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Idea to Possibly Improve Sorcerer (Sustained) DPS Without Using Overload
Valrien
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The issue with giving Sorcerers a spammable direct damage ability is that it's impossible as changing any skills that they have as a part of their base skill line will *** off a majority/minority of Sorcerers that actually use one of those skills for a legitimate purpose. I propose an idea to improve Sorcerer DPS and make everyone happy. You ready for it?
Bound Weapons. With the way ZOS implemented pets last patch, you can use a similar system to change Bound Aegis and Bound Armaments to give Sorcerers a direct damage ability after the ability is toggled on. The Magicka morph, Bound Aegis, will give the Minor Armor/Spell Resist buffs and increase Max Magicka by 8% like it does now...but after it's cast it will change into a skill that conjures a bound weapon and is used against the enemy (my idea is firing an arrow from a Bound Bow to allow the Sorcerer the option of staying ranged). The stamina morph gives the armor and stamina buff, but would be a sword strike with an animation similar to Puncture to allow stam Sorcs as well to have good sustained DPS.
In addition, I propose that the Energized and Disintegrate passives be changed to accommodate Shock, Physical (Wind?), and possibly even Magic damage if the weapons end up being that type and that abilities like Liquid Lightning, Velocious Curse (with the pet damage be made a part of the base skill), and Overload (I vote Power Overload) be given an identical stamina morph with wind effects that do Physical damage.
THIS would be a step in the right direction for improving the Sorcerer class's DPS in PvE.
Edited by Valrien on May 4, 2016 6:37PM Bound Weapons. With the way ZOS implemented pets last patch, you can use a similar system to change Bound Aegis and Bound Armaments to give Sorcerers a direct damage ability after the ability is toggled on. The Magicka morph, Bound Aegis, will give the Minor Armor/Spell Resist buffs and increase Max Magicka by 8% like it does now...but after it's cast it will change into a skill that conjures a bound weapon and is used against the enemy (my idea is firing an arrow from a Bound Bow to allow the Sorcerer the option of staying ranged). The stamina morph gives the armor and stamina buff, but would be a sword strike with an animation similar to Puncture to allow stam Sorcs as well to have good sustained DPS.
In addition, I propose that the Energized and Disintegrate passives be changed to accommodate Shock, Physical (Wind?), and possibly even Magic damage if the weapons end up being that type and that abilities like Liquid Lightning, Velocious Curse (with the pet damage be made a part of the base skill), and Overload (I vote Power Overload) be given an identical stamina morph with wind effects that do Physical damage.
THIS would be a step in the right direction for improving the Sorcerer class's DPS in PvE.
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
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✭✭...so, yet another skill that potentially takes up two skillbar slots (one on each of your bars)...0 -
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✭✭I know! How about making it so toggle abilities stay toggled on even if you swap bars.
You know - so sorcs actually have normal skills that take up one slot like every other class has, instead of two slots.
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✭✭✭I know! How about making it so toggle abilities stay toggled on even if you swap bars.
You know - so sorcs actually have normal skills that take up one slot like every other class has, instead of two slots.
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Considering all it does is add an extra function to bound armor it doesn't change much as most Sorcs already run the skill. I wouldn't object to a toggle fix but as it is, nothing changes as far as what's slotted except you may save a slot by not using Force Pulse.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭The problem with sorcerer dps is that it revolves around overload too much. What sorcerer needs is for mages fury and morphs to execute at higher health. Maybe at 25-30% instead of 20% and for the initial stike to scale higher with lower health.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.3 -
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✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Sorc dps isnt enough already? l0l
Compared to the other classes? No.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Magicka Sorc can out DPS everything except maybe a Stam NB.
If youre having trouble DPSing with a sorc you need to examine your build.
And Yes Ive played both.Edited by Katahdin on April 29, 2016 3:08AMBeta tester November 20132 -
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✭✭✭Magicka Sorc can out DPS everything except maybe a Stam NB.
If youre having trouble DPSing with a sorc you need to examine your build.
And Yes Ive played both.
