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Goodbye Magicka Dk
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Darsaga✭✭✭I'm a little torn on Magic DKs at the moment. Against any good (player) magic class it is nearly impossible to win without an ultimate. At the same time I have played it enough to know that a buff to the whip could be overkill.
What I would like to have on my Magic DK is a dragon roar similar to mass hysteria with either a buff to flame damage for x seconds or a weakness to flame damage for x seconds.
Second, major expedition buff while reflective scales is active.
That is all I really feel they need especially with the change coming to sorc shields.1 -
Darsaga✭✭✭Oh also a little cost reduction to the whip. I find in good sorc duels I run out of magic trying to burn those shields.0
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Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
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You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.
i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.
You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.
How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.
in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)
You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board
If you have that much stats and still can't kill things you need to practice more on your rotation and how to engage.
There is a nice medium on DK between raw power/offense and defensive play. You probably sacrificed all of your defense to get those stats.
yeh what ish said. I find that amount of SD overkill, i would rather get more sustain/ultimates through bloodspawn
You think it will be more beneficial to run heavy armor in the next update?0 -
imapogostick✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »So the class is dead because a non-class skill that everyone else used was changed?
Yes because magic dk has no way to actually kill anyone.unless you wanna keep spamming lash for 2k dmg.which I bet you run out of magic before you kill them. I switched to magic dk again and laughed myself Right back to stam dk. Magic dk blows harrrrdEdited by imapogostick on April 26, 2016 3:29PM1 -
Darsaga✭✭✭I only run around 2.4k spell damage and my average whip hits for 4-5k Power lash crits for almost 8k.0
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You're missing the point, it's not that I rely on proxy det. It's that magicka Dk has a low amount of burst so it is very helpful to time skills with proxy det to effectively burst someone down. I'm sure you do "just fine" in relevance to your skill. But I have a feeling that other classes are doing more than "just fine" and are easily 3 hitting people.
i feel like mDK is fine with burst. With inhale, whip and a power lash with a dot on the side, you have more then enough damage to take people out.
You're right that its not like a stamblade or a sorc but those are different classes and have different playstyles, mDK has its own way to burst.
How much spell power do you have that you can burst down a Templar? And surviving a NB burst from stealth then putting pressure on him and killing him? Just curious.
in light armour, with about 2.4k buffed, and about 38k magicka. If i wanna burst down a healing templar i need to time a meteor coz otherwise its just lol no. gankblades can be dealt with a dodge roll, CC and get a whip heal or heal using igenous + dragon blood (or whatever you use to heal)
You only have 2.4k buffed? I'm at 3.2k spell damage buffed with 40% crit, 2450 critical resistance, and 38.5k magicka... I must be doing something way wrong... Lol back to the drawing board
If you have that much stats and still can't kill things you need to practice more on your rotation and how to engage.
There is a nice medium on DK between raw power/offense and defensive play. You probably sacrificed all of your defense to get those stats.
yeh what ish said. I find that amount of SD overkill, i would rather get more sustain/ultimates through bloodspawn
You think it will be more beneficial to run heavy armor in the next update?
It's looking very promising for the build I want to run. The added spell damage will help bridge the gap between light and heavy Armour however the biggest concern will be with resource management. Testing it on live in outnumbered will be the best answer unfortunately coz duels can only show you so much.imapogostick wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »So the class is dead because a non-class skill that everyone else used was changed?
Yes because magic dk has no way to actually kill anyone.unless you wanna keep spamming lash for 2k dmg.which I bet you run out of magic before you kill them. I switched to magic dk again and laughed myself Right back to stam dk. Magic dk blows harrrrd
Idk what tank you are hitting to get 2k whips lolVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sorry but prox det actually needed a nerf because players discovered you can double dip your CP to maximize prox and achieve BS like this:
13k prox det..... on a SINGLE target who happens to have:
7/7 impen
20k both resists
2500 crit resistance
22k HP.
OTOH, I heard fragmented shield got a buff and hopefully it'll work similar to fragmented shield from the good ol' days
(w/o the brokeness tho).Edited by PainfulFAFA on April 26, 2016 11:28PM0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.
Please explain to me how you jump from a rebalacing of proxy det to "goodbye magicka dk." This is a very big jump with very little evidence that it was given a reasonable amount of consideration. I do not struggle with burst on my magicka DK, with or without proxy det. Other classes have higher burst potential, I won't deny that, but I hardly consider this as justification for saying goodbye to magicka DKs altogether...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Sorry but prox det actually needed a nerf because players discovered you can double dip your CP to maximize prox and achieve BS like this:
13k prox det..... on a SINGLE target who happens to have:
7/7 impen
20k both resists
2500 crit resistance
22k HP.
OTOH, I heard fragmented shield got a buff and hopefully it'll work similar to fragmented shield from the good ol' days
(w/o the brokeness tho).
I still think using the s/s from a obvious gank nb to nerf proxy det is a stupid idea.
Other magicka builds used proxy for extra dps, nb's used it in conjunction with minor beserk + guarantee crits, near 200% crit dmg + stun etc...
Dk's have low crit usually, low proxy tooltip (mines like 10k-11k on live) around 160% crit dmg which will get reduced to like 120% vs a pvp build. So without crit it will do like 4-5k, with crit it will do 5k-6k...PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Hutch679✭✭✭✭✭
✭No more proxy det means our already mediocre burst damage just flew right out the window. Now buff to any magic damage abilities either. What a joke.
Please explain to me how you jump from a rebalacing of proxy det to "goodbye magicka dk." This is a very big jump with very little evidence that it was given a reasonable amount of consideration. I do not struggle with burst on my magicka DK, with or without proxy det. Other classes have higher burst potential, I won't deny that, but I hardly consider this as justification for saying goodbye to magicka DKs altogether...
You're correct. I can play without it too. But it's hard to deny that without proxy det you can burst down an opponent without making it a 5 minute sustain fest. It's not a definite goodbye, I'll give it a chance. But with proxy det being nerf ed I'd like to see mDK get a finisher at least.0 -
flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Oh also a little cost reduction to the whip. I find in good sorc duels I run out of magic trying to burn those shields.
Agree, Magicka DKs arent that good with resources to begin but yeah i think whip needs a little cost reduction plus a damage buff. They could even start small with the buffs and go from there but it needs a buff damage wise and a little less on cost for our spammable ability.0