Calling dibs on "skimpy" "revealing" and any similar terms to prevent zos having to scroll through pages of some folk's desperate attempts to get their :^) on through this system.

@JD2013 Just saying, Valve does this plenty with their workshop system implemented into Dota 2 amongst other multiplayer titles. Not that I really think zos could just pick up and decide to have it work within eso, but it's demonstrably a thing that *can* work for cosmetics and such while still being profitable for the devs and artists of the content.

O K so here is what I do think would work but this is a MMO type of server so it's gonna differ.

***player created but submitted content to ZOS under tight parameters
-1 quest
-cosmetic player items
-costumes
-* possibly some selected group could submit delves

It probably will never happen, but doesn't mean I won't support the idea!

+1 Gidorick

Hmm...player created content with secret exploits included.

Gidorick wrote: »

I've touched on this idea before (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144735/player-created-content-suggestion-for-the-future-of-eso/p1) but I think it's important to keep this topic fresh.

ZOS, Please release the "Creation Kit" for ESO and include a way for players to submit content to ZOS for official inclusion into ESO.

ESO would be better for it in almost every way.

It won't ever happen.

Like every other MMORPG ever, this is a persistent, "online only" world. Things like a "Creation Kit", "GECK", etc., will never mesh well with or be a viable addition to such a system.

UPrime wrote: »

If it does happen it would be using existing in game assets. There's no way to police all of the inappropriate stuff that can be uploaded otherwise. Basically you'd be able to create maps/quests and that's it. That's basically what other MMO's have done in the past. I think it would fit the story/lore heavy Elder Scrolls world in general. But it's a huge undertaking.

They could totally have people submit reskins and meshes for armors, costumes, pets, and mounts.

new textures and enemies... probably not so much. I agree the "quest creation" would have to use existing assets. But each new DLC comes with new assets, so that's not a problem!

Gidorick wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I've touched on this idea before (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144735/player-created-content-suggestion-for-the-future-of-eso/p1) but I think it's important to keep this topic fresh.

ZOS, Please release the "Creation Kit" for ESO and include a way for players to submit content to ZOS for official inclusion into ESO.

ESO would be better for it in almost every way.

It won't ever happen.

Like every other MMORPG ever, this is a persistent, "online only" world. Things like a "Creation Kit", "GECK", etc., will never mesh well with or be a viable addition to such a system.

No @Uriel_Nocturne ?

Check out Star Trek Online and Neverwinter...

Don't know about Star Trek Online, but Neverwinter let's players create instances. You select something from a list and get teleported there, it's afaik not part of 'the map'. I'm not sure how that would work in ESO - let players only create the inside of delves or daedric planes?

There's a quality bar set by ZOS in terms of writing, VO, music that is very hard to replicate by random modders at home. Neverwinter does not have the same thing: it hardly has VO and it's writing is very mediocre.

Having it become an official part of ESO, ZOS wants it to be good. It either invests in creating a kit (if the Hero Engine is even fit for something like that) that people without a degree in coding can use to make content and work out a pipeline with employees to test all the stuff, ensure its lorefriendliness, correct for typo's, glitches, general look and feel and checks VO and music, or keeps everything in-house. Given the circumstance they're in the business of providing an on-going service to their customers, I'd do the latter, and most companies agree with me.

Skyrim had the luxury of being able to sell copies and then let players do whatever: mods were singular to each player. ZOS needs to maintain one build across several platforms. Even in Skyrim's ideal case of free-for-all modding, there's only a handful of 'content' mods that Bethesda would ever consider making official. Content mods being mods with actual quest lines, writing, VO and music. Is that worth the hassle? For Skyrim it is, because Bethesda can take their hands off it and let players have fun with whatever mods suit their fancy. But for ESO, I really doubt it.

Put it in something about Vaermina and her realm of quagmire. Player creations could be dreams and nightmares and as such, anything goes within reason. Including lorebreaking things, as they are dreams.

susmitds wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I've touched on this idea before (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144735/player-created-content-suggestion-for-the-future-of-eso/p1) but I think it's important to keep this topic fresh.

