ZOS: Yes. Vampires. Again.

Inarre · April 2016

This is so unbalanced

RoyJade · April 2016

A gap closer could be fun and in line with vampire lore, but for the game balance it may be problematic. And as a lot of people says, it will look very close to the NB's one.
Instead of a gap closer, a grab may be fun. We aren't bloodfiend without any identity, most of us are more or less master vampire, who bring their food to them directly.

A fear is a very good idea. But not an aoe no-targetted fear like NB's one. Drain apply a "fear" like effect, but drain is also garbage in nearly every situation : channel, poor damage, laughable heal, only the control is good with timed abilities (meteor/swarm, dots, proxy det…). Make drain better, boost the damage and/or heal (one morph for each?), apply a zone fear if the target die while being drained, and you'll have your good fear without any copy.

The pet is a very good idea. A pet like shadow image or inferno, or even a pet like Sorc's one, but with a permanent effect when summoned, a timer and no need to have it in two bar. It's lore friendly, not a real copy, good for hunt leader and necropotence set, and can be really good in a dps, healer or tank rotation, depending of the pet's ability.

I would like a stamina morph for mist form, and a great boost of damage for poisoned mist.

And last but not least, I WANT a ice attack for vampire. Why not a self centered dot aoe, an ice aura ? It also can have a poison stamina morph.
Ice, for a lot of vampires, is a natural element. Poison too, for some vampires. Both of them are pretty rare in ESO, so it's even better to add them. And it will give nord a tiny boost to their passive :troll:

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2016

Instead of a gap closer, why not have the bat teleport thing from Skyrim? You'd click the ability and charge forward in a bat cloud much akin to Streak/Bolt Escape.

Valrien · April 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I only use mist form, because bugged or not, it's the best skill I know of to absorb a meteor/proxidet/radiant oppression/vicious death Cyrodiil pupu platter of doom.

That said, how about 1 non ultimate DPS skill that isn't a channel? I don't care if it's just me throwing a dead bat at someone. Just 1, that's all.

I'm also in favor of adding 5k magicka at night and removing 5k health during the day.

Just block it. You take like barely any damage. Block abs dodge roll/streak/purify.

Not that simple. I have under 10k stamina. 2 dodge rolls and I can't block anything. For some builds that's totally true and works well for sure. When your a 64 point into magic, all infused light armor player blocking isn't nearly as effective. I also can't block while rapidly escaping a Zerg. Mist form allows me to do that. 1 on 1 you absolutely are right. 1 on 25, not so much. I like surviving long odds even as the glassiest of glass cannons. Mist form let's me do that.

Side note: I changed to a human 2 weeks ago to try. I was lost without it.

I don't find it an issue at all. With any of my magica toons.

Ice comet is a horrible ultimate unless you time it with other skills. Any semi competent player will negate/avoid it's damage.

And I find it to be a very effective skill that works for me. I've killed emperors with it before and plenty of other toons. What works for someone won't work for everyone else.

Steph Curry can't rebound that well and would be an awful center with his set up. Doesn't mean he is awful at basketball.

As for the assiest troll, please explain how awesome your build is and why it's so much better than mine. I really can't wait! I bet you got a lot of spell power right? Please tell me about your superior build that you probably copied from Deltia and how I totally would get pwn'd by your greatness.

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO Do whatever you want though. Btw, I would never use a Deltia build...though it looks like you might be.

murmur · April 2016

Vampire fear could be single target skill, that way it's not just copy of NB fear. You know, sneaky vamp revealing it's true horrific self to it's victim via dreadful gaze.

And blink ability could be for emergency escape, like Bolt Escape that would teleport you backwards. You might get out of trouble with it or not, but again it would not be straight copy of existing class skill.

As for third ability, I would like it to be some direct damage skill over a pet skill.

Valrien · April 2016

murmur wrote: »

Vampire fear could be single target skill, that way it's not just copy of NB fear. You know, sneaky vamp revealing it's true horrific self to it's victim via dreadful gaze.

