contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

We just view it differently. ,again I would rather see more diversity for a build within one skill. For instance, when running a Stam build the choice between the type of dawn breaker I like or as a MG the choice of the type of meteor I would use. It also makes more sense lore wise for the guilds to specialize in one area. I just prefer that style of diversity over splitting all the skills in half and saying you get this morph and you get that morph. Then you have to build around the morph type as opposed to having options as to which morph you would like.

While I agree with your view on diversity, this isn't an issue of options. This is more an issue of skill line purpose. Fighters Guild skill line is a counter undead/deadra skill line. You cannot cut magicka out and make it so that they cannot deal the extra damage to undead and deadra just to give stam a morph option no one will use (or rather most will rarely use, since Flawless gives a passive 5% boost to weapon damage). It is not right for the devs to make it so that magicka can no longer deal increased damage to undead and deadra while at the same time buffing stamina much more than the Mage Guild skill line buffs magicka --- and this is coming from someone who plays stamina toons. That is not how you balance a game.

I prefer the knockback over the poor +5%WD (+6 with passive and DB slotted)

Yes, the knock back is nice. I will still take the 5% more damage (btw, it is 8% with Slayer passive, not 6%) -- Slayer: Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases your Weapon Damage by 1/2/3% for each Fighters Guild ability slotted at Ranks I/II/III respectively, instead of increasing your Weapon and Spell Damage by 3/6/9% against Undead and Daedra.

Regardless, that is an aside to my issue. My issue is that they cannot and should not cut magicka toons out of a skill line that deals extra damage to undead and deadra. It will have an effect on magicka in both PvP and PvE. I would much rather they introoduce more physical ults via Weapon skill line ultimates as they said they were considering and leave Smiting magic dmg and give Slayer a buff to both weapon and spell damage. And again, I say this as unbiased as I possibly can since I play both stamina and magicka, in both PvP and PvE.

lassitershawn wrote: »

You took an incredibly useful skill away from magicka builds here and replaced it with one that most stamina builds still will not use (because Flawless Dawnbreaker provides the passive damage increase). Make one morph of Meteor do physical damage (name it Giant Asteroid or something), and keep Dawnbreaker of Smiting as magic damage. Provides more variety for both stamina and magicka, and can anyone say that is really a bad thing?

I´m a stam user since eternities, I use smiting all the way. My weapon damage is high enough already, Flawless doesnt help to kill someone and scales not nicely. Flawless was never a desirable choice for me as a stam user and wont ever be.

Please keep your biased assumptions to yourself, they only serve your agenda and dont necessarily reflect facts.

What I need as a stam sorc is a bursty ultimate - DB of Smiting! I use it now and I am more than happy with that ZOS once in a while makes wise decisions and tailors it to my needs, since magicka sorcs have plenty of other choices to do burst damage, which are not available to me.

Edziu wrote: »

problem, cry, cry and more cry hahaha
its now psyhical dmg dealing ulti and? you still can use this ulti, now abaout what is this cry? now you can see how we stamina builds was needed to play without any psyhical ults (except dragon leap for only dk)
just taste now our pain when we didn't have ulti scaling with cp
nobody forbids you to use this ulti
just taste psychical dmg ulti on your magica build like we stamina builds had nonstop and only ults with magic dmg not scaling with our cp until DB

I thought we were trying to move forward with this game for everyone, not point score over each other?

psychotic13 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

You took an incredibly useful skill away from magicka builds here and replaced it with one that most stamina builds still will not use (because Flawless Dawnbreaker provides the passive damage increase). Make one morph of Meteor do physical damage (name it Giant Asteroid or something), and keep Dawnbreaker of Smiting as magic damage. Provides more variety for both stamina and magicka, and can anyone say that is really a bad thing?

I´m a stam user since eternities, I use smiting all the way. My weapon damage is high enough already, Flawless doesnt help to kill someone and scales not nicely. Flawless was never a desirable choice for me as a stam user and wont ever be.

Please keep your biased assumptions to yourself, they only serve your agenda and dont necessarily reflect facts.

What I need as a stam sorc is a bursty ultimate - DB of Smiting! I use it now and I am more than happy with that ZOS once in a while makes wise decisions and tailors it to my needs, since magicka sorcs have plenty of other choices to do burst damage, which are not available to me.

Bursty ultimate, ok so what do mag dks and Templars use now for that? You say biased opinion yet you are contradicting yourself.

Or is everyone to use meteor now? Which will get complained about more and more than it already is.

Yes, they can use meteor and benefit from its scaling. I can`t. Now, finally, I have DB of Smiting for that. I am not contradicting myself, I am just pointing out that you have plenty of tools available as a magicka setup.

And a mag sorc can`t really complain about the lack of burst, even not counting in any ultimate.

Get real, or do you enjoy yourself playing dumb?

I think you guys need to re-read the patch notes and really understand what they have done. They have fundamentally changed the entire skill line.

