@JKorr
you see, this is exactly the reason i wish to push this issue, it gives those of us who are only in campaigns a chance to let those who want to pvp fill up their campaigns, and gives those of us who only wish is to utilize the pvp instance of cyrodiil a chance to do so without feeding the disgusting habit ((in my mind)) known as ganking

@anitajoneb17_ESO
no, it wouldnt, there are people who enjoy pvpve, there are people that enjoy pvp, there are people who enjoy pve
it wouldnt dry up, there would be people who enjoy the thrill of pve in pvp areas, but people like me simply do not, and that is keeping me from purchasing IC, keeping ZOS from getting money, and im certian, CERTIAN, there are many more just like myself who feel the same

babylon wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

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We already have decided to move on, as this constant nitpicking is going nowhere. If you want to discuss something other than definitions then go ahead, but let's not continue this line.

Okay:

Samadhi wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

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The main point to keep in mind however, is opening up areas to include more people rather than less people, would only be a positive move for the game. So a PVE version of IC and a PVE version of Cyrodiil would be welcomed as more people could then get to use those areas and explore, and quest.

Could really get behind a sentiment like that, if it went both ways (such as completing the PvP Justice system and adding the PvE Enforcer content as well).
Otherwise, would prefer ZOS just sticks to giving us new zones rather than rehashing old ones.

The good part about Cyrodiil and IC is that they are already open to PvE players.

Samadhi wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

snip

We already have decided to move on, as this constant nitpicking is going nowhere. If you want to discuss something other than definitions then go ahead, but let's not continue this line.

Okay:

Samadhi wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

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The main point to keep in mind however, is opening up areas to include more people rather than less people, would only be a positive move for the game. So a PVE version of IC and a PVE version of Cyrodiil would be welcomed as more people could then get to use those areas and explore, and quest.

Could really get behind a sentiment like that, if it went both ways (such as completing the PvP Justice system and adding the PvE Enforcer content as well).
Otherwise, would prefer ZOS just sticks to giving us new zones rather than rehashing old ones.

The good part about Cyrodiil and IC is that they are already open to PvE players.

it may be 'open' but it still forces them into pvp, or pvpve or whatever you wish to call it, and pve'ers like myself simply do not enjoy either, and once again, it is keeping me from spending money on the IC dlc

a fully pve instance of cyrodiil and IC would earn far more money than it would spend setting up

if you want a pvp megaserver, i want a pve megaserver. many mmo's seperate their player bases like this, its nothing new. and i would support such a division

babylon wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

snip

We already have decided to move on, as this constant nitpicking is going nowhere. If you want to discuss something other than definitions then go ahead, but let's not continue this line.

Samadhi wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

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The main point to keep in mind however, is opening up areas to include more people rather than less people, would only be a positive move for the game. So a PVE version of IC and a PVE version of Cyrodiil would be welcomed as more people could then get to use those areas and explore, and quest.

Could really get behind a sentiment like that, if it went both ways (such as completing the PvP Justice system and adding the PvE Enforcer content as well).
Otherwise, would prefer ZOS just sticks to giving us new zones rather than rehashing old ones.

The good part about Cyrodiil and IC is that they are already open to PvE players.

Well I wouldn't say that Cyrodii or IC is open to all players in terms of playstyle preference. Many will never go there (or only go there under great duress, hating the whole thing and possibly being very stressed, just to get the skillpoints or skills).

Anyway if you read my post above (probably got lost in the posting frenzy) you'd see I am pro adding both PVE versions and PVP version of all areas, to give us all the kind of game we want to play.

Here I'll quote it so you can read -

babylon wrote: »

Ideally all areas could have two versions, same way quest instances are phased yet appear the same (but with mobs that are suddenly friendly instead of hostile, and so on).

The PVE players could have PVE IC and PVE Cyrodiil, as well as being able to group up with any faction in the open world, and the PVP players could have a PVP version of all open world areas, with PVE areas and PVP areas being phased and separate.

Could have a tickbox where we choose to only be in the PVE or the PVP phased areas - automatically being put there when zoning/teleporting/leaving dungeons and delves and other submaps, and also have the option to have it so we choose each time we zone/teleport to a wayshrine/etc. Letting the people choose in other words.

That would make everybody happy in my opinion.We could all have what we wanted.

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ive never been there, ever, i simply dont want the headache, i do want to go, but only to enjoy walking through the city again, i dont want to have to constantly look over my shoulder while enjoying the coldharborized city

babylon wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I understand that some people dislike it : 95% of the game is theirs. Just avoid Cyrodiil.

And with that - you're walling the area off. What harm would there be to do the reverse and open the areas up to even more players, while allowing them the playstyle they actually enjoy?

