Dawnbreaker of Smiting

bhlegit · April 2016

dawnbreaker now deals physical dmg.............

discuss

bhlegit · April 2016

please make dawnbreaker of smiting magical dmg

AzraelKrieg · April 2016

Another ult that dealt Physical damage was needed. Makes sense since the Fighters Guild skills are all stam based as well. A good change

bhlegit · April 2016

yes you can have it dealing pysical dmg on the other morph. I'm asking for smiting to be kept as magical dmg

RAGUNAnoOne · April 2016

I like the change to physical damage and I main magicka the game needs ults that scale with physical CP and other passives ect.

bhlegit · April 2016

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

ManDraKE · April 2016

bhlegit wrote: »

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

then give me a morph of ice comet that deals physical damage.

AzraelKrieg · April 2016

bhlegit wrote: »

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

In that case, give every ultimate one morph a physical version and one a magical version.

Strider_Roshin · April 2016

This is now going to be on all of my stamina characters. Magicka has meteor, stamina has Dawnbreaker. Finally, stamina has something good to use as an ultimate.

Lucky28 · April 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

bhlegit wrote: »

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

In that case, give every ultimate one morph a physical version and one a magical version.

that's what they needed to do from the start. at least in terms of Guild ultimates.

bhlegit · April 2016

rip

bhlegit · April 2016

the are completely different kinds of ultimates to be used in different situations. dawnbreaker is good because it is fast and cheap. I see no real reason why we couldnt retain magical dmg in one of the morphs. you guys are just being greedy. And i wouldnt be against a stamina meteor lol

bhlegit · April 2016

*they (meaning db and meteor)

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

Why does everything turn into a magicka vs stamina debate?! This isn't one versus the other

I am glad they are giving stamina love (I play both stam and mag). However, FG is not a stamina line but a counter undead line. They need to make Smiting a magicka morph and they need to add spell damage to the revised Slayer passive. Otherwise magicka toons will lose all extra damage vs undead, deadra, and werewolves, and that effects not only PvP but PvE also as numerous dungeons and content is undead.

bhlegit · April 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Why does everything turn into a magicka vs stamina debate?! This isn't one versus the other

I am glad they are giving stamina love (I play both stam and mag). However, FG is not a stamina line but a counter undead line. They need to make Smiting a magicka morph and they need to add spell damage to the revised Slayer passive. Otherwise magicka toons will lose all extra damage vs undead, deadra, and werewolves, and that effects not only PvP but PvE also as numerous dungeons and content is undead.

damn right

Tormy · April 2016

Excited for my stam db of smiting

. Wouldn't mind a poison comet tho...

bowmanz607 · April 2016

then meteor should get a stam morph

Lucky28 · April 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?. *** already been said man.

bhlegit · April 2016

refuse to grow up is right. As it stands, with the new fg changes magicka players lose all bonus dmg to daedra and undead as it now adds weapon dmg per skill slotted. This cant be right?

bowmanz607 · April 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?.

cause it makes sense to have fighters as stam and mage guild as mag.

bhlegit · April 2016

no it doesn't

Lucky28 · April 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?.

cause it makes sense to have fighters as stam and mage guild as mag.

I as well as others have already said make the guild ultimates both for magicka and stamina/magic damage and physical damage. so you're attempt to pull out the "then give Meteor a stam morph" is asinine.

and guild abilities are there to give options outside your class abilities.

zyk · April 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

bhlegit wrote: »

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

In that case, give every ultimate one morph a physical version and one a magical version.

Sure. As soon as Magicka builds have Magicka based Roll Dodge/Block/Sprint/Break-Free/Stealth.

Until that happens, @ZOS_GinaBruno please revert the change to Dawnbreaker of Smiting. This is a major PVP ultimate that Magicka builds are accustomed to having access to.

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?.

cause it makes sense to have fighters as stam and mage guild as mag.

It is this petty BS that causes the game to be so unbalanced. Try having a more unbiased approach to nerfs, buffs, and general changes and the game we all love would be in a much better state than it is now.

bowmanz607 · April 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?.

cause it makes sense to have fighters as stam and mage guild as mag.