And blink ability could be for emergency escape, like Bolt Escape that would teleport you backwards. You might get out of trouble with it or not, but again it would not be straight copy of existing class skill.

As for third ability, I would like it to be some direct damage skill over a pet skill.

Actually if you use Drain and animation cancel it the stun still stays. You basically already have the single-target fear effect if you were so inclined to use it.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · April 2016

Valrien wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I only use mist form, because bugged or not, it's the best skill I know of to absorb a meteor/proxidet/radiant oppression/vicious death Cyrodiil pupu platter of doom.

That said, how about 1 non ultimate DPS skill that isn't a channel? I don't care if it's just me throwing a dead bat at someone. Just 1, that's all.

I'm also in favor of adding 5k magicka at night and removing 5k health during the day.

Just block it. You take like barely any damage. Block abs dodge roll/streak/purify.

Not that simple. I have under 10k stamina. 2 dodge rolls and I can't block anything. For some builds that's totally true and works well for sure. When your a 64 point into magic, all infused light armor player blocking isn't nearly as effective. I also can't block while rapidly escaping a Zerg. Mist form allows me to do that. 1 on 1 you absolutely are right. 1 on 25, not so much. I like surviving long odds even as the glassiest of glass cannons. Mist form let's me do that.

Side note: I changed to a human 2 weeks ago to try. I was lost without it.

I don't find it an issue at all. With any of my magica toons.

Ice comet is a horrible ultimate unless you time it with other skills. Any semi competent player will negate/avoid it's damage.

And I find it to be a very effective skill that works for me. I've killed emperors with it before and plenty of other toons. What works for someone won't work for everyone else.

Steph Curry can't rebound that well and would be an awful center with his set up. Doesn't mean he is awful at basketball.

As for the assiest troll, please explain how awesome your build is and why it's so much better than mine. I really can't wait! I bet you got a lot of spell power right? Please tell me about your superior build that you probably copied from Deltia and how I totally would get pwn'd by your greatness.

Actually it's the fact that your build is apparently centered around stacking as much magicka as possible, yet you run 7 Light Armor which loses you 4% max magicka by not using 1 medium 1 heavy. All Infused is useless as you gain a very minuscule amount of magicka from it and something like 3 Infused, 4 Divines would be better statisitcally.

That is totally fair. I do not have the undaunted passives unlocked because I don't run dungeons barely ever. I apologize for my smarmy response.

Valrien · April 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I only use mist form, because bugged or not, it's the best skill I know of to absorb a meteor/proxidet/radiant oppression/vicious death Cyrodiil pupu platter of doom.

That said, how about 1 non ultimate DPS skill that isn't a channel? I don't care if it's just me throwing a dead bat at someone. Just 1, that's all.

I'm also in favor of adding 5k magicka at night and removing 5k health during the day.

Just block it. You take like barely any damage. Block abs dodge roll/streak/purify.

Not that simple. I have under 10k stamina. 2 dodge rolls and I can't block anything. For some builds that's totally true and works well for sure. When your a 64 point into magic, all infused light armor player blocking isn't nearly as effective. I also can't block while rapidly escaping a Zerg. Mist form allows me to do that. 1 on 1 you absolutely are right. 1 on 25, not so much. I like surviving long odds even as the glassiest of glass cannons. Mist form let's me do that.

Side note: I changed to a human 2 weeks ago to try. I was lost without it.

I don't find it an issue at all. With any of my magica toons.

Ice comet is a horrible ultimate unless you time it with other skills. Any semi competent player will negate/avoid it's damage.

And I find it to be a very effective skill that works for me. I've killed emperors with it before and plenty of other toons. What works for someone won't work for everyone else.

Steph Curry can't rebound that well and would be an awful center with his set up. Doesn't mean he is awful at basketball.

As for the assiest troll, please explain how awesome your build is and why it's so much better than mine. I really can't wait! I bet you got a lot of spell power right? Please tell me about your superior build that you probably copied from Deltia and how I totally would get pwn'd by your greatness.