PVE versions of IC and Cyrodiil, all factions able to group anywhere in the open world, and on the other end PVP versions of all areas.

And this all with giving the option to people to choose which version of each map they want to play in.

What happens to PvPvE in your version of things ?

NobleNerd wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

I want PvP in all zones, because it works GREAT in Black Desert and gives more immersion and more importance to the guild

I havent heard many good things about BDO. Also the world pvp doesnt just mean BDO is some massive PK fest. There are very very severe penalties for killing people who dont wish to fight.

The Karma system is being revamped soon, but there should be penalties for PKing players that don't wish to participate. The PvP Justice System could have offered the same thing & left it to the players to control it.

I have played BDO since launch with members of my guild that became frustrated with how ESO was developing or the lack of it. There is very little negative I would say about the MMO.... it is freaking awesome!

Its a completely different game tho. No questing in BDO for example. I play BDO too but I realize that game and ESO are two completely different things. Its apples to oranges.

Fact: ZOS has said the pvp portion of the justice system has been scrapped.
Fact: ZOS has stated PVP will stay in PVP areas and PVE will stay in the rest of the game.

So bottom line. No open world pvp. No turning cyrodill into a PVE zone. Same with IC. Dont expect any more PVE/PVP zones either. They learned from IC. Finally a company who pays attention.

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

if you want a pvp megaserver, i want a pve megaserver. many mmo's seperate their player bases like this, its nothing new. and i would support such a division

That would be the ideal, but ZOS would never double back on the megaserver concept and give it to us.

Personally choose the PvP server when the option is available, even with no intention to PvP in a game.
Have simply found the crowd to be better -- Used to do pure PvE servers, but I have had a lot of encounters with overgrind/mob stealing, economic warfare, troll pulls (people pulling mobs into AoE range then going invisible so I pull aggro and die), and hate tells while soloing world bosses.
Ganking happens on PvP servers, but that is about the extent of it. Pure PvP players have their drama between themselves, but it never spills over to me and my PvE. Quite pleasant in comparison.

ESO pure PvE zones are not quite as bad as other games, but if the whole of my ESO experience could be changed to be more like that of Cyrodiil, it would be quite pleasant.

Pipe dream though.

C'est la vie.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

I don't understand how a PVP free instance of Cyrodiil and IC would impact all other campaigns.

Obviously you're not the only one. Let's put it simply :

As it is, PvE and PvP are mixed into what is the exact purpose of Cyrodiil and what it's designed for : PvPvE.
If there is one PvP-free instance, all PvE will be done there, PvP campaigns will be 100% PvP, PvPvE is nowhere to be found and the whole design is wasted (and wrong). It would make the PvE map boring (it was not designed for pure PvE) and the PvP maps meh (besides the keeps, none of Cyrodiil was designed for that either).

Got it ?

Frankly, noone needs one more 100% PvE map when 95% of the game is 100% PvE already.

So you're saying that the people who want pvp would give up on PvPvE and go to the NO PVP instance to do the quests and shards? So they aren't that into PvP? The players who enjoy everything the way it is now wouldn't even notice an instance that doesn't have what they want. People who want the thrill and excitement of getting killed while questing would not be forced into the NO PVP instance.

It is *your opinion* that the PvE map would be boring. I, myself, personally, would find it totally enthralling. I would finally get a chance to actually see and play through the map. I've been to Cyrodiil a few times, in a slightly less than "horde" mob, to pick up skyshards on a couple of my characters. I wouldn't know much about the map or anything since we go for the shards, in a group, and move to the next shard. No exploring or roaming due to the ever so polite, civil, and courteous pvp'ers in the areas. Please note, sarcasm was intended in that description. My personal meetings with pvp players have been anything but the above. When you are part of a group, going off on your own to explore isn't a nice thing to do. And the group usually isn't interested in waiting while you go pick flowers, mushrooms and dig up ore.

I don't *need* another PvE map. But it sure would be nice to have one that, to me, would be new. I've never seen the large majority of Cyrodiil. Probably won't ever manage it because *I* personally don't enjoy getting killed constantly by other players when I'm exploring or gathering mats. Besides getting their jollies killing my character who doesn't fight back and never attacks, I don't understand the "fun" aspect for them. Getting killed by the critters, eh, its like Craglorn. [I would totally spend money in the crown store for Craglorn specific Kill'em DEAD Wasp Spray.] Having to deal with players who will go out of their way to kill me, no, thank you.

Samadhi wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

if you want a pvp megaserver, i want a pve megaserver. many mmo's seperate their player bases like this, its nothing new. and i would support such a division

That would be the ideal, but ZOS would never double back on the megaserver concept and give it to us.

