ZOS WTH are you killing my stam DK 2H build with your NERF????!!!!!

  • Balabù
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    Krist wrote: »
    Balabù wrote: »
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    altemriel wrote: »
    I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

    Lol 2H sucks in PvE.

    It isn't that bad in PvE if used properly.

    DW primary + bow secondary is still more powerful than 2H and anything else, it's a fact. First because of Blood Craze, Steel Tornado and DW passives. Second because of rapid strikes and Maelström weapons.

    2H is not bad, it's true, but you won't reach 30k+ single target DPS easily with that weapon. Maybe not at all.
    Btw, it's very useful in vMA if you need a healing (which I don't need actually).
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  • Shardaxx
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    Thank god they are finally nerfing WB, its way OP. Great news.
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  • Oompuh
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    Executioner hits harder from what I've seen, so yeah
    Use Dizzying swing for the cc. your spammable loses it's empower but your dots hit 25% with mighty.
    and for PvE? use Flurry, not WB.

    DK seems to be a good place to me
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  • Pirhana7_ESO
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    altemriel wrote: »
    Pallio wrote: »
    PvP is apparently the only thing that matters now.

    I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

    PVP, it pretty much sucks for me to ride my mount 10 minutes, to be killed in 5 seconds.....do not like...

    It should never take you more than 2 minutes to get to the battle line or action spot. release to the closest keep you own, ride to th next keep under attack, or hide on the supply route and ambush. Unless yourside is winning and pushing for a scroll, its only a 2 minute horse ride to the action
  • Pirhana7_ESO
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    altemriel wrote: »
    That is a change to 2hand not DKs.........


    Call it a nerf or buff it is a change to 2hand which ALL classes use. It has nothing to do with your class

    DKs as a class actually got buffed, especially stamina builds changing to poison, they do alot more damage now.

    You really need to change this post title to 2hand. Also that skill still has the knock back and stun you just need to choose the morph between that and the 20% empowerbuff.



    Ok I changed it to stam dk 2H build..


    well according to the patch notes, the stun and knockback has been eliminated and that is my problem with this skill nerf!!


    and executioner......hell no! I do not need increased damage +50, it already did hit hard, I the increase of the damage of all Two Handed abilities while slotted;!!!! stacking!!


    the same with WB, why was there a need for nerf?? the knockback and stun was the major part of that skill effect, which enabled my DK to use heal or crit rush in the meantime. but now nothing like that is working anymore :(


    The stun and knockback are still there, they are just on the other morph now
  • Karamis_Vimardon
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  • sagitter
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    Op , i know why you feel nerfed...
    This probably is your bar : :o

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    Time to do some adjustment.
  • GeorgeBlack
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    2h was the most OP by far option for stamina builds. It had sustain and maj brut with Rally
    It had a gap closer.
    It had an executioning skill

    It had wrecking blow which dealt massive dmg, applied bonus dmg and knocked the trgt back every 5 sec.

    IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGE. THE CHANGE IS FAIR
  • susmitds
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    altemriel wrote: »
    oh, f***k, really!!!

    ZOS, WHY YOU NERFED MY STAMDRAGONKNIGHT AGAIN????!!!!

    these WERE my main hitting skills that made the core of my build!! now it is all f***ed.


    seriously I am considering deleting this game :(:(

    Why to heck ZOS do you always when I learn to play a new build have to nerf it and send it to hell?????

    this must be a wrong copy-paste from the April 1st patch notes!!!!

    this is just impossible!!!!!

    I hate this company!!!

    Two Handed

    Executioner (Reverse Slash morph): Redesigned this morph so it no longer passively increases the damage of all Two Handed abilities while slotted; instead, it increases the scaling bonus damage to low health targets to a maximum of 335/340/345/350% more damage at Ranks I/II/III/IV, increased from 300%.


    Wrecking Blow morph no longer knockback and stun enemies hit.
    Note: Wrecking Blow will continue to add the Major Empower buff to your next attack as a morph effect.



    Executioner itself got a massive buff.
  • susmitds
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    altemriel wrote: »
    l2p

    EDIT: Not sure if troll

    I am not trolling!

    yes, l2p, but how should i learn to play, when it is now 2nd time that I finally learned how to play my build, they AGAIN nerf it to hell??

    it is really not funny anymore ZOS!!

    You mean you leant to spam WB?
    Edited by susmitds on April 29, 2016 3:34AM
  • Lokey0024
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    Recremen wrote: »
    The Executioner change is actually extremely misleading, it never gave you a bonus to all 2-handed skills while slotted, unless the enemy was under 25% health or some threshold like that. At that point, you would almost certainly be using Executioner anyway, except on edge-case situations like charging a low-health target or Wrecking Blow against a permablocker. Thus, the 18% (if I recall correctly) damage boost against low-health targets is way lower than the now 50% increase in damage to Executioner.

    Crit rush low health runners worked beautifully.
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    Lokey0024 wrote: »
    Recremen wrote: »
    The Executioner change is actually extremely misleading, it never gave you a bonus to all 2-handed skills while slotted, unless the enemy was under 25% health or some threshold like that. At that point, you would almost certainly be using Executioner anyway, except on edge-case situations like charging a low-health target or Wrecking Blow against a permablocker. Thus, the 18% (if I recall correctly) damage boost against low-health targets is way lower than the now 50% increase in damage to Executioner.