Skilled Tracker grants that FG abilities do 20% more damage to Daedra/Undead. As opposed to all attacks doing 9% extra damage to Daedra/Undead as before the patch. So we only get the 20% on Dawnbreaker and Silver Bolts because Expert Hunter no longer has a damage component.

Dawnbreaker: This ability and its morphs no longer deal bonus (60%) damage to Undead and Daedra, and now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage.

Expert Hunter: Redesigned this ability and its morphs so they no longer grant a small chance to deal additional bonus damage; instead, they can be activated to reveal hidden or invisible enemies in a 6 meter radius for 5 seconds, and prevents revealed enemies from returning to stealth for 3 seconds.

Silver Bolts: This ability and its morphs no longer knock down or deal bonus damage to Undead and Daedra; instead, they now reduce the Movement Speed of any enemy hit by 40% for 6 seconds.


Even Stam users will not be hitting as hard against Daedra/Undead as before the patch:

They eliminated the 9% damage to Daedra/Undead.

They changed it to 3% weapon damage for having a FG skill slotted.

This is a wash though since Flawless was reduced to 5% damage, so having Flawless slotted is still a net gain of 8% as before the patch.

So now Flawless will still give 8% damage, be buffed by Mighty (+25%), and do 20% additional damage to Daedra/Undead due to Skilled Tracker so a 45% damage increase to Undead. However, it no longer does 60% additonal damage to Daedra/Undead as before.

Even if Dawnbreaker of Smiting was still a Magicka morph, it would not be nearly as effective since they have eliminated the 60% additional damage to Undead/Daedra.

Dawnbreaker is now a stam morph that will hit harder against all players, but will not hit Daedra/Undead as hard as it did before the patch.

just to throw this out there, what is stopping mag builds from using this ult? stam builds have been using mag ults for some time now and still hit pretty hard with them. The ults scale from highest stats. it is just the champ points that boost them up. I mean as a stam build i will still use meteor and class mag ults etc. I simpley have more options pertaining to my specialty now. a dawn breaker of smiting is still going to hit like a truck even as a mag build. dawnbreaker is still going to role over undead. nothing is stopping anyone from still utilizing this ability.

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Why does everything turn into a magicka vs stamina debate?! This isn't one versus the other

I am glad they are giving stamina love (I play both stam and mag). However, FG is not a stamina line but a counter undead line. They need to make Smiting a magicka morph and they need to add spell damage to the revised Slayer passive. Otherwise magicka toons will lose all extra damage vs undead, deadra, and werewolves, and that effects not only PvP but PvE also as numerous dungeons and content is undead.

Fighters Guild is a stamina skill line, and Mages Guild is a Magicka skill line. Slayer no longer increases damage against daedra and undead. Fighters Guild skills are now the only thing that has increased damage against daedra and undead. As a pure Magicka player I feel the Fighters Guild changes were perfectly fine and have been needed for a long time. The only thing I would like to see changed is for Slayer and Magicka Controller to mirror each other.

In PvP, unless im a gank build, im going to run DB of smiting...Especially now that it does physical. It scales RIDICULOUSLY well and it costs soooo little. + it has a KNOCKDOWN!!!! Please leave it alone. Don't assume all stam builds are gankblades who only care about max weapon damage. DB of smiting is now going to be amazing for sustained stam builds who lack access to any other phy ultimate....

There's like 3 phy ults in the game.... Incap (1/2 cos other morph is mag) , leap and DB.... And leap is gimped for some reason. Ever since TG my tooltip is at 22k but merely hits for under 10k in most encounters... I don't believe its just the phy CP introudced making it sooo weak. Is it too much to ask to give us just this 3... I mean mag already owns 90% of class skill lines... Please? TT.TT

Or at least give us more morphs for stamina from class skills and ultimates.... Litreally take away one little candy from mag and you guys throw a full fledged fit....

Lisbette wrote: »

Aaaand stam owns 4 out of the 6 of weapon skill lines, your argument is invalid.

Weapon skill lines don't have ultimates or the ability to be placed on the bar that doesn't have the weapon equipped, your snide remark is invalid.

It should be. You magicka players have mages guild abilities to play with.
If dawnbreaker should have a magicka morph, then make ice comet stamina. I have used a magicka based ultimate for 2 years now as a stamina dd, I never complained.

boundsy88 wrote: »

stam builds get a physical ult with flawless dawnbreaker, yet they give them smiting as well. WTF is a templar suppose to use now?

Meteor, bats, nova etc. You can still slot DB of smiting the same way some stam builds still slot meteor. It just wont scale with your CP the same way my standard of might or meteor dosent scale with CP.

Lisbette wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler please give us Dawnbreaker of Smiting as Magicka damage, it will be completely unused otherwise. You can make Shooting Star do Poison or Disease Damage as a trade off. But please please give magicka users this ult back. Please.

You know it won't happen so... stop QQ