I as well as others have already said make the guild ultimates both for magicka and stamina/magic damage and physical damage. so you're attempt to pull out the "then give Meteor a stam morph" is asinine.

and guild abilities are there to give options outside your class abilities.

i think having more options for stam builds is great. where is the diversity in saying if you want to use dawnbreaker you have to use this one. or if you want to use meteor you have to use this one for your build. I dont like that. Give me more diversity within the same skill rather than pigeon hole me into using this morph or that. I would much rather have two different ults for two different playstyles with diversity for those playstyles rather than i get one morph of every skill. That is the easy a lazy way to do things. imo.

Refuse2GrowUp · April 2016

zyk wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

bhlegit wrote: »

two morphs: flawless deals physical dmg
smiting deals amgical dmg

is that so hard to understand? both parties are happy

In that case, give every ultimate one morph a physical version and one a magical version.

Sure. As soon as Magicka builds have Magicka based Roll Dodge/Block/Sprint/Break-Free/Stealth.

Until that happens, @ZOS_GinaBruno please revert the change to Dawnbreaker of Smiting. This is major PVP ultimate that Magicka builds are accustomed to having access to.

This game isn't only PvP (although it certainly seems almost every balance consideration is based upon PvP). Simply, the FG skill tree is not a melee skill tree but a counter undead/deadra skill tree. I am truly glad that stam is getting some love this patch, and it is great that part of that love is via changes to the FG skill line. But, they cannot cut magicka out of it as it will break lore (I am not a lore junky) and it will hurt magicka in both PvP and PvE vs undead, deadra, and werewolves. That extra 9% dmg versus undead/deadra was big in PvE content such as vCoH, vCoA, vWGT, and vICP. Magicka should not be disadvantaged in PvE as a means to buff stamina. It truly is as simple as keeping Smiting magic dmg and adding spell dmg to the Slayer passive. Stamina gets all the perks; magicka merely doesn't get cut out of the equation.

Lucky28 · April 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

then meteor should get a stam morph

why do you all keep saying this as though it's some kind of counter argument?.

cause it makes sense to have fighters as stam and mage guild as mag.

I as well as others have already said make the guild ultimates both for magicka and stamina/magic damage and physical damage. so you're attempt to pull out the "then give Meteor a stam morph" is asinine.

and guild abilities are there to give options outside your class abilities.

i think having more options for stam builds is great. where is the diversity in saying if you want to use dawnbreaker you have to use this one. or if you want to use meteor you have to use this one for your build. I dont like that. Give me more diversity within the same skill rather than pigeon hole me into using this morph or that. I would much rather have two different ults for two different playstyles with diversity for those playstyles rather than i get one morph of every skill. That is the easy a lazy way to do things. imo.

Well, now mag builds just got pigeon holed into using meteor. again the point you're trying to make is asinine as there is less diversity in builds between magicka and stamina as opposed to giving both mag and stam morphs to guild ults.

bhlegit · April 2016

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i think having more options for stam builds is great. where is the diversity in saying if you want to use dawnbreaker you have to use this one. or if you want to use meteor you have to use this one for your build. I dont like that. Give me more diversity within the same skill rather than pigeon hole me into using this morph or that. I would much rather have two different ults for two different playstyles with diversity for those playstyles rather than i get one morph of every skill. That is the easy a lazy way to do things. imo.[/quote]

Well, now mag builds just got pigeon holed into using meteor. again the point you're trying to make is asinine as there is less diversity in builds between magicka and stamina. [/quote]

yeah what you just said exactly is what is happening now to amgicka builds, stop trying to eat all teh cake and share some peices around. If you want dawnbreaker to be physical dmg then fine you can have it. But allow magicka users to have a magicka morph too! also you keep saying need more ultis etc but... werewolf. do i need to say more?

boundsy88 · April 2016

RIP magic templar. now we need to push for cresent sweep to get a major buff

ArchAngeI-X · April 2016

The guaranteed knockdown needs to go, along with the nb incap strike aswell

bowmanz607 · April 2016

We just view it differently. ,again I would rather see more diversity for a build within one skill. For instance, when running a Stam build the choice between the type of dawn breaker I like or as a MG the choice of the type of meteor I would use. It also makes more sense lore wise for the guilds to specialize in one area. I just prefer that style of diversity over splitting all the skills in half and saying you get this morph and you get that morph. Then you have to build around the morph type as opposed to having options as to which morph you would like.