Do you PvE?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Lol sorcs qqing stamplars have to slot repentance to get additional recovery have worthless defense and main dos ability relies on a passive that has an internal cool down so it doesn't proc every time plus no physical ult to scale with currently.sorcs are the last people to be crying about dps when you can build and save ult and then spam for 40k light attacks. Sure buff sorc dps and then eliminate overload or you can only fire off one and it costs 200 that's fair. GTFO about sorc dps2
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CasNation✭✭✭✭✭Excellent suggestion @Valrien. I really like the idea of Bound Armaments finally being an active skill.
It also be nice if we could have the pets function without being on both bars. Now that they have active skills that are strong, I don't see why the pets shouldnt be able to function while on the off bar. You still get the benefit of the pet, but if you need to use the ability, you still need to swap bars.
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✭✭✭✭✭Bound Weapons. With the way ZOS implemented pets last patch, you can use a similar system to change Bound Aegis and Bound Armaments to give Sorcerers a direct damage ability after the ability is toggled on. The Magicka morph, Bound Aegis, will give the Minor Armor/Spell Resist buffs and increase Max Magicka by 8% like it does now...but after it's cast it will change into a skill that conjures a bound weapon and is used against the enemy (my idea is firing an arrow from a Bound Bow to allow the Sorcerer the option of staying ranged). The stamina morph gives the armor and stamina buff, but would be a sword strike with an animation similar to Puncture to allow stam Sorcs as well to have good sustained DPS.
That would be too similar to Merciless Resolve of NBs or its stamina morph Relentless Focus. I don't think, ZoS would add something that takes another class' uniqueness away.Edited by susmitds on April 29, 2016 3:54AM0 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭Bound Weapons. With the way ZOS implemented pets last patch, you can use a similar system to change Bound Aegis and Bound Armaments to give Sorcerers a direct damage ability after the ability is toggled on. The Magicka morph, Bound Aegis, will give the Minor Armor/Spell Resist buffs and increase Max Magicka by 8% like it does now...but after it's cast it will change into a skill that conjures a bound weapon and is used against the enemy (my idea is firing an arrow from a Bound Bow to allow the Sorcerer the option of staying ranged). The stamina morph gives the armor and stamina buff, but would be a sword strike with an animation similar to Puncture to allow stam Sorcs as well to have good sustained DPS.
That would be too similar to Merciless Resolve of NBs or its stamina morph Relentless Focus. I don't think, ZoS would add something that takes another class' uniqueness away.
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✭✭✭Bound Weapons. With the way ZOS implemented pets last patch, you can use a similar system to change Bound Aegis and Bound Armaments to give Sorcerers a direct damage ability after the ability is toggled on. The Magicka morph, Bound Aegis, will give the Minor Armor/Spell Resist buffs and increase Max Magicka by 8% like it does now...but after it's cast it will change into a skill that conjures a bound weapon and is used against the enemy (my idea is firing an arrow from a Bound Bow to allow the Sorcerer the option of staying ranged). The stamina morph gives the armor and stamina buff, but would be a sword strike with an animation similar to Puncture to allow stam Sorcs as well to have good sustained DPS.
That would be too similar to Merciless Resolve of NBs or its stamina morph Relentless Focus. I don't think, ZoS would add something that takes another class' uniqueness away.
Nah, they would never do that... :`( But it's got its differences. Relentless focus is a burst skill that needs to be charged and has an artificial cooldown (3 light attacks). The Bound Weapons proposal simply gives an instant cast DPS spam ability.
In fact the only similarity I see is that it changes the function of the base skill while in use :PValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭Lol sorcs qqing stamplars have to slot repentance to get additional recovery have worthless defense and main dos ability relies on a passive that has an internal cool down so it doesn't proc every time plus no physical ult to scale with currently.sorcs are the last people to be crying about dps when you can build and save ult and then spam for 40k light attacks. Sure buff sorc dps and then eliminate overload or you can only fire off one and it costs 200 that's fair. GTFO about sorc dps
1. Stamplars are getting crazy buffs next update.
2. Fine, I love that compromize. Make it a one-off skill, keep the same damage and cost, and add respectable DPS abilities.
You really do have a lot of hate in your heart for Sorcerers, don't you?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Sorc dps isnt enough already? l0l
Compared to the other classes? No.