Actually it's the fact that your build is apparently centered around stacking as much magicka as possible, yet you run 7 Light Armor which loses you 4% max magicka by not using 1 medium 1 heavy. All Infused is useless as you gain a very minuscule amount of magicka from it and something like 3 Infused, 4 Divines would be better statisitcally.

That is totally fair. I do not have the undaunted passives unlocked because I don't run dungeons barely ever. I apologize for my smarmy response.

It's not all you :P I imagine I could have been a bit more civil by just PM'ing you what I think is wrong with your setup and offering ways to improve it.

Sometimes we just all get in a pissy mood.

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2016

Making all gap closer teleportation power will cripple Teleport Strike it's only leg up is that ignores terrain once you can do that with the other gap closers Teleport Strike will be useless The CC or Power buff that other gap closers get is just fair better then the 500~ more damage Ambush does its all about CC.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

A gap closer could be fun and in line with vampire lore, but for the game balance it may be problematic. And as a lot of people says, it will look very close to the NB's one.
Instead of a gap closer, a grab may be fun. We aren't bloodfiend without any identity, most of us are more or less master vampire, who bring their food to them directly.

A fear is a very good idea. But not an aoe no-targetted fear like NB's one. Drain apply a "fear" like effect, but drain is also garbage in nearly every situation : channel, poor damage, laughable heal, only the control is good with timed abilities (meteor/swarm, dots, proxy det…). Make drain better, boost the damage and/or heal (one morph for each?), apply a zone fear if the target die while being drained, and you'll have your good fear without any copy.

The pet is a very good idea. A pet like shadow image or inferno, or even a pet like Sorc's one, but with a permanent effect when summoned, a timer and no need to have it in two bar. It's lore friendly, not a real copy, good for hunt leader and necropotence set, and can be really good in a dps, healer or tank rotation, depending of the pet's ability.

I would like a stamina morph for mist form, and a great boost of damage for poisoned mist.

And last but not least, I WANT a ice attack for vampire. Why not a self centered dot aoe, an ice aura ? It also can have a poison stamina morph.
Ice, for a lot of vampires, is a natural element. Poison too, for some vampires. Both of them are pretty rare in ESO, so it's even better to add them. And it will give nord a tiny boost to their passive :troll:

Though nb gap closer doenst have a minimal range and can be spammed... If this new skill would have some kind of limitations, its possible to make it balanced.
Also, disadvantages of being a vamp could be adjusted accordingly to reflect versatility buff.

Thevampirenight · April 2016

I think they could make the game a classless system, but they would have to change the attributes system in order to balance everything.
They would have to make it five or six attributes. '
Strength, willpower, intelligence, agility,health.
Strength increases weapons damage and stamina abilty damage, agility increases stamina regen and stamina
willpower improves magicka damage, and intelligence increases magicka regen and magicka, Health improves health regen and health.

They would have to do this in order to balance the game.
The attributes system is the main reason why they fail at balancing. They need to change it so it can be balanced.

7788b14_ESO · April 2016

GW2 has a potion that changes you into a flock of bats, it stays like that til you turn it off, it's just cosmetic but I would love that here.

I would also like a quest line to turn Vamps and WWs into hybrids.

How about if vamps looked normal when not in sunlight?

7788b14_ESO · April 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

No fear for vamps please. Don't need an extra no aiming, no target, group cc.

Also no need for a gap closer. Unless you're a sorc, you already have a gap closer.

One of the nice things about being a Vamp is also being a Sorcerer or Night blade.

chaserstorm16909 · April 2016

I fear that the only changes they make will be to slightly reduce the effects that dawn breaker and camo hunter have on us. They may not add to or alter the skill line at all.

AshTal · April 2016

My view Oh God NO -- I remember in PvP where everyone had to be a Vampire to have any chance. Every battle was filled with bat swarms being spammed over and over as the ultimate responded quicker than the bat swarm ended. I never want to go back to the stage where everyone must be a vampire to compete.

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Making all gap closer teleportation power will cripple Teleport Strike it's only leg up is that ignores terrain once you can do that with the other gap closers Teleport Strike will be useless The CC or Power buff that other gap closers get is just fair better then the 500~ more damage Ambush does its all about CC.