Personally choose the PvP server when the option is available, even with no intention to PvP in a game.
Have simply found the crowd to be better -- Used to do pure PvE servers, but I have had a lot of encounters with overgrind/mob stealing, economic warfare, troll pulls (people pulling mobs into AoE range then going invisible so I pull aggro and die), and hate tells while soloing world bosses.
Ganking happens on PvP servers, but that is about the extent of it. Pure PvP players have their drama between themselves, but it never spills over to me and my PvE. Quite pleasant in comparison.

ESO pure PvE zones are not quite as bad as other games, but if the whole of my ESO experience could be changed to be more like that of Cyrodiil, it would be quite pleasant.

Pipe dream though.

C'est la vie.

i have had the opposite experience, i have found the pvp crowd on pvp servers to be overly abnoxious and just genrally a bully attitude, unable to preceed anywhere, even low level areas, unmolested

as such i always pick the pve servers, thats not to say i dont play the occassional 'match' just that i prefer all overworld pve with no pvp

i usually find a kind guild or group of players in pve to help me through things, and occasionally a active kind roleplay crowd, something i have never found in pvp oriented games or servers, where i get killed, 'teabaged' and called a newb with no attempt on their side to tell me were to improve

5:40 in your video sums up some of my feelings on this just fine. No real need to go into further detail. I'm glad they dropped what would have been a terrible idea.

babylon wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@babylon : no, in my opinion and experience, that's not what would happen

Huh? What would not happen? Of course in PVP zones PVP would happen, as well as the PVE (to get skillpoints as normal), really not sure what you're thinking there.

That's because you don't WANT to understand.
PvP would be completely separated from PvE, PvPvE wouldn't exist anymore.

No I think the issue is you don't read what I write?

I said there would be a PVP map and a PVE map of all areas. Now in the PVP map there would still be everything that used to be there before. so quests and mobs and whatnot still exist. Trade still exists. But now people can also kill each other - it would be like IC - a place you claim to enjoy.

And the only change for PVE players is they can now PVE only in IC and Cyrodiil.

Again, all being choices - players go to the kind of map they prefer, the map that gives them their preferred playstyle.

I'm not going to argue deafly like that ad vitam aeternam.
There's no PvPvE possible in your vision of things.
"PvE" doesn't mean "mobs", it also mean "people doing PvE" there. That's required in PvPvE. They would all be in PvE instance. PvPvE would not exist anymore.

I for example would be forced to go to keeps to find people to fight. Keeps are designed for zergs / large groups. I hate that kind of PvP. I want PvPvE.

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

if you want a pvp megaserver, i want a pve megaserver. many mmo's seperate their player bases like this, its nothing new. and i would support such a division

That would be the ideal, but ZOS would never double back on the megaserver concept and give it to us.

Personally choose the PvP server when the option is available, even with no intention to PvP in a game.
Have simply found the crowd to be better -- Used to do pure PvE servers, but I have had a lot of encounters with overgrind/mob stealing, economic warfare, troll pulls (people pulling mobs into AoE range then going invisible so I pull aggro and die), and hate tells while soloing world bosses.
Ganking happens on PvP servers, but that is about the extent of it. Pure PvP players have their drama between themselves, but it never spills over to me and my PvE. Quite pleasant in comparison.

ESO pure PvE zones are not quite as bad as other games, but if the whole of my ESO experience could be changed to be more like that of Cyrodiil, it would be quite pleasant.

Pipe dream though.

C'est la vie.

i have had the opposite experience, i have found the pvp crowd on pvp servers to be overly abnoxious and just genrally a bully attitude, unable to preceed anywhere, even low level areas, unmolested

as such i always pick the pve servers, thats not to say i dont play the occassional 'match' just that i prefer all overworld pve with no pvp

i usually find a kind guild or group of players in pve to help me through things, and occasionally a active kind roleplay crowd, something i have never found in pvp oriented games or servers, where i get killed, 'teabaged' and called a newb with no attempt on their side to tell me were to improve

Maybe bolded/italicized is the difference here.
Have never been able to find decent guilds on PvE servers,
and always ended up somehow making the "elites" mad enough to the point that they harassed me via game mechnics and hate speech.
Reporting them, particularly if it was a game where the reports ended in a ban, only served to *** off all their friends rather than solve the issue.

In contrast, PvP servers I was always able to find a good guild quickly,
and if a ganker bothered me more than once or twice, the guilds would hunt him or her down while I grinded in peace.
Eventually got more used to defending myself, and here in ESO I have not even needed (or bothered with) a PvP guild.