannot store everything. People with the bag have no incentive to sell off stuff they cannot carry. People with the bag can collect far more than they need and have less reason to buy. The victims in this, depending on specifics in how this all unfolds, will either be the people who sell crafting materials and find no one wants to buy them, or the people who do not have ESO Plus and find the economy at the mercy of those who have the bag.

GTech_1 · April 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

This is a system altering benefit, which requires the continued support of an ever expanding database management subsystem. i.e sub dollars. It is not a one-off "access style" purchase, it is a system change.

Please stop turning this discussion into an "us vs them" attack!

I'm not attacking anyone at all. I'm not sure where you're getting that.
I'm simply making suggestions, and recommendations, in order to help folks understand, what is effectively, a marketing decision.

I hope you like your bag as well

baratron · April 2016

Were you able to find the Craft Bag?
Yep, it was just there on my inventory screen between Inventory and Currency. Super easy.
Did you understand when items you picked up went into the Craft Bag?
Yep. However, I agree very much with @MissBizz -

MissBizz wrote: »

I want to know how many I looted - NOT how many are in my bag now.

Today I thought I looted 75 rubedite ore. Apparently not, I only looted some (no idea how many) and after had 75 total in my bag. It's a good feeling when you see that CP passive proc and you get more - but now I won't know. I'm not about to start memorizing how much of everything I have in my bag haha.

I did some crafting writs to check how they were working with the Craft Bags. Apparently they work fantastically, no more running to the bank to pull out one Oko. However, if you're like me and hand in all three writs together, then open the reward bags, there doesn't seem to be any clear indication of how many of each type of thing you looted from the reward bag. Which is annoying. I'm not actually sure if I got anything from the Enchanting Writ that I handed in, other than a Survey.
Did you understand what items go into the Craft Bag, and which ones do not?
Yes. Although I didn't expect to find Bait in there, and I certainly didn't expect to find Bait items under Provisioning. Not since the demise of Plump Worms as an ingredient, anyway!
Did you understand how to pull items out of the Craft Bag to trade or mail them?
Hrm. Well. It wasn't explained anywhere but I figured it out.

However, I think a lot of players will struggle with this. It's the fact that the "Retrieve" option doesn't appear until after you've highlighted an item. Since this part of the UI is hidden until needed, I imagine a lot of people won't even realise that it's possible to take items out of the Craft Bag to trade or mail.

I hope there will be some sort of explanation page which is forced upon us on login, and which can be very easily found at other times. Otherwise I predict tens of forum threads for the first few weeks of the DB patch, and then sporadically later as people return to the game after time away.

Also please see below for my IMPORTANT comment about Guild Banks.
Do you understand how crafting is integrated into the Craft Bag?
It seems to simply pull the mats from the Craft Bag instead of from my inventory or bank. If there's anything more complicated, I didn't see it.
Did you notice any other players using their Craft Bags? (Specifically, did you notice the new Craft Bag model?)
No, I was on the PTS for an hour and didn't see a single other player in game.
Were there any items that you feel should have been included in the Craft Bag?
No.
How much backpack and bank space did you free up when your items moved into your Craft Bag?
Well, I'm not sure exactly when the characters were copied over, but my bank is usually close to 240 slots filled. Currently I only have 93 slots of 240 filled! So that's somewhere around 140-150 slots emptied out.
Do you have any other general feedback?
Yes! It is a PAIN IN THE BACKSIDE to have to specifically pull items from the Craft Bag into my Inventory if I want to put them into a Guild Bank for storage. While the unlimited size of the Craft Bag means that most of us won't need to throw out lower level crafting mats that we have outlevelled, lots of Guilds share mats for the benefit of new players.

If I want to keep my Guild Bank well-stocked, I am going to have to actively remove stuff from my Craft Bag to put in my Guild Bank. Given that Guild Banks already don't auto-stack, this adds a huge amount of effort for GMs and Guild Officers.

We're going to have to start:
- looking in the Guild Bank
- figuring out how many of each type of material is missing
- go into our Craft Bags
- pull that number of materials into our inventories with "Retrieve"
- go back into the Guild Bank interface
- pull each stack of mats with missing items out of the Guild Bank and into our inventories
- combine them manually in our inventories
- put each stack back
I mean, what? I'm already dreading it, and all I've done is type out the list! Some of this will be automated on PC when addons are updated, but what about the poor sods on console who don't get to use addons?

I feel that when I click on the "Materials" tab in my inventory in the Guild Bank interface, it should simply open up my Craft Bag. Or at least, the UI should offer an option of "Would you like to open your Craft Bag?".