ZOS, Please release the "Creation Kit" for ESO and include a way for players to submit content to ZOS for official inclusion into ESO.

ESO would be better for it in almost every way.

And before you just write this off as an impossibility, Neverwinter and Star Trek Online already do this sort of thing. It CAN be done in an MMO.

This will never happen, as this game puts a lot more emphasis on lore and player made additions will totally break that.
Remember that ESO is very much Elder Scroll, while being MMORPG as well.
LS himself said things like flying mounts and other stuff that you can see in other MMORPGs wont be here in ESO so as not to break lore.

Hence why only "officially accepted" content would be released. If the only way to get your content out there was to follow the general lore and anesthetic of the game, creators would fall in line.

ZOS would own every idea and all content submitted, and you'd be lucky to get a small stipend for it. ZOS can sit on all of it indefinitely with no legal obligation to publish that work.

It's just one tiny step above spec work, and more about people wanting their name associated with the brand than anything else. Somehow designing an unreleased hat turns into "Created a major piece of content for the Elder Scrolls brand" on a resume.

Developers and producers already pat themselves heavily on the back with substantial embellishments (LinkedIn shouldn't be a comedy site... yet somehow it often is). No need to open that up to thousands of other egos in a business already full of egos.

Gidorick wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I've touched on this idea before (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144735/player-created-content-suggestion-for-the-future-of-eso/p1) but I think it's important to keep this topic fresh.

ZOS, Please release the "Creation Kit" for ESO and include a way for players to submit content to ZOS for official inclusion into ESO.

ESO would be better for it in almost every way.

And before you just write this off as an impossibility, Neverwinter and Star Trek Online already do this sort of thing. It CAN be done in an MMO.

This will never happen, as this game puts a lot more emphasis on lore and player made additions will totally break that.
Remember that ESO is very much Elder Scroll, while being MMORPG as well.
LS himself said things like flying mounts and other stuff that you can see in other MMORPGs wont be here in ESO so as not to break lore.

Hence why only "officially accepted" content would be released. If the only way to get your content out there was to follow the general lore and anesthetic of the game, creators would fall in line.

There's also the issue of conflict of design. Kai recently stated (on the forums, in German) that ZOS has plans for ESO up to the end of 2017, in a more or less fixed state. They obviously don't want to disclose it all, but it shows they're looking to the future. This means content creators needn't only worry about creating stuff in-line with what's already in the game, but also with what is coming to the game in the future, which ZOS obviously won't tell them.

In Neverwinter this is less of a problem, because content creators there create their own pocket instances that have no bearing on the larger world whatsoever.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I've touched on this idea before (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/144735/player-created-content-suggestion-for-the-future-of-eso/p1) but I think it's important to keep this topic fresh.

ZOS, Please release the "Creation Kit" for ESO and include a way for players to submit content to ZOS for official inclusion into ESO.

ESO would be better for it in almost every way.

It won't ever happen.

Like every other MMORPG ever, this is a persistent, "online only" world. Things like a "Creation Kit", "GECK", etc., will never mesh well with or be a viable addition to such a system.

No @Uriel_Nocturne ?

Check out Star Trek Online and Neverwinter...

The only issue with that is that Neverwinter only allows players to create Quests for other players to play through. They aren't adding new textures or meshes or any other resource to the game, simply playing around with a Quest design system. The players ar ethen instanced into said Quests, so even that is a space separated from the "regular" game world.

That particular situation might work in ESO, but nothing else about a Creation Kit/GECK would be feasible.

For what it's worth; I'd personally love to run through Quests designed by the Community. The Elder Scrolls community has always fostered some extremely creative individuals, and I think they would create some damn amazing Quests with a limited system like that.

Lost Spires anyone? Or how about Undeath that one was pretty good. I also like Moon and Star.

Really Gid, I would rather have ZOS spend their time and resources fixing bugs from content they created rather than worrying about other bugs from player created content. I'll have to give a thumbs down on this idea, sorry.

I completely agree with @Gidorick on this one. I write Tabletop RPGs, I would love to get together with a team who knew the kit and write a number of Veteran Dungeons for players.