Because 68k overload light attacks is too weak? Lol what other class do you know hits that hard with a single spammable ability?1 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »Sorc dps isnt enough already? l0l
Compared to the other classes? No.
Because 68k overload light attacks is too weak? Lol what other class do you know hits that hard with a single spammable ability?
Do you know another class that only does respectable DPS for about 30-45 seconds before dropping off drastically? Also 68k is very circumstantial, what exactly are you doing to get those numbers?
Good Sorcerers use Shooting Star over Overload in vMoL, btw.Edited by Valrien on April 29, 2016 4:16AMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Lol sorcs qqing stamplars have to slot repentance to get additional recovery have worthless defense and main dos ability relies on a passive that has an internal cool down so it doesn't proc every time plus no physical ult to scale with currently.sorcs are the last people to be crying about dps when you can build and save ult and then spam for 40k light attacks. Sure buff sorc dps and then eliminate overload or you can only fire off one and it costs 200 that's fair. GTFO about sorc dps
1. Stamplars are getting crazy buffs next update.
2. Fine, I love that compromize. Make it a one-off skill, keep the same damage and cost, and add respectable DPS abilities.
You really do have a lot of hate in your heart for Sorcerers, don't you?
No hate it's funny watching every sorc on the forums cry it's the easiest class to play it's like a point and click adventure game have tankiness mobility good dps but it's never enough for the qqers of the forum.and according to the Templars in the pts thread stamplars are also getting nerfs as well. But continue the faux outrage of sorc dps1 -
americansteel✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »Sorc dps isnt enough already? l0l
hardest hitting ult and ppl want more dps, almost insta cast spammable WAAAY OP dps and ppl want more dps. sorcs are god mode and ppl still ask for stronger shields and higher dps.
i laugh at those who play the class, pvp regards nerf the d a m n class severly add heavy costs for streak and mines.
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✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »Sorc dps isnt enough already? l0l
hardest hitting ult and ppl want more dps, almost insta cast spammable WAAAY OP dps and ppl want more dps. sorcs are god mode and ppl still ask for stronger shields and higher dps.
i laugh at those who play the class, pvp regards nerf the d a m n class severly add heavy costs for streak and mines.
I'm guessing you don't actually play Sorc and you just listen to whatever drivel you read from the casual of the day on the forums.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭reroll stam dk they got to be getting near 50k next patch. for sorc though any changes have to come with an overload nerf otherwise it throws pvp balance out. i think they should remove overload entirely it makes the job of balancing them for pve and pvp nigh on impossible. for eg if they where to give you a decent spamable overload would make it to op in pvp0 -
incite✭✭✭✭Seems a lot of people think they have a valid opinion when it comes to pvp sorcs, how laughable when i read some of the comments herePC EU
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✭✭✭reroll stam dk they got to be getting near 50k next patch. for sorc though any changes have to come with an overload nerf otherwise it throws pvp balance out. i think they should remove overload entirely it makes the job of balancing them for pve and pvp nigh on impossible. for eg if they where to give you a decent spamable overload would make it to op in pvp
Sadly that's what I'm already doing. I already have most of the BiS gear for it (Mephala, maelstrom weapons, etc.,.). I just need to buy Agility jewelry before the prices rise from the flood of stamina builds and/or farm for Alkosh rings.
If you want me to be perfectly honest I want Overload gone. Looking at everyone's arguments it's the one reason Sorcerers can't have a DPS buff. I personally never understood the reasoning of making a class's DPS rely entirely on a single ultimate that's only good for one or two fights in an entire dungeon.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭Seems a lot of people think they have a valid opinion when it comes to pvp sorcs, how laughable when i read some of the comments here
Is that a jab at people who want to improve Sorcerers or nerf them to the ground? :PValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Yes and my Sorc is always welcome in dungeons for DPS.
I also PvP
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✭✭✭more DPS for a mag sorc? Interesting... What game are you playing anyways?
Same game where Sorcs sustained DPS is at the low-end of the totem pole. Overload only lasts about 45 seconds, you know.
What DPS do you pull in fights lasting a minute or more? Or just what DPS do you pull outside of Overload?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2