BrotherChaz · April 2016

Sadly I can not play test server since im on XBox One... However I would like to comment/suggest...

I have been looking forward to the crafting bag since before I heard it hinted at on a TESO Video you all posted pre- Thieves guild release.

My concern is that I read that its ONLY available to eso+ customers. Truth be told I have spent way in excess of what you would have gotten from me if I had been a subsciber since I started playing the end of last year.

In my mind I was supporting the game I love by making all the purchases I did, and will continue to do, instead of the monthly fee.

So Now that I have purchased all the add-on lands, some mounts, pets, etc. I now would have to get the eso+ JUST so I can have the one needed feature that Ive been waiting for and wanting since I began playing?

So.. if this is the case... can I get a rebate on the add on items I payed for if I get the eso+, which I would in essence need for only the crafting bag?

Thanks for listening. I have been a fan of Elder Scrolls since the first game came out on PC backin the day. I am so happy its available online now. I hope this game doesnt start getting more like games like Neverwinter online and others that have lost me as a customer forever.

Keep up the good work and thanks for listening. Love the game and really looking forward to the next add-on. But hopefully the craft bag will be available to ALL customers; eso+ / Paying alike. Peace. :-)

Tevalaur · April 2016

BrotherChaz wrote: »

My concern is that I read that its ONLY available to eso+ customers. Truth be told I have spent way in excess of what you would have gotten from me if I had been a subsciber since I started playing the end of last year.
...
So Now that I have purchased all the add-on lands, some mounts, pets, etc. I now would have to get the eso+ JUST so I can have the one needed feature that Ive been waiting for and wanting since I began playing?
...
Keep up the good work and thanks for listening. Love the game and really looking forward to the next add-on. But hopefully the craft bag will be available to ALL customers; eso+ / Paying alike. Peace. :-)

I too have endorsed offering a bank/inventory-crafting solution to more folks either as a limited-version Crafting Bag as crown purchase or that they increase the max bank size. But I've also proposed another solution as many seem stuck on the attitude of never allowing a solution outside of the subscription model. It sounds like my proposal would work for you as well, so I repeat it here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno - I ask you to evaluate the creation an ESO+ Lite Subscription that doesn't include the DLCs or even the monthly crown allotment but only the other perks such as the crafting bags at a far lower price. You might draw in folks that already purchased DLCs or for whom your other subscription structure simply doesn't work.

So how about another tier to ESO+ subscription like that without the DLCs or monthly crown allotments for something like $2.99/month? Would you consider something like that?

Denidil · April 2016

Pretty intuitive... and now my Mule character is redundant.. WTB: Charater rename.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2016

Do you have any other general feedback?

1) Items from my shouldn't go into my crafting bag when I relog if I have removed themI took all my material out and placed it in my bank so that it would definately be available for my other char - when i relogged I had no material in my bank and couldnt craft. Logging back I found it had all gone back into my original characters craft bag.
2) I should be able to press E to stow my crafting bag available items when viewing my inventory
3) Crafting bag items appeared to vanish from my crafting bag over several relogs. I'm 90% convinced I lost material but its hard to tell.
4) Its not clear whether crafting bags are account or character bound.
5) you should be able to remove more than 200 at a time

Jennifur_Vultee · April 2016

Logged in on my main, got the message all my crafting materials from my bank were transferred to my crafting bag, all my things seemed to be there and it was looking good.

Logged out and logged onto my next character, got the message crafting materials had been transferred from my bank to my character's crafting bag, seems all my banked crafting materials were gone but all the crafting materials I had on my characters are there.

The rest of my characters repeated character 2's experience and upon logging back into my main character, crafting bag missing all items from the bank but has all items that were on my other characters. I can't say I'd trust the crafting bag after my experience.

BrotherChaz · April 2016

Tevalaur wrote: »

BrotherChaz wrote: »

My concern is that I read that its ONLY available to eso+ customers. Truth be told I have spent way in excess of what you would have gotten from me if I had been a subsciber since I started playing the end of last year.
...
So Now that I have purchased all the add-on lands, some mounts, pets, etc. I now would have to get the eso+ JUST so I can have the one needed feature that Ive been waiting for and wanting since I began playing?
...
Keep up the good work and thanks for listening. Love the game and really looking forward to the next add-on. But hopefully the craft bag will be available to ALL customers; eso+ / Paying alike. Peace. :-)

I too have endorsed offering a bank/inventory-crafting solution to more folks either as a limited-version Crafting Bag as crown purchase or that they increase the max bank size. But I've also proposed another solution as many seem stuck on the attitude of never allowing a solution outside of the subscription model. It sounds like my proposal would work for you as well, so I repeat it here.