    Crit rush low health runners worked beautifully.

    It really did, that's why I had to mention it as an edge case that would be sorely missed.
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  • LorDrek
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    New changes buff stam dk more than 15%, execitioner need buff, wb need remove knock and stun from pve, in pvp use dizz morph. Still is better boost 2 skills + 25% dmg and armor pen, than knock and stun.
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  • olsborg
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    the most dangerous stamdks run sword and board anyway...

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  • Gallier65
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    Just a question You Play pve so i can't See a nerf. Every Boss has knochback immunity and You still have a morph for 20% more damage. If You use it on add groups to stun them then perhaps You have to l2p with aoe?
  • Bulljoker
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    @altemriel the other morph still have a knockback and stun, so i really dont know why are you bitching .. get your facts before you cry here
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  • MattT1988
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    I use WB in pve. I'm actually happy they got rid of the knockback. Do you know how many times I've accidentally WB'd something off an edge and have to drag my arse down to bloody sea level to finish it off to have to climb all the way back up again?
  • DenniMyuu
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    What exactly is the problem with the WB knockback nerf in PVE? The damage is still the same. O.o
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  • Ommy71
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    NativeJoe wrote: »
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    Shame really... how will you ever kill people with this without the stun and knock back? : ( I feel for you.


    OMG 32k physical damage??? :o

    I want your build, mate.
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  • altemriel
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    code65536 wrote: »
    altemriel wrote: »
    Necrelios wrote: »
    If you're more into the PvE aspect of the game, have you considered playing as a magicka dk? I do play both but tend to lean towards my magicka build more for PvE for better sustain and versatility. It might not be the end, but a new beginning for your DK.

    EDIT: In case trolling, gg, wp.



    well I do not consider changing my stam to mag - changing my build, gear, CP, everything..., I like stam, that is the thing...

    But you're an Altmer... magicka would be better for you anyway.

    But let's say you stick with stam. For PvE, 2H really wasn't very good to begin with. DW/bow is better for PvE--more damage, more AOE. Most people who spam the 2H wrecking blow are PvPers who use that skill specifically for the stun and knockback--but in PvE, that stun and knockback isn't very useful, and the raw damage output of DW/bow is better. That, and you need a lot more AOE in PvE, and 2H sucks at that.



    yes, I know that altmer is a magicka buffed race, not stamina. but I did not know it in the beginning when I started playing. and I made such a pretty high elf, that I want to keep her. and also I like 2H weapons and skills too. for magicka DK the only option is staff as ranged damage (maybe DW too, I am not sure about that) and I really prefer melee damage. so, I probably will wait for barber shop and race change and I will change her into some stam race. Also changing her to magicka would mean changing gear, build, CP, skill points, everything and I do not want to do that all. so nevermind...

    the whole thing is, that I am too lazy to start all over again (learn new build and change everything).
    Edited by altemriel on April 29, 2016 5:38PM
  • sirrmattus
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    bro. they buffed the *** out of stam dk
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    bro. they buffed the *** out of stam dk

    By 'buffed the *** out of' do you mean they changed the 2 stamina dots to poison dmg?
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    bro. they buffed the *** out of stam dk

    More like "buffed the barf" out of Stam DK
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  • Necrelios
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    Tryxus wrote: »
    sirrmattus wrote: »
    bro. they buffed the *** out of stam dk

    More like "buffed the barf" out of Stam DK

    I can see this in the future patch notes:

    Dragon Fire Scales: A new stamina moph for this ability has been added and the name of the ability has been changed to Dragon Digestive Acids. Instead of reflecting projectiles back at your enemies, you will now consume them and regurgitate them back at the enemy, with a poison damage over time effect added stacking up to 10 times. Your target will be snared in place by sticky green goo for 20 seconds and will loose 7850 armor and spell resistance.
    Edited by Necrelios on April 29, 2016 6:04PM
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  • Psychotius
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    I'm literally planning on rolling a stam dk just because of this patch. Change to 2H is unfortunate, but the changes to stamina abilities for DK are impressive so far in PTS.
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  • RDMyers65b14_ESO
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    I understand your frustration, OP. No one likes change. But, due to how some people were using the skill, it had to be changed. You learn to adapt. As a brilliant man once said, "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans."
    Edited by RDMyers65b14_ESO on April 29, 2016 8:33PM
  • Destyran
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    Stam dks will be highest dps this patch wont they? Im making one now. l2p with out uppercut leap.
  • Parafrost
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    If anything, stam sorcs are affected by this.
  • Parafrost
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    Necrelios wrote: »
    Well here is the thing, I've been playing around with the new poison morphs on PTS, and you get to spew green vomit on everything now and it is awesome. How many classes get to do that?! So I would just take a step back, look at the new changes with an open mind and then run around vomiting on everything for a while and see how it goes :smile: .

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  • Parafrost
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    Shardaxx wrote: »
    Thank god they are finally nerfing WB, its way OP. Great news.

    Its not a nerf. it still keeps its empower and ppl will use other means of cc and still spam wrecking blow.
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