Except for the fact that skills like Focused Charge have NEVER worked properly, and Teleport Strike has always worked. Ambush also does more than CC, but setting that aside any balance that would need doing they can do. I'm more interested in having the skills work as intended. There's a reason I quit using Focused Charge, and it is because I grew tired of it locking me out or simply quasi-firing off, or taking the magicka and not actually going anywhere. None of those options is acceptable.

emily3989 · April 2016

nevermind

Thevampirenight · April 2016

From what I understand they are improving vampires with the dark brotherhood update and I assume they will balance out fighters guild skills but I assume they are going to nerf the effects they have on vampire players.
So the skills do more damage to npcs then they do to players.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

From what I understand they are improving vampires with the dark brotherhood update and I assume they will balance out fighters guild skills but I assume they are going to nerf the effects they have on vampire players.
So the skills do more damage to npcs then they do to players.

Imo would be nice to give vamps more interesting features and versatility, but with some kind of disadvantages to prevent vampirism for being must have for any player.
Just to provide alternate playstyle for vampires.

Thevampirenight · April 2016

People just like their

aoe to much, and lol I think they still have people using bat swarm in cyrodill. Just because of the area of effect I think. They use prox and vd because they want to target more then one person I think. Not sure but yeah people like to zerg up and yeah its still going to happen, they will use prox or vd or aoe, because thats how they roll.

nine9six · April 2016

ZOS said they're re-working toppling charge to be more like a teleport since the game has issues with pathing to your target.

Maybe then, if it works, Templars will have a gap closer. I rage every time I *try* to gap close someone only to have him bug-out and go nowhere. So many have gotten away...

With that said, again, I'd love the Vamp gap closer.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

nine9six wrote: »

ZOS said they're re-working toppling charge to be more like a teleport since the game has issues with pathing to your target.

Maybe then, if it works, Templars will have a gap closer. I rage every time I *try* to gap close someone only to have him bug-out and go nowhere. So many have gotten away...

With that said, again, I'd love the Vamp gap closer.

Dk chains are also buggy btw.
Sometimes I try to chain some mob and my char is only twitching without casting anything.

nine9six · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

ZOS said they're re-working toppling charge to be more like a teleport since the game has issues with pathing to your target.

Maybe then, if it works, Templars will have a gap closer. I rage every time I *try* to gap close someone only to have him bug-out and go nowhere. So many have gotten away...

With that said, again, I'd love the Vamp gap closer.

Dk chains are also buggy btw.
Sometimes I try to chain some mob and my char is only twitching without casting anything.

Yes, I've heard. At least there's no skill lock-out like on Toppling Charge, I guess?

hehe, shame we have to "look on the bright side" over skills not working...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Making all gap closer teleportation power will cripple Teleport Strike it's only leg up is that ignores terrain once you can do that with the other gap closers Teleport Strike will be useless The CC or Power buff that other gap closers get is just fair better then the 500~ more damage Ambush does its all about CC.

Except for the fact that skills like Focused Charge have NEVER worked properly, and Teleport Strike has always worked. Ambush also does more than CC, but setting that aside any balance that would need doing they can do. I'm more interested in having the skills work as intended. There's a reason I quit using Focused Charge, and it is because I grew tired of it locking me out or simply quasi-firing off, or taking the magicka and not actually going anywhere. None of those options is acceptable.

You must be new cause for the first year all Nightblade powers were broken or the tool tip was completely wrong. Now I have new problem if this teleport was for Templars only whatever it take to fix that bug two years later is okay but one for Vampires and changing weapons to teleports hell no.

I'm talking on non class gap closer like a stun that longer based on distance and the other dealing more damage based on distance that always crits. Let's review Ambush the buff to your next attack was changed to 20% from 36%. The stun was changed to NPCs only it has a root but all gap closers have that.