@ZOS_GinaBruno - I ask you to evaluate the creation an ESO+ Lite Subscription that doesn't include the DLCs or even the monthly crown allotment but only the other perks such as the crafting bags at a far lower price. You might draw in folks that already purchased DLCs or for whom your other subscription structure simply doesn't work.

So how about another tier to ESO+ subscription like that without the DLCs or monthly crown allotments for something like $2.99/month? Would you consider something like that?

I appreciate your idea.. But I think I disagree with the "limited eso+" ieda. It seem to me that worst case scenario they should just offer the craft bag as an add-on for those who invested much$$ to buy everything so far. I dont know maybe make it available for 2000/ 2500 or so crowns?? It seems like a no brainer to me not to ailienate the purchaser customers on such an arguably much needed item like this. I guess I will wait and see.
Worst case scenario I will just figure my favorite game might be headed the "Neverwinter Online etc." path and I just wont play any new stuff. and eventually see what happens. But I hate to think that might actually be what happens.

Sad now... going to go ponder the world.. ;-)l

ContraTempo · April 2016

GTech_1 wrote: »

One thing I did notice, however, was that fishing bait is included in the bag. Personally, I think this is also excellent, but it's listed in the "Provisioning" category.
Now, I know that folks in Tamriel eat some weird stuff, but Crawlers, Insect Parts, Worms, and Guts? lol

Yes, actually these are used in some rare recipes.

GTech_1 wrote: »

In all seriousness, please keep the bait in there, just give it its own category. Maybe with a fishing pole / fishing hook icon.

Probably a better choice, but I do see why they put them in provisioning.

lookstwice · April 2016

Have they discussed how to prevent people from just subbing for one month to put all item in the crafting bag? I'm assuming they are going to have a huge number of people just subbing for one month to free up the space and over time as they pull items to use as they go.

And say a few month they are full of space again, they sub for one month to consolidate their inventory once again.

But then again, I guess someone occasionally subbing for a month several times a year is still better than none. And who know some people just might stay subbed as well.

Ashtaris · April 2016

It's obvious that ZOS prefers that people have a subscripion if at all possible. With a subscription base, they have a pretty good idea on how much cashflow they can count on for their day-to-day operations. It's money they can count on, not on the whim of what people may or may not purchase from the crown store. I'm fairly certain that if it wasn't for Microsoft's and Sony's own subscription requirements, we would still be on a sub based MMO today.

Having said that, I'm not entirely against them offering the Crafting Bags through the Crown store, but I also understand why they made it a ESO Plus perk as well.

ContraTempo · April 2016

Would you guys consider taking the debate on whether crafting bags should be limited to ESO+ to a separate thread so developers/testers don't have to wade through 100+ messages to find feedback on functionality?

Tevalaur · April 2016

ContraTempo wrote: »

Would you guys consider taking the debate on whether crafting bags should be limited to ESO+ to a separate thread so developers/testers don't have to wade through 100+ messages to find feedback on functionality?

The thread's opening post asks for "general feedback" as well as specific functionality questions. The thread title doesn't say it's only about functionality, and the exclusivity of it is one of the hottest discussions about it. Shouldn't the developers read the posts and hear what people are saying on it rather than "wade past"?

ContraTempo · April 2016

Using the craft bag:

My mats went in fine. This included the Crown Mimic stones. Nice.
I gathered every type of mat (alchemy, balcksmith, woodwork, etc) and all went directly into the bag.
My provisioner was able to make food, no problem.
I noticed that we cannot split a stack in the bag but the ability to withdraw only what we need took care of that.
While scrolling in the craft bag with my master crafter (not making anything, just looking at content) my screen froze. My controls were still functional but my screen was frozen (except for the mouse cursor). I had to /quit. I did not have any addons. [EDIT: This happened again in combat so it's not just the craft bag]

I agree that contents need to be accessible from stores and from mail.

Ayantir · April 2016

So few feedback .......

As my point of view :

- Moving an item from Crafting bag to bag require a free slot.
Use an existing one, just scan the bag for the same itemInstanceId , check stackcount and move it if there is enought space...

GetSlotStackSize() on an item in crafting bag returns the same value as an item in another bag.. well it could have returned the correct value. 2^16, I don't know what.

Crafting Bag is not available at bank. Addon is incoming. Why didn't you allowed a Crafting Bag <-> Banks ? ...

I'll have to do it myself .. What a pain

Regards,

One of your main addons author.