If I can teleport to my target with an instant cast that either deals more damage from range and crits 100% of the time, have a knock down stun that's longer from range or the one that deals a little more damage. All ignoring terrain, this will kill a class gap closer.

phreatophile · April 2016

Gap Closer: frankly, this is a lore friendly cosmetic option since every class has access to a gap closer if they pick up a 2 handed weapon; adding another one with a vampy animation is a great idea, I really don't see any logic to the argument against it.

Stage Timer Change: This is a quality of life change pure and simple. The current stage timers are much too fast. The current timers would require us to have a hummingbird's metabolic rate. More to the point, a vampire that fed that often would either be caught or would depopulate the continent in a short time. I really wish the stages had something going for them besides cosmetics and cost reduction. I think fire damage and fighter's guild damage should scale up by stage along with regeneration rates. That way, in stage 4 you are looking at a real trade off for the reduced cost and better regen.

Cosmetic Changes: There has to be and should have been all along some way for player vampires to look mortal. The words of our creator (lore) demand it. Logic demands it, since we are in a world wide war against the progenitor of all types of vampires. Player Character Vampires are clearly undead at all times and stages, this would logically require that we never have any social interaction in the game world outside of other vampires and criminal elements, because we would be attacked on sight in every other context. This was OK in Morrowind but not in an MMO. I don't care how it's done. A skin, a costume, a change to stage 1 appearance, an illusion spell, a toggle would all work. My ideal is a spell, skin, or costume that gives the illusion of mortality but that illusion breaks in combat.

Fear/charm: I can see the argument against there being another NB fear in the game, that skill is kinda cheese and this is coming from a nightblade. I'd like there to be a charm ability that permits us to feed without having to kill the target. I'd be comfortable with a skill that reduces threat level or outright forces the target to attack something else, in PVP it could be some sort of debuff since another hard CC isn't really desirable. I guess if it caused a targeted single victim to cower in fear rather than run and it was cc breakable it might be OK. Another Idea: give each Fighter's guild ability slotted a 15% chance to have the Vampire fear skill fail.

Pets: Yes, please. I think a wolf initially, with the morphs being a Volkihar style Deathhound that does higher damage and snares and a bloodfiend that does moderate damage and heals the caster for some amount.

Fangs/emotes: Should be part of a finished product where vampires are concerned, they didn't forget to give werewolves claws or tails or a roar animation did they?

Finish the dang skill line: Currently there are not any skills in the Vampire skill line that are worth slotting even for the 10% regeneration buff. This needs to be changed in the Dark Brotherhood update. Mist is useless, drain serves no purpose besides being the go to leveling skill until we get Swarm, and swarm... well even at stage 4 there are better, cheaper ultimates. The slotting requirement needs to go or we need to void our weaknesses if no vampire skill is slotted. I have to be vulnerable to fighters guild abilities at all times and fire at all times but I have to slot one of only three skills that's been nerfed into the ground to get a lousy 10% regen passive, ridiculous. Please finish the skill line.

One last
That feed animation: By the 8, that looks terrible. Let us actually bite our victims, this silly garden hose from nowhere thing has got to go. It's lazy, sloppy, and kind of perverse. The volume alone would be fatal. Where is it actually coming from since the victim is unharmed when we're done with our blood shower?

Blackbird71 · April 2016

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Just cured my Vamp but will be looking for a bite if the revamping is worth it.

That pun deserves the loudest of groans.

Thevampirenight · April 2016

I would like to see vampires look more like this!

PS4_ZeColmeia · April 2016

Not to detract from your thoughts, I like your cosmetics suggestions, but I think this is more supportive of the current iteration of vamps that also adds some play style flavor.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/251627/idea-on-fixing-vampires#latest

Prabooo · April 2016

PLEASE ZENIMAX ! LET ME BE ALUCARD! I would pay any amount of crowns, you name the price.

MornaBaine · April 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

PLEASE ZENIMAX ! LET ME BE ALUCARD! I would pay any amount of crowns, you name the price.

Hopefully that's sarcasm. Most of us want lore appropriate vampires. We also want them to be more fun to play and more visually appealing than they currently are.